Web Campaign: The Pacific War

[TWNWA]

1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

This is how it is, unfortunately. I am not lying to you about this situation.

Then you shouldn't waste time trying to explain something unexplainable, mate! 

"This" situation... Who made it "asap"?

I bet whatever it wasn't us, your playerbase!

WG could've waited till mid-September (when the anniversary actually is, right?) to have time to solve her "technical issue"... 

Have a nice weekend! 

[Asatori]

Seems to me that the EU team is worried about hitting their revenue targets. Don't think that after the multiple crap storms WG actually lowered the revenue targets for the Mighty Mo gambling edition. So better make sure to push the sheeple into buying loot boxes! 

[YabbaCoe]

1 minute ago, TWNWA said:

Then you shouldn't waste time trying to explain something unexplainable, mate! 

"This" situation... Who made it "asap"?

I bet whatever it wasn't us, your playerbase!

WG could've waited till mid-September (when the anniversary actually is, right?) to have time to solve her "technical issue"... 

Have a nice weekend! 

The campaign was planned to be in this update for several months. There were stuff being prepared for this for some quite time and we couldn't just move the date how we wanted.

We made that "asap". First information provided was that it will be only in Random Bundles. So all those works on this campaign were calculating with this.

But after plenty discussions between CMs and other representatives, it was decided to offer an option of direct purchase, so that Random bundles wouldn't be the only option how to get Missouri. Those discussions were made after releasing patchnotes, so while the stuff was already finalized and ready. That is why this "asap" correcting wasn't as smoth, as it wasn't planned before. The situation is not really ideal, but still it kinda serves the reason, as now the option to be able to purchase Missouri for base price was added to this campaign.

[TWNWA]

50 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

The campaign was planned to be in this update for several months.

I understand your willing to answer all the questions here, but endlessly repeating the same explanation won't make it clearer. What can you do if we, all wood-head stubborns, don't like WG's methods lately? 

Does WG know that making things in a hurry, usually don't gets good results? 

[Ashmodiel]

4 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

But unfortunately there were technical difficulties during preparing and trying to implement this stuff really asap.

 

One would think that the company that designed the game and the entire sales system would be able to do something in a matter of days while fighting a dumpster fire. Especially since the players themselves have suggested at least a few different ways to get around these "technical problems".

 

But of course I understand, the "technical problems" explanation is true. It is so true that it automatically explains why you need so much time to fix bugs e.g. related to torpedoes.

 

Srsly...

[WWDragon]

There are no "technical issues", ships been added directly to the Armory temporary before.

 

The explanation doesnt fly because we arent dumb, they never planned for the ship to be added to the Armory and only put it on the Premium store in a attempt to calm the flames and I am not the one that said it, it was WG itself ... you cannot say at the same time that Missouri was added to the Premium store for a limited time and also say this event was planned  a long time ago. Only one can be true ... not both because they contradict each other.

 

Also when first announced said the ship would be available for Doubloons, was that also a "communication problem"? They know damn well what that means and reason why it was put that was so people wouldnt know it would be available on containers and random bundles, if this is such a great event for the players then why the details were only announced in the very day it started, obviously because they knew damn well the overwhelming negative reaction to another "give us all your money" scheme.

 

And of course they wont admit it, YabbaCoe is only trying to make people to run the campaign, not because its fun or interesting (its just even more F combat missions when we already have Shipyard and a Dutch Special Commander directives running at the same time) but because if people dont spend money on the game, they have to spend time and also because if they have to go to the Armory they will be looking at a advertisement to buy the bundles, thats what the campaign is all about ... its a way for people to look at a advertisement.

 

Of course its his job but that doesnt change that fact, CMs are not "one of us" ... they are employees of the company, their job is to make the community to follow whatever scheme the company had cooked up, to put out fires the community started and to gaslight the community into the company narrative.

 

[Wicket_Boomber]

7 hours ago, Hanse77SWE said:

First of all: I don't have a horse in this race since the Mo has been in my port since the day she was released.

 

But I had som talks with my clan and with some guys in a match and no one I spoke to is interested in this.

 

Reasons:

* Too expensive.

* Ship not worth it.

* Already have it.

 

The whole thing is so over complicated so after trying to read the "rules" I had to go and lie down. I'm not upset about the money. I'm appalled by the execution.

Hejsan Hanse , how are you feeling about  owning Missouri those days ? do she still have massive earning buff ? , I see that you have 68 battles on her , I would ask how she compare to Musashi , but i see you have just played 1 battle on her ? ,  I ask cause I consider to spend cash on her , but I do have Musashi and 1934 battles on her , and is solid credit earner for me , even Benham that I have 548 battles on her is good earned with premium account average battle on those ships bring nice profit , like 400k is no issue , better game 800k is standard , with +20% signal , but when I run with gamescom + 50% signal I had games that I earned much more that 1mil , on Musashi bit over 1.9 mil , 1.5 mil on Benham but I must admit that Benham have bit better earning bonus .

So my question what are weak, average , good earnings on Missouri without signals , & full loaded with economic signals ? 

 

 

[snow01]

nice job art department x)

 

[WascallyWabbit]

12 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

If that would be the true, that only reason is, that we don't want players to use the coupon, we would just add her to "Featured" part, like other ships before, as this coupon works only in Ships part.

But as I mentioned, the plan was to "unlock the possibilty to purchase" after finishing the campaign, which would appear only to those, who would finish the campaign. But unfortunately there were technical difficulties during preparing and trying to implement this stuff really asap. Sometimes simply doesn't go as planned, especially when you have plenty other things to do at the same time.

This is how it is, unfortunately. I am not lying to you about this situation.

 

I think maybe your overlords are lying to you, from what i understand it's not a difficult thing to implement, also there was no mention of difficulties implementing anything until Wargambling was called out on the "issue" And alligations of the 25% voucher were voiced, only then did a technical issue arise. Also if the issue was a real issue why have Wargambling not offered the ability to use the vouchers when you apply to support to have the USN Misery credited to your account? Surely if they have the ability to manually add the Misery to players accounts and the ability to deduct 19,500 doubloons from the account then surely they can also manually apply the 25% discount at the same time.....And yet this option has not been offered has it, or is there another technical issue preventing the application of the 25% discount?

 

Surely you can see how feeble and transparent the excuses are? How unbelievable people see the excuses when even after everything the simple inclusion of the 25% voucher when manually crediting the ship and deducting doubloons is still prohibited. Why then Yabba is the inclusion of the voucher not offered? Unless of course it's by design simply to deny the 25% discount voucher being used. Which is kind of sad.

 

I think WG have brought this level of disbelieve in anything they do upon themselves with their past history of broken promises and out right lies. 

 

You have an unenviable task, to field and deflect well deserved criticism away from WG. They place you in an often undefendable position to be shot at, i think you personally have a damn good try at performing your job well despite them blundering from disaster to disaster. For that you deserve some credit.

 

I also have no horse in this race, having the USN Missouri already on my main i don't need to jump through the hoops and paywalls erected to get the substandard USN Misery in my port. I do however think it's an outright scam by WG as usual and needs to be called out as such.

[gabberworld]

1 hour ago, WascallyWabbit said:

I think maybe your overlords are lying to you, from what i understand it's not a difficult thing to implement

 

of-course its not difficult, its just they try first pump money from people with this different method where they can get the 61500 doubloons

but im not sure also why they would want add this rare ship to regular T9 selling, do-sent his rare ship value drop then?

[TWNWA]

4 hours ago, gabberworld said:

of-course its not difficult, its just they try first pump money from people with this different method where they can get the 61500 doubloons

but im not sure also why they would want add this rare ship to regular T9 selling, do-sent his rare ship value drop then?

However, here's a question (that WG don't know / want to answer) : What is the value of a "rare" ship? 

[FidelisRaven]

Just no. This used to be one of my favorite games and I had no problem with swinging my credit card every now and then, but since like a month ago I don't feel good when I even think about playing this game anymore. 

[TWNWA]

2 minutes ago, FidelisRaven said:

I don't feel good when I even think about playing this game anymore.

Well, playing the game is a so - so issue, we hope it won't get any worse. Spending money on it definitely is an issue, but after all, it's anyone's own business what burning his revenues on. 

[Jvd2000]

The event itself is ok. You can rather easily play it without grinding too much. It’s more then it’s an additional grind next to other ongoing events then the harshness of the grind itself. Lol 7 fires and 2 frags for first mission with JPN ships. Three or 4 coop games? 
 

The rewards themselves are decent compared with the very easy grind. Some silver, camo and flags. Then the choice of a T2/T4 random premium or a 12 pnt captain or more silver.  Based that such containers in the end will give you 2k doubloons a good time to start farming those low premium ships. Some can be bought for coal. Some can be bought extremely cheap. We will be seeing them more often so start collecting. You don’t take them to play much but for collection reasons so that you can earn yourself free doubloons in the future.

 

Ignore the Missouri thing and just focus on the freebies of this event and you will be fine..

[MaxxyNL]

Time gated events are only done by WG, to increase the chance for them, that we, the Community, just go for the paid/gamble option...

 

 

[ZebedeeBoss]

I just don't get why people have to be so damn rude in this forum. 

[Formul]

Imagine giving people 500 tokens per stage. But then *gasp* we would be able to get a tier 2 AND a tier 5 premium ship for free or TWO whole non-special commanders - and we can't have that. This is pathethic.

[Wicket_Boomber]

3 hours ago, MaxxyNL said:

Time gated events are only done by WG, to increase the chance for them, that we, the Community, just go for the paid/gamble option...

 

 

Awesome animation :)

[WascallyWabbit]

On 8/28/2021 at 9:05 AM, zebedeeboss said:

I just don't get why people have to be so damn rude in this forum. 

Because it's the only place to voice opinions and frustrations, even though WG simply don't give a crap about those opinions, in fact it's a given that unless the S***storm approaches epic proportions our voices never make it off these pages. But still it helps sometimes to express those opinions to someplace other than your PC monitor even when in reality it's like peeing into the wind of storm IDA currently raging through the USA. 

[Aragathor]

Save for some lag in the armory I have no issue with the Web campaign, it's a nice interactive way to engage players. And the missions aren't hard.

 No comment on the Missouri RNG bundles. Not wasting my doubloons on that.

 

But what really bugs me is the fact that the one flag I had hoped to get is not part of the event. The Battle of the Vella Gulf flag, which is visible in the Captain's Log.

@YabbaCoe would you be so kind and check if that flag was ever offered on EU? Thanks.

[ZebedeeBoss]

10 hours ago, WascallyWabbit said:

Because it's the only place to voice opinions and frustrations, even though WG simply don't give a crap about those opinions, in fact it's a given that unless the S***storm approaches epic proportions our voices never make it off these pages. But still it helps sometimes to express those opinions to someplace other than your PC monitor even when in reality it's like peeing into the wind of storm IDA currently raging through the USA. 

I get that, I really do. I just don't think it is necessary to tell someone to "shove it up your A..." to get your point across.

[YabbaCoe]

19 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Save for some lag in the armory I have no issue with the Web campaign, it's a nice interactive way to engage players. And the missions aren't hard.

 No comment on the Missouri RNG bundles. Not wasting my doubloons on that.

 

But what really bugs me is the fact that the one flag I had hoped to get is not part of the event. The Battle of the Vella Gulf flag, which is visible in the Captain's Log.

@YabbaCoe would you be so kind and check if that flag was ever offered on EU? Thanks.

That is a very old flag. I will try to ask and investigate about that.

[WascallyWabbit]

On 8/27/2021 at 6:19 AM, CaptainTjr said:

What will the compensation be for getting Missouri out of the bundles if you already have it?

Only way you will get USS Misery from the bundles will be in the last bundle, don't forget how they rigged Xmas crates, the algorithm shows you the first bundle, checks your account to see what ships you have and adds the second bundle, when you pull the second bundle it's checks the 3rd. It already knows each roll that you already have the Missouri. That's how they rigged the crates so you got almost all the ships in xmas crates in tier order, T5/6/7/8/9. I have stopped spending anything with WG but last 3 years on my main i have maxed out the xmas lists every year.

 

To give WG a tiny bit of credit in year one i believe the crate drop was not only a good idea but pretty much close to a real random drop chance. However as with most of what WG do they figured out how they could milk more cash by rigging the crates to drop the high value items almost always last.

Year 2 of the Xmas drops, i required around 20 ships on the list, every single one except 1 came in tier order, i made several posts here on the forum. They dropped 5/6/7/8/9 with the only exception being a tier 9 before the last tier 8 dropped. Thats 1 single ship of 20 dropped outside of tier order.

 

Moving on to this Xmas it was finally confirmed WG rigged the crates. luckily i only needed 6 ship's on the list as i had used dockyard, grind events, twitch, KoT's and prime to pick up ships for FREE during the year. And for the first time ever i got lucky in xmas events and FREE crates and dropped 3 yes 3 ships in december (first time i ever dropped a ships from FREE crates or FREE event crates). The last 3 i picked up using doubs in the armoury. The point i am making here is in the last 2 years the rigging of crates has become standard practice with the algorithm checking your account each role in advance to see what ships you have and so sort the bundles in order of value or importance.

 

That's why i believe you will be at the very end or close to the end before you drop a duplicate USS Misery. YOU are in fact the whale WG has targeted to get the most money from by placing USS Misery towards the end.

 

Don't do it m8, Wargambling crates and bundles are about as fair as the hooplar or coconut shy at the fairground. 

 

PS. I have no issue with the campaign, it's short, historical and engaging, nor do i have an issue with only unlocking the USS Misery after doing the short campaign. Only issues are the rigged bundles, the "technical issue" that stops you using the 25% off voucher even when applying to support to have the USS Misery credited manually to your account.

[Fesvil]

2 minutes ago, WascallyWabbit said:

Only way you will get USS Misery from the bundles will be in the last bundle, don't forget how they rigged Xmas crates, the algorithm shows you the first bundle, checks your account to see what ships you have and adds the second bundle, when you pull the second bundle it's checks the 3rd. It already knows each roll that you already have the Missouri. That's how they rigged the crates so you got almost all the ships in xmas crates in tier order, T5/6/7/8/9. I have stopped spending anything with WG but last 3 years on my main i have maxed out the xmas lists every year.

 

To give WG a tiny bit of credit in year one i believe the crate drop was not only a good idea but pretty much close to a real random drop chance. However as with most of what WG do they figured out how they could milk more cash by rigging the crates to drop the high value items almost always last.

Year 2 of the Xmas drops, i required around 20 ships on the list, every single one except 1 came in tier order, i made several posts here on the forum. They dropped 5/6/7/8/9 with the only exception being a tier 9 before the last tier 8 dropped. Thats 1 single ship of 20 dropped outside of tier order.

 

Moving on to this Xmas it was finally confirmed WG rigged the crates. luckily i only needed 6 ship's on the list as i had used dockyard, grind events, twitch, KoT's and prime to pick up ships for FREE during the year. And for the first time ever i got lucky in xmas events and FREE crates and dropped 3 yes 3 ships in december (first time i ever dropped a ships from FREE crates or FREE event crates). The last 3 i picked up using doubs in the armoury. The point i am making here is in the last 2 years the rigging of crates has become standard practice with the algorithm checking your account each role in advance to see what ships you have and so sort the bundles in order of value or importance.

 

That's why i believe you will be at the very end or close to the end before you drop a duplicate USS Misery. YOU are in fact the whale WG has targeted to get the most money from by placing USS Misery towards the end.

 

Don't do it m8, Wargambling crates and bundles are about as fair as the hooplar or coconut shy at the fairground.

Wowsa.. Really?

 

Now this'll make me come across as a fanboy, I'm not, not by a mile. But please facts. Ok I had the Missouri, I love the dragon flags, I only missed a T2 premium so when I saw they lowered the requirements I bought dubs and went to town, got Missouri on 35th bundle. All in all it cost me 6k doubloons (as I got dubs in refund for all the ships + Missouri) that I had. Now I do love the flags and the camo is ok so, no hard feelings here for what I got for 6k doubloons. But do I think the chance of getting Missouri is equal to the others? No, doesn't seem like it. Did I expect it to be? Halfway, sort of wanted to believe it, but really don't. WG doesn't say anywhere that the chance is equal for all bundles, so, fair enough.

 

Last year at Christmas I had like 6-7 ships that I didn't have, I got the Makarov as the first one, then T9 and T8 and T7 (flint) came in a completely random order... Neustra came as boat 3 I think.. But were the chance equal for all ships? They didn't say, and I didn't think it was so I didn't feel cheated.

 

There was no confirmation (about the rigging of the crates), for that to exist there must be a significantly higher statistical basis than users entering their data in a google spreadsheet (video proof when drawing and so forth) and we need to know the ships in port, we need to know the number of containers bought (one and one, 5 bundle, 10 bundle  or 20 ) per draw and so forth. This statistical model is anything but simple, and proof was anorexic at best. And once again, WG never release the odds for what ship to be dropped, I do however wish they would, wouldn't cost them much me thinks. And it would appease the angry mob, somewhat (because we all know, complaining about something is AWESOME!)..

 

So, at the end, it's all up to you to gauge the value of these bundles and containers. If you do not need anything or most or some of what they can provide in addition to the coveted "first prize" then this should make you NOT to spend money on it. Like the LOGH:DNT containers.. All I want is coal from those, even the camos, cool, but for T8 tech tree boats, meh. Skipped. However once I did the math on the Missouri bundles it was a pretty simple choice as I had almost all the ships I could get in the containers and 19200 dubs for Missouri.. But I get those that think that's a bit too much to swallow. If you don't have a lot of doubloons laying about then you need to buy in order to get it, once again, maybe you have maybe you don't. Either way, these bundles were decent in my eyes.

 

Now to the biggest thing people complain about: not being able to outright buy Missouri. WG has stated that once you complete the campaign there will be a bundle in the store where you can buy it for 19200 doubloons, so people nagging that it's not available cannot be bothered to do some simple campaign, and you complain? I grinded 750k free exp, which back then took a LONG time and much effort. Yeah, free is sort of a wonky term when time spent for the grind is ignored, but it was anything BUT free for me. Now you don't get it for free, but I would have gladly used 19200 doubloons back then to get it instead of grinding free exp.

 

Finally, is Missouri worth it? NO! It's a mediocre boat that is overshadowed by it's tech tree equivalent, Iowa. Credits is better earnt playing T8 boat in T10 matches, especially with a Premium account and premium ship. But that's just a preference.

 

This is in no way a scandalous thing, I just wish they would chill on the loot boxes. And don't cut the payback on doubloons if you have the ship in port, but buy a bundle. I get why they do it, to limit doubloon payouts, but seriously it was the one thing that made me lower my spends in the game significantly.

 

Meh.

 

-Fes

[Crysantos]

On 8/27/2021 at 5:43 PM, Ashmodiel said:

 

One would think that the company that designed the game and the entire sales system would be able to do something in a matter of days while fighting a dumpster fire. Especially since the players themselves have suggested at least a few different ways to get around these "technical problems".

 

But of course I understand, the "technical problems" explanation is true. It is so true that it automatically explains why you need so much time to fix bugs e.g. related to torpedoes.

 

Srsly...

Hi,

 

There are many things we can do but we're of course fully aware of the limitations of our systems. We wanted to offer the option to purchase the Missouri for money or doubloons after finishing the thematic campaign after the initial feedback for the planned sale. There is a technical limitation for our Armory that we can't add this condition to the availability in there right now, so we have to use the customer support ticket solution for now - otherwise we would have to cancel that option entirely.

 

When it comes to bug fixes it depends on the difficulty to track down a bug, find the issue and then apply a fix. There are bugs that are easy to fix, some require significantly more time depending on what aspects of the game they touch. I hope we get to explain the background of this a bit more in depth in the future. Right now the fix for curving torps is being tested on PT and should be implemented with the 0.10.8 Update.

On 8/27/2021 at 3:27 PM, Asatori said:

Seems to me that the EU team is worried about hitting their revenue targets. Don't think that after the multiple crap storms WG actually lowered the revenue targets for the Mighty Mo gambling edition. So better make sure to push the sheeple into buying loot boxes! 

We work as a global team and this campaign is the same globally, no matter which server you are playing on.

3 hours ago, WascallyWabbit said:

Only way you will get USS Misery from the bundles will be in the last bundle, don't forget how they rigged Xmas crates, the algorithm shows you the first bundle, checks your account to see what ships you have and adds the second bundle, when you pull the second bundle it's checks the 3rd. It already knows each roll that you already have the Missouri. That's how they rigged the crates so you got almost all the ships in xmas crates in tier order, T5/6/7/8/9. I have stopped spending anything with WG but last 3 years on my main i have maxed out the xmas lists every year.

 

To give WG a tiny bit of credit in year one i believe the crate drop was not only a good idea but pretty much close to a real random drop chance. However as with most of what WG do they figured out how they could milk more cash by rigging the crates to drop the high value items almost always last.

Year 2 of the Xmas drops, i required around 20 ships on the list, every single one except 1 came in tier order, i made several posts here on the forum. They dropped 5/6/7/8/9 with the only exception being a tier 9 before the last tier 8 dropped. Thats 1 single ship of 20 dropped outside of tier order.

 

Moving on to this Xmas it was finally confirmed WG rigged the crates. luckily i only needed 6 ship's on the list as i had used dockyard, grind events, twitch, KoT's and prime to pick up ships for FREE during the year. And for the first time ever i got lucky in xmas events and FREE crates and dropped 3 yes 3 ships in december (first time i ever dropped a ships from FREE crates or FREE event crates). The last 3 i picked up using doubs in the armoury. The point i am making here is in the last 2 years the rigging of crates has become standard practice with the algorithm checking your account each role in advance to see what ships you have and so sort the bundles in order of value or importance.

 

That's why i believe you will be at the very end or close to the end before you drop a duplicate USS Misery. YOU are in fact the whale WG has targeted to get the most money from by placing USS Misery towards the end.

 

Don't do it m8, Wargambling crates and bundles are about as fair as the hooplar or coconut shy at the fairground. 

 

PS. I have no issue with the campaign, it's short, historical and engaging, nor do i have an issue with only unlocking the USS Misery after doing the short campaign. Only issues are the rigged bundles, the "technical issue" that stops you using the 25% off voucher even when applying to support to have the USS Misery credited manually to your account.

Hi,

 

Please don't spread this kind of misinformation. There will be many players who can verify that they didn't get this in the last bundle - it's randomized. Some get it earlier, some get it later. For the Santa containers we made a big mistake by not including the info we shared in previous years about the mechanic of the containers and we offered full refunds for this. We also addressed the technical aspects for the limitation of sales in the Armory. We're straight up about the coupon - yes we don't want this to be used with the coupon, same as with ships in the featured tab during that period of time.

 

Have a good start into this week :)

 

Crysantos