Web Campaign: The Pacific War

[Spitfirex250]

As far as I can see you can only get 1.750 of these tokens, says so on the portal aswell. Whats the point of these containers for premium ships if you cant even get the tokens required beyond the T2-4 container?

[Fesvil]

6 minutes ago, Spitfirex250 said:

As far as I can see you can only get 1.750 of these tokens, says so on the portal aswell. Whats the point of these containers for premium ships if you cant even get the tokens required beyond the T2-4 container?

Really, ? You don't get it? To make money, where you can (albeit a slim chance) get Missouri and other schtuff... you get 1750 for "FREE", but I suppose everyone wants everything for free.. Jeeze..

 

-Fes

[Spitfirex250]

19 hours ago, Fesvil said:

Really, ? You don't get it? To make money, where you can (albeit a slim chance) get Missouri and other schtuff... you get 1750 for "FREE", but I suppose everyone wants everything for free.. Jeeze..

 

-Fes

Dude I did the math just now. So you need 10,750 tokens to get all the containers (T2-4, T5, T6 and T8). Deduct 1750 for the free missions. You still need 9000. You get 500 per container. Thats 18 containers. Each container is 1500 dubloons. So times 18 its 27000 dubs. 27000 dubs is 88 euro.
Almost 90 Euro for your chance of getting a random T8. Might be a worthless one. Actually looking at the ones listed most of them are crap. And the good ones I mostly already have or are interestingly excluded.
And the containers are linked so YOU NEED the previous one to get the next one.

[Spitfirex250]

Also Id like to add that if you were to buy a T5, T6 and T8 that would come to around 80 aswell.
ITS MORE EXPENSIVE. Than if you were to buy the ships you ACTUALLY want. Instead of it being random and praying on a blue moon you get the ships you want.
Unbelieveable.

[Crysantos]

34 minutes ago, Spitfirex250 said:

As far as I can see you can only get 1.750 of these tokens, says so on the portal aswell. Whats the point of these containers for premium ships if you cant even get the tokens required beyond the T2-4 container?

You can get the Tokens also in Random bundles for the Missouri, so you can get the Missouri + special signals + Tokens in there. If you already own all ships that the container can drop, you will get doubloon compensation.

 

21 minutes ago, Spitfirex250 said:

Dude I did the math just now. So you need 10,750 tokens to get all the containers (T2-4, T5, T6 and T8). Deduct 1750 for the free missions. You still need 9000. You get 500 per container. Thats 18 containers. Each container is 1500 dubloons. So times 18 its 27000 dubs. 27000 dubs is 88 euro.
Almost 90 Euro for your chance of getting a random T8. Might be a worthless one. Actually looking at the ones listed most of them are crap. And the good ones I mostly already have or are interestingly excluded.
And the containers are linked so YOU NEED the previous one to get the next one.
What a [edited]scam.

It's an added reward. If you want to get specific ships you can buy them directly in the Armory. If you just want to get the Missouri without anything extra, you can finish the web campaign (with very easy missions) and buy it directly for cash or contact our customer support to deduct the doubloons from your account in exchange for the ship.

 

Have a nice week,

 

Crysantos

[Spitfirex250]

45 minutes ago, Spitfirex250 said:

Almost 90 Euro for your chance of getting a random T8. Might be a worthless one. Actually looking at the ones listed most of them are crap. And the good ones I mostly already have or are interestingly excluded.

Going through this. To the best my knowledge. Might be wrong on some of this but.
In the bundle there is:
Gascogne: Not that good
Le Terrible: Very similar to the Tech tree T8. Meh
Graf zep: Have to see after the buff gets implemented. Worst T8 CV right now
Tirpitz: Pretty bad
Prinz: A slightly better Hipper, thats not saying much.
Roma: One of the worst T8s. Tbh I personally have her and love her. But her guns are a nightmare
Kaga: Really good. Probably one of the best of the T8s
Kii: Just an amagi with slightly better AA (Lmao) and meme torps
Atago: Really good.
Irian: pretty meh.
Lo yang: pretty good.
Vanguard: pretty bad, one of the worst T8 prems
Cossack: amazing DD
Saipan: Second worst of the T8 CVs
Indominable: No clue tbh. But only has Bombers if im not wrong so super boring. And not alot of them so you can quickly be innefective.
Alabama: Why? If the massa exists why would you ever want this one?
Wichita: pretty meh cruiser
Kidd: Amazing DD
Bayard: Good DPM, kinda like the Colbert.
Chesire: really meh
Mainz: Pretty fun cruiser
Orkan: Lighting with radar asfar as I know. So pretty great
OChakov: no idea tbh
Pyotr: no idea either
Champagne: Pretty good but sit at the back sniper. So boring
Z35: Not sure but I think it was pretty bad
Siliwangi: Trash

Noticably absent from this list: Massachussets, Enterprise, Kutuzov, Belfast 43, Flandre, Borodino, Lenin, Asashio, Harekaze...
Now im no proponent of OP premiums by any means. I would be all for nerfing some of these. Especially the ones that are just better than their T8 tech tree counter part. But honestly if they are in the game why are they suspiciously absent from this list?

[Spitfirex250]

17 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

You can get the Tokens also in Random bundles for the Missouri, so you can get the Missouri + special signals + Tokens in there. If you already own all ships that the container can drop, you will get doubloon compensation.

 

It's an added reward. If you want to get specific ships you can buy them directly in the Armory. If you just want to get the Missouri without anything extra, you can finish the web campaign (with very easy missions) and buy it directly for cash or contact our customer support to deduct the doubloons from your account in exchange for the ship.

 

Have a nice week,

 

Crysantos

You are telling me that some signals and some camos and the small chance of getting the missouri or the dubs in my case. I already have it. Got it right before it was removed, for free xp.
Is supposed to counter the fact you are spending more money on random premiums ships. Most of which arent even any good.
For an event that is supposed to celebrating the end of the war and missouri's return to the game?
Does this honestly sound fair? And the fact you cant even say. What if I just my deduction on the T8 for example. Ill grind the 1750 tokens and then pay for the 3250. So like I get discount on a T8 or T7 or T6 or T5. But no I have spend more than half on it to get a T2 or T4 and theres only 2 T4s btw. So how am I not supposed to interpret this as a scam. Everything points to it. Please explain your reasoning.
Everything is set up like it in my eyes.

 

[Crysantos]

8 minutes ago, Spitfirex250 said:

You are telling me that some signals and some camos and the small chance of getting the missouri or the dubs in my case. I already have it. Got it right before it was removed, for free xp.
Is supposed to counter the fact you are spending more money on random premiums ships.
For an event that is supposed to celebrating the end of the war and missouri's return to the game?
Does this honestly sound fair? And the fact you cant even say. What if I just my deduction on the T8 for example. Ill grind the 1750 tokens and then pay for the 3250. So like I get discount on a T8 or T7 or T6 or T5. But no I have spend more than half on it to get a T2 or T4 and theres only 2 T4s btw. So how am I not supposed to interpret this as a scam. Everything points to it. Please explain your reasoning.
Everything is set up like it in my eyes.

It's a matter of perspective - if you already have the Missouri, then you can get the doubloon compensation for that ship. I don't think many players would be interested in participating in a campaign dedicated to the USS Missouri if they wouldn't want to get it. But in any case you know what rewards will be there if you finish the campaign or purchase the bundles. The consecutive bundles are one of the rewards you can claim for the tokens, otherwise you can pick commanders or credits are rewards. The choice is up to you - you can buy her directly, you can unlock her through random bundles or you can skip her.

 

Also you do get a free Tier II-IV premium ship or one of the commanders - just for playing the game.

 

Edit: These ships you listed were removed from sale and are only part of special containers (e.g. Santa containers) - this has been the case before and is the case right now as well.

 

I hope I could clarify this for you. Enjoy your Monday,

 

Crysantos

[Spitfirex250]

 

8 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

It's a matter of perspective - if you already have the Missouri, then you can get the doubloon compensation for that ship. I don't think many players would be interested in participating in a campaign dedicated to the USS Missouri if they wouldn't want to get it. But in any case you know what rewards will be there if you finish the campaign or purchase the bundles. The consecutive bundles are one of the rewards you can claim for the tokens, otherwise you can pick commanders or credits are rewards. The choice is up to you - you can buy her directly, you can unlock her through random bundles or you can skip her.

 

Also you do get a free Tier II-IV premium ship or one of the commanders - just for playing the game. 

 

I hope I could clarify this for you. Enjoy your Monday,

 

Crysantos

My friend...
Are you aware of T2-4 game as is? No you arent because nobody plays it. Why dont they play it? Because there is absolutely 0 reason to.
I mean what is with all the campaigns that come with every ship line recently is the focus entirely on skiping as many ships as possible? Do I even need to go into the balance and existance of certain premiums.
Every campaign you dont even have to try to get atleast a T5 in the line.
This is supposed to be some kind of reward? A ship you arent going to play? Or do you really want some like me. A 63% average win rate player clubbing seals at T2-4?

If there even are any more. Havent played low tiers in forever. But given you guys seem to think campaigns to reward (Sorry, paying people) people for getting new players is financially viable says everything I think.

[Crysantos]

2 minutes ago, Spitfirex250 said:

 

My friend...
Are you aware of T2-4 game as is? No you arent because nobody plays it. Why dont they play it? Because there is absolutely 0 reason to.
I mean what is with all the campaigns that come with every ship line recently is the focus entirely on skiping as many ships as possible? Do I even need to go into the balance and existance of certain premiums.
Every campaign you dont even have to try to get atleast a T5 in the line.
This is supposed to be some kind of reward? A ship you arent going to play? Or do you really want some like me. A 63% average win rate player clubbing seals at T2-4?

If there even are any more. Havent played low tiers in forever. But given you guys seem to think campaigns to reward people for getting new players is financially viable says everything I think.

We provide early access - which is a different form of progress faster in our game. This is a core principle of our game - free to play, pay to progress faster. This applies to premium time, economic boosters, etc. The EA provides both for free (e.g. the last EA for Dutch cruisers gave you Tier IV-VII for free + a nice skin for Tier VIII) and as paid options you could get the Tier VIII - IX. A lot of our players are focused on higher Tiers and that's normal but we still do produce content for lower Tiers and most tech tree branches feature low Tier ships (and usually many historical ones)

 

We do have existing low Tier premium ships and they existed for a long time. We don't try to incentivize playing on lower Tiers too much, most missions and activities aim at Tier V+ but you can always go back and have a round of low Tier fun if that floats your boat. We also have special MM rules, a new player won't encounter an experienced player like me until he reaches a certain milestone in the game, so he has some time to learn the basics before interacting with more experienced players.

 

As I've said, if you don't want to get the Tier II-IV container, pick a commander of your choice. If you don't want use consecutive bundles, you can decide to invest the doubloons somewhere else in the game or nowhere. It's your choice and you have full control. You also know exactly what's in the random bundles, in the campaign and in the rewards. We'll be happy to pass along your feedback but this is the first time we used this Tier II-IV container and we'll see how our players interact with this campaign in the game.

 

Greetings, Crysantos

[Spitfirex250]

9 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

We provide early access - which is a different form of progress faster in our game. This is a core principle of our game - free to play, pay to progress faster. This applies to premium time, economic boosters, etc. The EA provides both for free (e.g. the last EA for Dutch cruisers gave you Tier IV-VII for free + a nice skin for Tier VIII) and as paid options you could get the Tier VIII - IX. A lot of our players are focused on higher Tiers and that's normal but we still do produce content for lower Tiers and most tech tree branches feature low Tier ships (and usually many historical ones)

 

We do have existing low Tier premium ships and they existed for a long time. We don't try to incentivize playing on lower Tiers too much, most missions and activities aim at Tier V+ but you can always go back and have a round of low Tier fun if that floats your boat. We also have special MM rules, a new player won't encounter an experienced player like me until he reaches a certain milestone in the game, so he has some time to learn the basics before interacting with more experienced players. 

  

As I've said, if you don't want to get the Tier II-IV container, pick a commander of your choice. If you don't want use consecutive bundles, you can decide to invest the doubloons somewhere else in the game or nowhere. It's your choice and you have full control. You also know exactly what's in the random bundles, in the campaign and in the rewards. We'll be happy to pass along your feedback but this is the first time we used this Tier II-IV container and we'll see how our players interact with this campaign in the game. 

 

Greetings, Crysantos

With any other game, I would be glad to sending my feedback further. But given your guys track record on that I would say you dont need to bother. Then again this is about money being spent so maybe somebody will listen. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Call me a bluff old traditionalist, but a reward/special event campaign is supposed to mean certain things are cheaper. Not more expensive.
You ever notice steam summer/winter sales? You notice how things are cheaper than normal? Also how bundles arent random so you know what you are spending your money on?

[Spitfirex250]

How about having some premium ships listed for the tokens and using the tokens you earn to discount them and buying the rest of the tokens so you actually get a discount and are able to decide what you are spending your money on? Is this really to much to ask in the Year Of Our Lord 2021?

[Spitfirex250]

29 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

We provide early access - which is a different form of progress faster in our game. This is a core principle of our game - free to play, pay to progress faster. This applies to premium time, economic boosters, etc. The EA provides both for free (e.g. the last EA for Dutch cruisers gave you Tier IV-VII for free + a nice skin for Tier VIII) and as paid options you could get the Tier VIII - IX. A lot of our players are focused on higher Tiers and that's normal but we still do produce content for lower Tiers and most tech tree branches feature low Tier ships (and usually many historical ones)

 

We do have existing low Tier premium ships and they existed for a long time. We don't try to incentivize playing on lower Tiers too much, most missions and activities aim at Tier V+ but you can always go back and have a round of low Tier fun if that floats your boat. We also have special MM rules, a new player won't encounter an experienced player like me until he reaches a certain milestone in the game, so he has some time to learn the basics before interacting with more experienced players.

 

As I've said, if you don't want to get the Tier II-IV container, pick a commander of your choice. If you don't want use consecutive bundles, you can decide to invest the doubloons somewhere else in the game or nowhere. It's your choice and you have full control. You also know exactly what's in the random bundles, in the campaign and in the rewards. We'll be happy to pass along your feedback but this is the first time we used this Tier II-IV container and we'll see how our players interact with this campaign in the game.

 

Greetings, Crysantos

Oh I forgot something. Then please explain to me the point of including these containers in the first place? Hook people who cant do the basic math and figure out its not worth it?
And making them linked so they cant make it worth it? Why include this in the first place? What. Is. The. Point.

[Spitfirex250]

Another idea would be to make the number of containers you need to get the missouri to only 18. So if you bought those 18 containers you got the missouri guarenteed. Which as mentioned would be an insane 90 euro. But then you would also get all the tokens you need to get the extra containers. That would be an "added reward". You get the missouri for an insane price but atleast you get the ships with it.

1 hour ago, Crysantos said:

It's an added reward.

But now you have the option of gambling. And if you dont get it with those 18 containers you are screwed. Good luck buddy. Ive seen graphs of polls done on the community with the loot box events. If you dont get it in the first 5-10 you arent seeing it until you get the to the last ones. (which is 41). Even assuming its fair and its always the same chance there are still people who would be spending over 200 euro to get it.

 

[Jvd2000]

49 minutes ago, Spitfirex250 said:

Oh I forgot something. Then please explain to me the point of including these containers in the first place? Hook people who cant do the basic math and figure out its not worth it?
And making them linked so they cant make it worth it? Why include this in the first place? What. Is. The. Point.

The containers are not the reward. It’s a consolation prize for the players that decided to gamble for Missouri. No players should gamble just for these containers let alone continue gambling beyond getting Missouri ( or maybe when you are just a small number of tokens away from a next crate)  Any premium crate has less value  then the doubloons to get the required tokens. The most expensive ship of each tier is less then the doubloon cost required for the tokens. And even then value of the ship does not mean that you get an enjoyable ship. Big whales have the benefit that they get doubloons back for each crate unlocked making the actual cost lower. I got Mo at crate 21 and still made 5 k profit plus a load of flags and camo’s. Benefit of being a whale. Just cold calculation on my side and crate 21 is about halfway so not extremely lucky or unlucky. 
 

But players are themselves responsible for being able to do the maths..if you can use a creditcard you take the responsibility.

 

So the premium ships are only a small  compensation for the players that gamble for Missouri but are in bad luck and get a lot of tokens in return. Atleast you receive an extra rng container with a random premium. Which can be bad, meh or even good.You still lose, but Its just to make you feel less bad and continue spending hoping that Missouri is really in the next container…

 

I do not agree with the uselessness  of the free T2/T4 container. There are only a limited number of them and many ships have been given  for free or are still free for ingame currency. You collect these ships not for using them but to have your pool completed so  you can get the compensation doubloon value of 2k the next time it’s rewarded. And a 10 pnt captain can be usefull for some players. So that first true free to grind container is nice to get.

[Spitfirex250]

19 minutes ago, Jvd2000 said:

The containers are not the reward. It’s a consolation prize for the players that decided to gamble for Missouri. No players should gamble just for these containers let alone continue gambling beyond getting Missouri ( or maybe when you are just a small number of tokens away from a next crate)  Any premium crate has less value  then the doubloons to get the required tokens. The most expensive ship of each tier is less then the doubloon cost required for the tokens. And even then value of the ship does not mean that you get an enjoyable ship. Big whales have the benefit that they get doubloons back for each crate unlocked making the actual cost lower. I got Mo at crate 21 and still made 5 k profit plus a load of flags and camo’s. Benefit of being a whale. Just cold calculation on my side and crate 21 is about halfway so not extremely lucky or unlucky. 
 

But players are themselves responsible for being able to do the maths..if you can use a creditcard you take the responsibility.

 

So the premium ships are only a small  compensation for the players that gamble for Missouri but are in bad luck and get a lot of tokens in return. Atleast you receive an extra rng container with a random premium. Which can be bad, meh or even good.You still lose, but Its just to make you feel less bad and continue spending hoping that Missouri is really in the next container…

 

I do not agree with the uselessness  of the free T2/T4 container. There are only a limited number of them and many ships have been given  for free or are still free for ingame currency. You collect these ships not for using them but to have your pool completed so  you can get the compensation doubloon value of 2k the next time it’s rewarded. And a 10 pnt captain can be usefull for some players. So that first true free to grind container is nice to get.

I like your cold cynical take on this, especially the "Its not a reward its a consolation prize" but Mr. Crysantos has assured us over and over again that this is indeed an added reward. Its matter perspective you see...
The fact that you might spend over 200 euro and overpay for both the missouri and the premiums if you have bad luck and no sense of financial responsibility doesnt seem at all exploitative to WarGaming...
 

[SnipingCat]

2 hours ago, Spitfirex250 said:

Going through this. To the best my knowledge. Might be wrong on some of this but.
In the bundle there is:
Gascogne: Not that good
Le Terrible: Very similar to the Tech tree T8. Meh
Graf zep: Have to see after the buff gets implemented. Worst T8 CV right now
Tirpitz: Pretty bad
Prinz: A slightly better Hipper, thats not saying much.
Roma: One of the worst T8s. Tbh I personally have her and love her. But her guns are a nightmare
Kaga: Really good. Probably one of the best of the T8s
Kii: Just an amagi with slightly better AA (Lmao) and meme torps
Atago: Really good.
Irian: pretty meh.
Lo yang: pretty good.
Vanguard: pretty bad, one of the worst T8 prems
Cossack: amazing DD
Saipan: Second worst of the T8 CVs
Indominable: No clue tbh. But only has Bombers if im not wrong so super boring. And not alot of them so you can quickly be innefective.
Alabama: Why? If the massa exists why would you ever want this one?
Wichita: pretty meh cruiser
Kidd: Amazing DD
Bayard: Good DPM, kinda like the Colbert.
Chesire: really meh
Mainz: Pretty fun cruiser
Orkan: Lighting with radar asfar as I know. So pretty great
OChakov: no idea tbh
Pyotr: no idea either
Champagne: Pretty good but sit at the back sniper. So boring
Z35: Not sure but I think it was pretty bad
Siliwangi: Trash

Noticably absent from this list: Massachussets, Enterprise, Kutuzov, Belfast 43, Flandre, Borodino, Lenin, Asashio, Harekaze...
Now im no proponent of OP premiums by any means. I would be all for nerfing some of these. Especially the ones that are just better than their T8 tech tree counter part. But honestly if they are in the game why are they suspiciously absent from this list?

Índomitable is by far the worst tier 8 CV. Way worse than both Saipan and Zeppelin imo

[WWDragon]

5 hours ago, Crysantos said:

 We don't try to incentivize playing on lower Tiers too much, most missions and activities aim at Tier V+ but you can always go back and have a round of low Tier fun if that floats your boat.

 

No, you (WG) try to DISCOURAGE playing lower tiers and we can guess why. That lead to the lower tier premiums being useless because they provide no advancement on the game, this leads to that Tier II-IV being useless because that is what it is.

 

I am not even going to bother with the ridiculous notion we should pay more for a random choice ship because that is what are the sequential bundles, I am not taking part of this. ESPECIALLY since I long wisen up to when WG doesnt full disclose the missions they have some nasty surprise up their leave ... I bet the last one is going to require Ranked or Random only and have the usual absurd requirements.

[Carramber1]

@Crysantos

On a specific note, the first picture in the coral sea campaign says its USS Lexington on fire. But its not, its IJN Shoho, getting struck by a bomb. Sorry for being a bit nerdy.

[Crysantos]

11 hours ago, WWDragon said:

No, you (WG) try to DISCOURAGE playing lower tiers and we can guess why. That lead to the lower tier premiums being useless because they provide no advancement on the game, this leads to that Tier II-IV being useless because that is what it is.

 

I am not even going to bother with the ridiculous notion we should pay more for a random choice ship because that is what are the sequential bundles, I am not taking part of this. ESPECIALLY since I long wisen up to when WG doesnt full disclose the missions they have some nasty surprise up their leave ... I bet the last one is going to require Ranked or Random only and have the usual absurd requirements.

We don't reward it extra but we don't block you from playing these Tiers - and not everything in a game is about rewards. If you want to have fun on lower Tiers, go do it. I do it every once in a while as well but our main focus for experienced players is definitely on Tier V and above. All of the missions of the campaign are set up in a similar way and are doable in Coop - whether you trust me with that info is up to you.

 

2 hours ago, Carramber1 said:

@Crysantos

On a specific note, the first picture in the coral sea campaign says its USS Lexington on fire. But its not, its IJN Shoho, getting struck by a bomb. Sorry for being a bit nerdy.

Thanks, I'll pass it along. Never be sorry for being a bit nerdy

 

17 hours ago, Spitfirex250 said:

How about having some premium ships listed for the tokens and using the tokens you earn to discount them and buying the rest of the tokens so you actually get a discount and are able to decide what you are spending your money on? Is this really to much to ask in the Year Of Our Lord 2021?

We can consider this for future offers - this campaign is quite unique in several aspects and we'll of course analyze feedback and how players interacted with all of the aspects of this event for the future.

 

Have a nice day,

 

Crysantos

[WascallyWabbit]

22 hours ago, Crysantos said:

Hi,

 

There are many things we can do but we're of course fully aware of the limitations of our systems. We wanted to offer the option to purchase the Missouri for money or doubloons after finishing the thematic campaign after the initial feedback for the planned sale. There is a technical limitation for our Armory that we can't add this condition to the availability in there right now, so we have to use the customer support ticket solution for now - otherwise we would have to cancel that option entirely.

 

When it comes to bug fixes it depends on the difficulty to track down a bug, find the issue and then apply a fix. There are bugs that are easy to fix, some require significantly more time depending on what aspects of the game they touch. I hope we get to explain the background of this a bit more in depth in the future. Right now the fix for curving torps is being tested on PT and should be implemented with the 0.10.8 Update.

 

We work as a global team and this campaign is the same globally, no matter which server you are playing on.

 

Hi,

 

Please don't spread this kind of misinformation. There will be many players who can verify that they didn't get this in the last bundle - it's randomized. Some get it earlier, some get it later. For the Santa containers we made a big mistake by not including the info we shared in previous years about the mechanic of the containers and we offered full refunds for this. We also addressed the technical aspects for the limitation of sales in the Armory. We're straight up about the coupon - yes we don't want this to be used with the coupon, same as with ships in the featured tab during that period of time.

 

Have a good start into this week :)

 

Crysantos

 

I don't believe it's misinformation. I base my post on the 3 years i have been buying the xmas crates for a start. Feel FREE to use my name and look up my main account, see how those xmas crates dropped and then come back and tell me they didn't come out almost exclusively in tier order the last 2 years, i have the crate drop recordings on YOUTUBE, which i'll gladly share with you after you look and show me how my crate drops went according to your data to see if our numbers match up. They were not completely random, also the last 2 years you have put the ships behind a mechanic forcing players to buy 1 or 2 packs just to clear out a junk list of ships with ZERO chance at a random drop and claimed you simply forgot to tell us that. That's a dispicable rip off and makes a mockery of your "RANDOM" claims. The internet especially the last 2 Xmas's is full of video's showing the crates dropping almost exclusively in tier order. You may feel they are random but must be stacking the percentages so that lowest tier is almost guaranteed to drop first. Feel free to debunk my thoughts by publishing the percentages you apply to each tier. As you refuse to publish those drop percentages i cannot 100% say they are rigged nor can you tell me they are not rigged. We can only go by what we see. But out of 20 ships dropped 2 years ago only 1 came out of tier sequence and that was a solitary T8 within a group of 5x T9 's in the last 6 crates. I have maxed out my main account the last 3 years using Xmas crates so have a good personal idea how these crates appear to be dropping and also watch dozens of other players opening crates. Again i believe year one "WAS" a random drop but years 2 and 3 the rigging appeared.

 

Same applies to the USS Misery bundles, as you won't publish figures all we can go by is your word (which for many these days is seen as worthless), and the drop rates we see on YOUTUBE ( i'm disregarding claims elsewhere as that doesn't actually show where they dropped just a claim ) and as you are aware they are mostly coming in the later half of the drop, except one streamer who did indeed drop the ship on his 2nd or 3rd pull. From what iv seen on the dozens i have watched it appears you are looking to recoup on average around 30-35,000 worth of doubloons. Again you won't publish figures so all we can do as a community is make our own minds up based on what we see happening. I personally don't believe the technical issue, My nephew works for Electronic Arts and play's WoT and WoW's though he has also stopped spending anything, given the claim of technical issues but no substance or info as to what that issue is and given the number of developers and programmers WG have he sees no reason that any "technical issue" couldn't be over come within a short period of time.

 

I have no real issue with gambling mechanic's, and like the concept of the xmas crates and event's overall i just think from what i have personally experienced and seen your not running a fair game, and are rigging the crates in the houses favour. I don't think anyone would have an issue if you ran a fair game and the results were 100% random.

 

Lastly the 25% off voucher, why didn't you just say straight up on day one the 25% discount voucher wouldn't be applied because you didn't want it too. You know, honesty? Instead of just ignoring the issue, people accept those types of things. EG " AS Missouri is such an iconic ship and newly introduced to the armoury via a special event no discount voucher will be applied". We know WG needs to make a profit but the underhand way you go about doing that is a massive reason you are seen as rivals to BLIZZARD and ACTIVISION as the world's worst gaming company. 

[Fesvil]

22 hours ago, Jvd2000 said:

The containers are not the reward. It’s a consolation prize for the players that decided to gamble for Missouri. No players should gamble just for these containers let alone continue gambling beyond getting Missouri ( or maybe when you are just a small number of tokens away from a next crate)  Any premium crate has less value  then the doubloons to get the required tokens. The most expensive ship of each tier is less then the doubloon cost required for the tokens. And even then value of the ship does not mean that you get an enjoyable ship. Big whales have the benefit that they get doubloons back for each crate unlocked making the actual cost lower. I got Mo at crate 21 and still made 5 k profit plus a load of flags and camo’s. Benefit of being a whale. Just cold calculation on my side and crate 21 is about halfway so not extremely lucky or unlucky. 
 

But players are themselves responsible for being able to do the maths..if you can use a creditcard you take the responsibility.

 

So the premium ships are only a small  compensation for the players that gamble for Missouri but are in bad luck and get a lot of tokens in return. Atleast you receive an extra rng container with a random premium. Which can be bad, meh or even good.You still lose, but Its just to make you feel less bad and continue spending hoping that Missouri is really in the next container…

 

I do not agree with the uselessness  of the free T2/T4 container. There are only a limited number of them and many ships have been given  for free or are still free for ingame currency. You collect these ships not for using them but to have your pool completed so  you can get the compensation doubloon value of 2k the next time it’s rewarded. And a 10 pnt captain can be usefull for some players. So that first true free to grind container is nice to get.

Finally someone with some overview.  Thanks!

 

22 hours ago, Spitfirex250 said:

Oh I forgot something. Then please explain to me the point of including these containers in the first place? Hook people who cant do the basic math and figure out its not worth it?
And making them linked so they cant make it worth it? Why include this in the first place? What. Is. The. Point.

What do you mean not worth it? For you? Fine, For me? It was worth it.. For @Jvd2000 it was.. 

And lastly, I think I have written this before in this thread, if you do not think it's worth it, you actually have a choice. You can decide to buy or you can decide not to. If you buy for the random containers I suppose ... well.. I don't want to go there, but if so then I wholeheartedly agree with your problems, and don't understand your WR.

 

-Fes, the resignated

[300ConfirmedKills]

What is the meaning of this? The pictured browser window is over 2000 px across.

[Benser33]

4 hours ago, 300ConfirmedKills said:

What is the meaning of this? The pictured browser window is over 2000 px across.

Mobile screen resolution and browser viewport resolution are not the same thing. Mobile devices have a CSS pixel ratio or alternatively named parameter that often reduces the size of the browser viewport for display on the screen.

 

What size do you get if you check https://whatismyviewport.com/ ? I suspect the width will be less than 1100px
 

[YabbaCoe]

15 hours ago, 300ConfirmedKills said:

What is the meaning of this? The pictured browser window is over 2000 px across.

Unfortunately this map doesn't work on mobile devices.