Web Campaign: The Pacific War

[WascallyWabbit]

1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

When you log in to the game, you have daily rewards, every single day. Also in Armory you can collect free rewards in Featured part and well, collect some Coal in Submarines bundles.

Also just by clicking to take the mission, you can only play to get yet another rewards and Pacific Tokens, which you can exchange for some rewards.

 

That is also a possibility, if you are not interested. But still, only few clicks in the campaign and you can easily collect that combat mission.

 

How come? You don't like the rewards? Or they style of this campaign? Or difficulty of the mission?

Thank you for your generous rewards?

Let's have a look how generous you are.

 

EG. Daily steel as you mention daily rewards. 20 steel per day for lets say 10 games per day, thats 200 in 10 days 2000 in 100 days and 20,0000 in 1000 days and 60,000 in 3000 days. So in around 9 years time with your generosity i can get myself an Ohio for a mere 15,000 games.

 

Yep i'm kinda blown away with your generosity. Of course i can grind game modes or simply wallet my way to steel but thought i'd base the calculation simply on the generosity you appear so proud of, lets recap.

 

Roughly 9 years, and 15,000 games logging in everyday to get an Ohio simply based on your "generosity"

[YabbaCoe]

1 hour ago, Glandolin said:

"We can't put the Mo in the Armory for dubloons"

*Puts the Mo in the Armory but in a yet another gambling mechanic.
Seriously, to guarantee a drop (buying all 41 spins of the wheel bundles) you need 61500 gold - that's about 200 EUR. You can stick that right up Lenin's chloroform filled butt.

Here, I'll fix this dumpster fire n. 8557645 for you:

Take contents of the "random" bundle, delete everything that's not the Mo, change the price to 19500. Bam, you have the Mo in the Armory. No need to put more obstructions in.
Wanna turn the dumpster fire into a PR win? Give players that finish the campaign a 5-10% discount on the Mo random bundle.

Honestly, Yabba, this is just another disaster by WarGambling, the less time you spend defending it, the more sanity you'll retain. The campaign is interesting (art department  = only good department), the rewards are underwhelming/meh but the fact that your bosses decided to tie all that to yet another gambling mechanic in a game advertised to 7 year olds is what's going to break any argument you try to make. 

As explained, from technical reasons we couldn't place Missouri to purchase for doubloons in the Armory, as additional purchase option after finishing the campaign.

This is what was announced and actually added to those purchase options. So the possibility to purchase Missouri is either through random bundles or after finishing the campaign, but not direcly in Armory. That was the technical difficulty we had.

This campaign is designed about entire Pacific War and rewards are actually tailored around that. You can gather Pacific Tokens and you can decide what to spend that on - premium ship containers, commanders etc. While there are some side rewards for completing the missions.

 

1 hour ago, arcticstorm123 said:

I was talking specifically about this Campaign, Submarines are not worth playing, the declining numbers being played should tell you that, just below par dd gameplay with no guns and worse spotting

 

The campaign is geared around trying to twist peoples arms to buy the random bundles, all this for a less capable Iowa and some 12 point captains

 

Really jumped the shark this time didn''t they?

As mentioned above, rewards are tailored around the entire Pacific Theatre and well, also the campaign has plenty historical photos and information.

Missions are easy to participate, as it is only enough to play those modes you like. And during that you can gather some of those rewards.

Also if you are not interested into any of those, it can be your choice not to participate, if you wish.

 

41 minutes ago, ApesTogetherStronK said:

 

Is that a serious question?

 

The style if fine, i would actually say its quite nice. Its the fact that this campaign is once again useless for anybody who does not want to play casino royale. 

 

Stop asking those questions, seriously 

Though we have option of random bundles there, there are still plenty interesting options what to do around this campaign. Have you took a look on the looks, articles, stories, photos, for example?

Still only by playing you can get some stuff, you have option to get premium ship containers, or some special commanders.

[WascallyWabbit]

2 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

As explained, from technical reasons we couldn't place Missouri to purchase for doubloons in the Armory, as additional purchase option after finishing the campaign.

This is what was announced and actually added to those purchase options. So the possibility to purchase Missouri is either through random bundles or after finishing the campaign, but not direcly in Armory. That was the technical difficulty we had.

This campaign is designed about entire Pacific War and rewards are actually tailored around that. You can gather Pacific Tokens and you can decide what to spend that on - premium ship containers, commanders etc. While there are some side rewards for completing the missions.

 

As mentioned above, rewards are tailored around the entire Pacific Theatre and well, also the campaign has plenty historical photos and information.

Missions are easy to participate, as it is only enough to play those modes you like. And during that you can gather some of those rewards.

Also if you are not interested into any of those, it can be your choice not to participate, if you wish.

 

Though we have option of random bundles there, there are still plenty interesting options what to do around this campaign. Have you took a look on the looks, articles, stories, photos, for example?

Still only by playing you can get some stuff, you have option to get premium ship containers, or some special commanders.

Rubbish...then explain the technical reason. Put it out there to be scrutinised from tech savvy players, what the issue is because it's pretty clear the only issue is if you put the Missouri straight in the armoury then players who have a voucher can get 25% off. So you manufacture a "technical issue" so players have to pay the full price and have it done through support. NO ONE and i mean NO ONE is buying your technical issue excuse. You simply don't want players using the 25% off voucher.

 

You can say "technical issue" till your blue in the face if you want but until you show the community what that issue was no one is buying what you are shovelling.

[WWDragon]

8 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

As mentioned above, rewards are tailored around the entire Pacific Theatre and well, also the campaign has plenty historical photos and information.

 Ah yes, the great Soviet Naval victories in the Pacific ... that was none last time I checked due to only declaring war to Japan after Hiroshima as they scrabbled to take as much they could before Japan surrendered or the archipelago was turned into a smoking crater.

 

And yes, I could say the same about the other commanders except they arent there, there is no Italian commander or German that is funny considering the Monsun Gruppe as well the less known operations of the Regia Marina in the region ... how curious ...

 

Yes, yes ... very tailored with many historical photos and information ... yes, yes ...

 

Come on ...

[Glandolin]

1 minute ago, YabbaCoe said:

As explained, from technical reasons we couldn't place Missouri to purchase for doubloons in the Armory, as additional purchase option after finishing the campaign.

This is what was announced and actually added to those purchase options. So the possibility to purchase Missouri is either through random bundles or after finishing the campaign, but not direcly in Armory. That was the technical difficulty we had.

Ah, so you double down on the dumpster fire. Ok, so you're just repeating the bs that we got told originally to justify enforcing gambling mechanics in a PEGI 7 game by the cockroaches in St. Petersburg. You're trying very hard to make it seem like the feedback/discussion has to be about the whole campaign etc, but we're all pointing out the same hypocrisy. Distance the campaign from the Mo disaster.

Fact: Even if you really couldn't place the Mo in the Armory -> Ships section due to some spaghetti code and not because you don't want people to use the -25% coupon on her, you did put her in the Armory for doubloons.

Armory-> Return of Missouri -> "Random" bundle.
The Mo is there, for doubloons. If it really was just a tech issue, you could still have easily:
1) put the Mo in a bundle (like you did)
2) make it the only option the bundle can drop (instead of 1/41)
3) just set the bundle price to 19500

That's still around 64 EUR for a single virtual ship in a free to play game - more than the full cost of a newly-released AAA game. But WeeGee had to be more greedy.

 

Unless you want to address the actual point I'm making, don't bother replying Yabba.

[YabbaCoe]

5 minutes ago, Glandolin said:

Ah, so you double down on the dumpster fire. Ok, so you're just repeating the bs that we got told originally to justify enforcing gambling mechanics in a PEGI 7 game by the cockroaches in St. Petersburg. You're trying very hard to make it seem like the feedback/discussion has to be about the whole campaign etc, but we're all pointing out the same hypocrisy. Distance the campaign from the Mo disaster.

Fact: Even if you really couldn't place the Mo in the Armory -> Ships section due to some spaghetti code and not because you don't want people to use the -25% coupon on her, you did put her in the Armory for doubloons.

Armory-> Return of Missouri -> "Random" bundle.
The Mo is there, for doubloons. If it really was just a tech issue, you could still have easily:
1) put the Mo in a bundle (like you did)
2) make it the only option the bundle can drop (instead of 1/41)
3) just set the bundle price to 19500

That's still around 64 EUR for a single virtual ship in a free to play game - more than the full cost of a newly-released AAA game. But WeeGee had to be more greedy.

 

Unless you want to address the actual point I'm making, don't bother replying Yabba.

Again, the plan wasn't to put the Missouri direcly to the Armory. As explained, after announcing Missouri will be only in random bundles and feedback gathered for this info, we decided to make an option, that players interested to purchase her can buy it without any Admiral package, only the ship with port slot for money and for doubloons, with the condition, that the campaign will be finished. So just imagine, that after finishing the campaign you receive something like a token, which unlocks this possibility. This "token" was created really in rush, as originally there weren't such plans (the announcement of Missouri only in Random bundles) and it works for Premium shop. But after a decision to also include possibilty to purchase her for doubloons, unfortunately this "token" is not working in the Armory, like it would reveal hidden option to purchase that.

That is why we offered the option to contact Customer Support after finishing the campaign, if you wish to purchase her for 19 500 doubloons, as they can check, if you have that "token" unlocked.

 

We want players to spend some time around this tailored campaign.

[KillStealBoss]

4 hours ago, arcticstorm123 said:

Remember when this game gave you stuff just for being engaged and playing the game?, sorry not going to be a rat in the maze programmed to press a lever for the next synthetic treat, take your monetization and stick it

 

Will not be playing this

Well yes but they are using the "hype" for their advantage. Back then it was nothing to be hyped + there was no T9 premiums for doubloons as they said in the past "no premiums above T8" . Today's situation is different. Although there are ships that you don't need to spend money on to get them (T9 coal ships) and free exp like Azuma or Agir. 

[Fubear]

This promotion is an absolute ripoff.

 

It takes up to 61,500 doubloons (£171.08) to get the Missouri, when you could just buy it for 19,500 (£54.88) directly after doing the campaign.

 

So what is my incentive to gamble on the boxes (in a PEGI7 game)? It takes 3,000 doubloons to get 1,000 tokens so lets look at the other prizes on offer.

 

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I could spend 14,000 tokens on the ship crates. I did some quick-maf based on the prices in the armoury, and figure the average value if you buy all the containers is 32k, but could go 5k each way depending on what you have and your luck. So that's 32,000 doubloons (£90.06) worth of random ships for 42,000 doubloons (£118.20) worth of tokens. You would probably better off if you just bought the most expensive ship in each tier directly.

 

I could spend 11,000 tokens on the captains. These are 12 point captains with custom names and icons, but no enhanced skills or voices. The closest comparison are the 10 point captains in the armoury, which while only 10 points have enhanced skills and voices. So I can pay 33,000 doubloons (92.87) worth of tokens to buy 12,000 doubloons (33.77) worth of unique captains. What a bargain! This is for the bundle price, its even less value to buy the captains separately.

 

Finally we come to the camo. The standard T9 perma-camo cost is 4K, with event specific camo going up to 7K (only looking at the ships I have in port). So the new camo is 9,000 doubloons (£25.33) worth of tokens for something that typically costs 6-7,000 doubloons. 

 

We also get flags, which are consumable and given away fairly regularly for free but cannot be bought - so I have not valued them at all. They are what WG use to artificially inflate the value of the bundles.

 

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In conclusion - There is no value in the other gambling rewards compared to what you can just buy directly. There is no promise that the rewards are evenly distributed, so each box may not be a 1/41 chance of winning her and it's not beyond the business model WG are currently using to make it more likely that the ship will be at the end of the list than the beginning.

 

If you want the Missouri, it's much better to wait and buy it directly for cash or doubloons when you finish the missions.

 

So what can you get for just playing the game? 1,750 tokens, which will get you 1 captain or a T2-4 container and 2.2M credits. Personally I think the ship/credits combo is better value in doubloon cost, but on the other hand I will get more usage out of a 12pt commander than a T2 premium.
 

[kenny212]

13 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Again, the plan wasn't to put the Missouri direcly to the Armory. As explained, after announcing Missouri will be only in random bundles and feedback gathered for this info, we decided to make an option, that players interested to purchase her can buy it without any Admiral package, only the ship with port slot for money and for doubloons, with the condition, that the campaign will be finished. So just imagine, that after finishing the campaign you receive something like a token, which unlocks this possibility. This "token" was created really in rush, as originally there weren't such plans (the announcement of Missouri only in Random bundles) and it works for Premium shop. But after a decision to also include possibilty to purchase her for doubloons, unfortunately this "token" is not working in the Armory, like it would reveal hidden option to purchase that.

That is why we offered the option to contact Customer Support after finishing the campaign, if you wish to purchase her for 19 500 doubloons, as they can check, if you have that "token" unlocked.

 

We want players to spend some time around this tailored campaign.

Lies, all of it.

[WascallyWabbit]

5 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Again, the plan wasn't to put the Missouri direcly to the Armory. As explained, after announcing Missouri will be only in random bundles and feedback gathered for this info, we decided to make an option, that players interested to purchase her can buy it without any Admiral package, only the ship with port slot for money and for doubloons, with the condition, that the campaign will be finished. So just imagine, that after finishing the campaign you receive something like a token, which unlocks this possibility. This "token" was created really in rush, as originally there weren't such plans (the announcement of Missouri only in Random bundles) and it works for Premium shop. But after a decision to also include possibilty to purchase her for doubloons, unfortunately this "token" is not working in the Armory, like it would reveal hidden option to purchase that.

That is why we offered the option to contact Customer Support after finishing the campaign, if you wish to purchase her for 19 500 doubloons, as they can check, if you have that "token" unlocked.

 

We want players to spend some time around this tailored campaign.

Then simply add The USN Misery to a T9 ship crate, come on these are weak and feeble excuses. You just wanted no one using the 25% voucher, come on tell the truth, it doesn't burn your skin...go on, go on, go on...i know you really want to shout out..."It's Twue, It'sTwue" Blazing Saddles reference there :). 

[Fesvil]

None of the new ships just released are usable with the discount coupon.

 

But to be honest all ships ever available for doubloons should be usable with this coupon. After all, you get 2!!! of these every year so it's not like they're that usable.

 

-Fes

[DumbleDerp]

3 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

How come? You don't like the rewards? Or they style of this campaign? Or difficulty of the mission?

Any of it, none of it, zero.

 

I get you need to take a company line, that's your job.

 

But this whole thing is indefensible.

 

I'm not going to repeat what's already been said here and elsewhere, but the statement that it's not possible to place this ship in the Armory for "technical reasons", is beyond absurd.

 

Abandon ship. 

[YabbaCoe]

14 minutes ago, WascallyWabbit said:

Then simply add The USN Misery to a T9 ship crate, come on these are weak and feeble excuses. You just wanted no one using the 25% voucher, come on tell the truth, it doesn't burn your skin...go on, go on, go on...i know you really want to shout out..."It's Twue, It'sTwue" Blazing Saddles reference there :). 

If that would be the true, that only reason is, that we don't want players to use the coupon, we would just add her to "Featured" part, like other ships before, as this coupon works only in Ships part.

But as I mentioned, the plan was to "unlock the possibilty to purchase" after finishing the campaign, which would appear only to those, who would finish the campaign. But unfortunately there were technical difficulties during preparing and trying to implement this stuff really asap. Sometimes simply doesn't go as planned, especially when you have plenty other things to do at the same time.

This is how it is, unfortunately. I am not lying to you about this situation.

 

[blacksnipe29]

38 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

We want players to spend some time around this tailored campaign. all of their money and then some on our shameless cashgrab bundles

 

There, fixed it for you, that'll save you the time and human decency to be honest.

[Glandolin]

1 hour ago, Glandolin said:

from technical reasons we couldn't place Missouri to purchase for doubloons in the Armory

 

49 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

the plan wasn't to put the Missouri direcly to the Armory

Well which one is it then? You're just contradicting yourself now. The only hypothesis where both statements would be true is that WeeGees plan was always to make it a damn gambling mechanic in a PEGI 7 game. Just admit that you are enforcing lootboxes because it makes you more money. Every time you pull the "technical reasons" or "miscommunication" excuse, you just double down on being just a money laundering scheme. I genuinely wish any other developer/publisher would take over WoWs, hell even EA would be better at this point.

 

50 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

only the ship with port slot for money and for doubloons, with the condition, that the campaign will be finished

 

59 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

We want players to spend some time around this tailored campaign

Then have the campaign award (upon finishing the last part) you 1 of a new special currency "The Mo Token" (those are thrown in and out of the Armory fairly regurarly), have a bundle like I explained already, but have it cost 19500 doubloons and 1 "The Mo token". Having to contact support is just another tactic to discourage people to get it for a fixed price and to instead gamble for it and everyone can see through it.

[Cerberus007]

WG if you wanted me to buy the Mo then all you had to do was put it in the armoury for dubs.

 

I find it insulting  to now ask me to jump through these hoops to then be allowed to buy her.

 

As for your gambling boxes, you can stuff these where the sun doesn't shine. 

 

After seeing how little you rate your paying customers and CC's ,I really can't be bothered and simply can't muster the effort to play WoWs  for more that one or two battles anymore.

 

Before this dumpster fire kicked off I was quite happy paying and playing away in PvE. The whole company attitude in the last few months ( LWM & gambling boxes to name but two) has drained the enjoyment out of playing your game.

 

For what little it is worth your company attitude of late has driven this happy customer and his wallet away.

[Maris_Piper]

36 minutes ago, blacksnipe29 said:

human decency

Dude, This is Wargambling, With a reputation Lower than E A Games.. Selling Gambling to 7 year olds, I suspect Moral Decency is out weighed by the Paycheck every time 

 

[NoLuvForPhatShips]

Is this game worth spending money on?

[Glandolin]

6 minutes ago, NoLuvForPhatShips said:

Is this game worth spending money on?

[Fesvil]

8 minutes ago, NoLuvForPhatShips said:

Is this game worth spending money on?

Well, like I ask people that do ice baths, or do parachuting... Is it worth doing? Heck no., for me. But for an adrenaline junkie it's the best thing ever! So, point of view.

 

For me it was worth it, but I fully understand those that think it not worth it.

 

I also love the hypocricy about greed when users want want want want want.. You can buy, you don't have to.. That's really not greed, that's capitalism which any storeowner will do to make money. If nobody buys it, they will either lower the price or stop selling it. Easy, people are buying it or not finding it as bad as the vocal ones here. That doesn't mean we shouldn't complain or speak up. Feedback is important. I just wish we (and yes, I include myself as I have a tendency to go off on rampages) would be more constructive in our feedback instead of how we do things.

 

-Fes

[gabberworld]

5 minutes ago, Fesvil said:

Well, like I ask people that do ice baths, or do parachuting... Is it worth doing? Heck no., for me. But for an adrenaline junkie it's the best thing ever! So, point of view.

 

For me it was worth it, but I fully understand those that think it not worth it.

 

I also love the hypocricy about greed when users want want want want want.. You can buy, you don't have to.. That's really not greed, that's capitalism which any storeowner will do to make money. If nobody buys it, they will either lower the price or stop selling it. Easy, people are buying it or not finding it as bad as the vocal ones here. That doesn't mean we shouldn't complain or speak up. Feedback is important. I just wish we (and yes, I include myself as I have a tendency to go off on rampages) would be more constructive in our feedback instead of how we do things.

 

-Fes

Missouri 3d model made 5 years ago, currently what it is, GIVE GIVE GIVE

[TWNWA]

32 minutes ago, NoLuvForPhatShips said:

Is this game worth spending money on?

NO.  Not anymore. 

[YabbaCoe]

53 minutes ago, Glandolin said:

 

Well which one is it then? You're just contradicting yourself now. The only hypothesis where both statements would be true is that WeeGees plan was always to make it a damn gambling mechanic in a PEGI 7 game. Just admit that you are enforcing lootboxes because it makes you more money. Every time you pull the "technical reasons" or "miscommunication" excuse, you just double down on being just a money laundering scheme. I genuinely wish any other developer/publisher would take over WoWs, hell even EA would be better at this point.

 

 

Then have the campaign award (upon finishing the last part) you 1 of a new special currency "The Mo Token" (those are thrown in and out of the Armory fairly regurarly), have a bundle like I explained already, but have it cost 19500 doubloons and 1 "The Mo token". Having to contact support is just another tactic to discourage people to get it for a fixed price and to instead gamble for it and everyone can see through it.

this:

1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

Again, the plan wasn't to put the Missouri direcly to the Armory. As explained, after announcing Missouri will be only in random bundles and feedback gathered for this info, we decided to make an option, that players interested to purchase her can buy it without any Admiral package, only the ship with port slot for money and for doubloons, with the condition, that the campaign will be finished. So just imagine, that after finishing the campaign you receive something like a token, which unlocks this possibility. This "token" was created really in rush, as originally there weren't such plans (the announcement of Missouri only in Random bundles) and it works for Premium shop. But after a decision to also include possibilty to purchase her for doubloons, unfortunately this "token" is not working in the Armory, like it would reveal hidden option to purchase that.

That is why we offered the option to contact Customer Support after finishing the campaign, if you wish to purchase her for 19 500 doubloons, as they can check, if you have that "token" unlocked.

 

We want players to spend some time around this tailored campaign.

 

Where I contradicting myself? I explained, what was the plan, what changed and what caused those aforementioned technical issues.

I agree, that some "The Mo token" would solve it all actually it would be visible (basically visible thing of what I described). but as I mentioned, the decision to offer doubloon purchases came very close to the release and simply there was no time to design yet another currency, to implement that to the game to be displayed as a currency. Probably from the same reasons we had those technical difficulties to have that unlock option in the Armory. It would be easier for all of us to have this token working, but unfortunately it not. So, that is why we offer the option to contact Customer Support to exchange doubloons for Missouri, while you have your campaign ready.

[blacksnipe29]

6 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

Missouri 3d model made 5 years ago, currently what it is, GIVE GIVE GIVE

Are you having a stroke?

[gabberworld]

21 minutes ago, blacksnipe29 said:

Are you having a stroke?

yes. but not from this Missouri but because off MM