Is the New Bundles for the Missouri Worth it?

[The_Chiv]

When WG released Missouri in 2016 it was in effect a different game. We did not have nearly as many signals, camos, or better premium time options. Generating fxp was a slow grind that many just spent money to convert over. Some did not. Then in 2018 they phased her out. Originally it was asked if the credit making potential was the problem. @Sub_Octavian said no in a reddit post. Now however this does seem to be an issue and the one thing that made this ship a premium has been removed for it's re release and instead you are gonna get a Reskin IOWA with a worse citadel placement effectively making it a worse IOWA.

 

Ignoring the fact that the ship has lost the only thing that made it desirable, the rerelease has been met with a ton of complaints and trepidation. Where it was once stated you would be able to buy it directly from the shop was replaced with a gambling scheme similar to that of the Johan De Witt. For those who do not know I will explain it. In order to get access to the Johan De Witt Early access WG had a random bundle system. Each bundle  cost 1k doubloons and there were 72 possible bundles. Each bundle had some temporary camos, and some signals(both regular and premium/dragon signals) At max you would pay 72k doubloons to get this ship. If we ignore the value of the Signals and temporary camos(which most of us do) that would make the process of getting the Johan De Witt. 3.7x more expensive then getting the Marco Polo for doubloons, a premium tier IX ship. Johan De Witt is not a premium ship and in fact is a tech tree ship that will soon be available in the next few weeks. Wg is applying the same bundle process to the relaunch Missouri.

 

 

Unlike the De Witt, Missouri will have 75 bundles each costing 1500 doubloons. So at max you would be spending 112,500 doubloons to get the Missouri. In the screen shot shown you will notice temp camos, premium signals and a new currency. This currency can be used to get guarantee loot boxes. 

 

So lets say you go through the entire process. it cost $90.00 USD per 25k doubloons. This gives us a cost of $405.00 USD total spending to go through all 75 stages. There are 74 stages that award this new special currency for a total of 33,300 total of this currency. Simple math says that is 6 TVIII chest, 1TV chest, and 1 TII-IV chest. At max value a TVIII ship is worth 14000 doubloons, however TVIII also has 10.3k ships. At most the 6 ships you can get would have a value of 79.5k and a min value of 63.8k. Now adding in the TVIII values with the TV and TII-IV and you get some where around 70k-85k worth of premium ships if you buy the entire set of bundles PLUS the Missouri which even though it has 0 justification for Premium Ship pricing , is another 19300 doubloons for a total of 89k-104k. This means WG values all those signals and camos at 8k-23k doubloons. 

 

On the surface it might seem like a pretty good deal to go through the bundles to get the Missouri. In fact many of you may be able to pick it up cheaper then the cost of a "Premium" TIX. The sad reality however is most of you wont. Just to get a single t8 crate you have to buy 12 bundles. This is 18k doubloons. Sure you get signals and camos but are they really worth an extra 4-6k doubloons?

 

This bundle scheme can easily be seen as predatory. WG is trying to inflate the value of items they gave away for free, while trying to give the appearance of better value then other schemes they have tried in the past. Ship collectors aka WHALES, ironically enough will have the best value from this as most of them will already have all the T8 premiums and thus with each duplicate they get from a box will in fact return a value back to them allowing them grind the bundles at a much lower cost then say a newer player would.

 

All in all this scheme like all other WG schemes is seeking to lure you in with the temptations of easy gain while in reality seeking to draw you into the sunk cost Fallacy there by making you spend almost 6x the cost of the Missouri in order to justify the endeavor. 

 

This post is meant to educate the community. So that they may make an informed choice. No one disagrees that WG has a right to make money. They are a business and that's what a business should do. If however you are tired of this sunk cost fallacy gambling design and want it to go away there is only one options. DO NOT FALL FOR IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

 

EDIT1. WG is now claiming that the imagines posted are not 100% accurate. This could mean the total amount of bundles may change, the cost per bundle may change, or the amount of the new currency they are introducing for this may change.

[Chaoskraehe]

What happens if someone who already owns the Missouri would get her from a crate? 

 

Just curious

[The_Chiv]

Just now, Chaoskraehe said:

What happens if someone who already owns the Missouri would get her from a crate? 

 

Just curious

In this scheme the only way you can get the missouri is from the bundles as there is no TIX crates. However most likely it would give you  doubloon refund of 19300

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Not to mention: you pay money and get pixels. Caveat emptor.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Well the premium store won't let me buy 112,500 doubloons required.

 

WG please fix this.

[The_Chiv]

Just now, gopher31 said:

Well the premium store won't let me buy 112,500 doubloons required.

 

WG please fix this.

4x 25k 1 x 12.5k(though this you may have to do manually.)

[NewHorizons_1]

26 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

... you are gonna get a Reskin IOWA with a worse citadel placement effectively making it a worse IOWA.

just curious about the citadel as the only difference in armour that is mentioned in the wiki is an improved forward bulkhead compared to Iowa.

 

Is the citadel of the new Missouri in the loot boxes different to that of the current one / Iowa?

And, does the armour model of the original Missouri stay the same or does it become the same as the new one?

 

Don't have Missouri myself but those could be points to consider if you already own it or intend to (try) and get it.

 

[The_Chiv]

17 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

just curious about the citadel as the only difference in armour that is mentioned in the wiki is an improved forward bulkhead compared to Iowa.

 

Is the citadel of the new Missouri in the loot boxes different to that of the current one / Iowa?

And, does the armour model of the original Missouri stay the same or does it become the same as the new one?

 

Don't have Missouri myself but those could be points to consider if you already own it or intend to (try) and get it.

 

So a bit ago Iowa, NC, and Montana had its citadel lowered a bit. Missouri due to the fact it was a premium did not get any adjustment.

 

[Verblonde]

53 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

New Bundles for the Missouri Worth it?

Anything that involves spending more than the standard price for a T9 premium is a resounding 'no' IMO.

 

MO is an unremarkable T9 BB that is worse than its tech tree sibling, but gets - occasionally useful - radar in return; it no longer gets the boosted earnings. Apart from the historical aspect, there is nothing about the current MO that makes it worth more than any other T9 premium.

 

(Deliberately leaving aside the discussion regarding whether *any* T9 premium is worth what WG charge for them.)

[The_Chiv]

2 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Anything that involves spending more than the standard price for a T9 premium is a resounding 'no' IMO.

 

MO is an unremarkable T9 BB that is worse than its tech tree sibling, but gets - occasionally useful - radar in return; it no longer gets the boosted earnings. Apart from the historical aspect, there is nothing about the current MO that makes it worth more than any other T9 premium.

 

(Deliberately leaving aside the discussion regarding whether *any* T9 premium is worth what WG charge for them.)

To be fair the T9 premiums that have proven to be worth the value tend to be those you get from FXP or Coal. CASH ones always seem to be less impactful. This is done on purpose to avoid "Pay to win" Accusations.

 

[Pandafaust]

1 hour ago, The_Chiv said:

Is the New Bundles for the Missouri Worth it?

Nope.

[Peffers]

loot box for a loot box??????  Surely a Miscommunication!!!!!

 

 

Pay money, win dust.

[Verblonde]

15 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

To be fair the T9 premiums that have proven to be worth the value tend to be those you get from FXP or Coal. CASH ones always seem to be less impactful. This is done on purpose to avoid "Pay to win" Accusations.

You're right, of course; probably the most useful one I have is Neustra (although mine fell out of a Satan Crate). I'm mostly thinking in terms of the ones that get simultaneous freemium/cash releases...

[_Lupastro_]

HECK NO!

 

_{Let me pay a fair price for what I want and not for some luck...}

[The_Chiv]

Just now, Verblonde said:

You're right, of course; probably the most useful one I have is Neustra (although mine fell out of a Satan Crate). I'm mostly thinking in terms of the ones that get simultaneous freemium/cash releases...

Agir, Alaska, Jean Bart, Kron, Musashi, Friesland all amazing boats. Ok the Kron takes a bit of getting use to but the fact it can citadel a bb at 15km+ is nice.

[Miscommunication_dept]

1 hour ago, The_Chiv said:

4x 25k 1 x 12.5k(though this you may have to do manually.)

Thanks dude.

 

Just checked though, no summer scam coupons with doubloons anymore, what a rip off!

[PaP_Mentoles]

Stop giving money to WeeGreedy FFS

[piet11111]

1 hour ago, Chaoskraehe said:

What happens if someone who already owns the Missouri would get her from a crate? 

 

Just curious

 

The silver price tag on the mighty money is 1.

so 1 silver i guess.

[WWDragon]

33 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

So a bit ago Iowa, NC, and Montana had its citadel lowered a bit. Missouri due to the fact it was a premium did not get any adjustment.

 

No, I am checking ingame and they have the exact same citadel.

Fitting tool says repair party have the same duration so its pretty much Radar instead of Spotter outside the slightly different armor layout, otherwise identical.

[Yedwy]

7 minutes ago, PaP_Mentoles said:

Stop giving money to WeeGreedy FFS

This

 

As long as we feed the WG trolls regurarly they Grow more arogant and cheeky with each passing event

[Chaoskraehe]

Vor 7 Minuten, piet11111 sagte:

 

The silver price tag on the mighty money is 1.

so 1 silver i guess.

Sounds like WG 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Is this a trick question?

[Miscommunication_dept]

19 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

No, I am checking ingame and they have the exact same citadel.

Fitting tool says repair party have the same duration so its pretty much Radar instead of Spotter outside the slightly different armor layout, otherwise identical.

Same lower citadel, a small difference in rear armour but not much.

 

Iowa's heal heals back 0.66% of damage per second, Missouri's only 0.5%.

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, The_Chiv said:

Missouri due to the fact it was a premium did not get any adjustment.

Except she got that too, waterline citadel

26 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

Fitting tool says repair party have the same duration so its pretty much Radar instead of Spotter outside the slightly different armor layout, otherwise identical.

Iowa heal restored 0.66%hp/sec instead usual 0.5%. Iowa had rudder shift buff too

[invicta2012]

1 hour ago, The_Chiv said:

On the surface it might seem like a pretty good deal to go through the bundles to get the Missouri.

It's not, though. This is the Agincourt* / Marco Polo all over again. 

 

For every lucky soul who gets the Missouri first roll, there will be ten more who will open eight/nine/ten bundles, telling themselves at the end they've got a unique item at a discount ("I got a Tier IX for the price of a Tier VII, result!").

Those players would not have gone up to the cash shop and bought the ship outright, because that's £50, and most people have their impulse purchase level set lower. But they will get drawn into spending £4 per drop on bundles, or £20 on some doubloons. WG will happily take twice as many sales at £30-40 per time as they get at £50, they're £££ in, plus they haven't undermined their standard shop price for a Tier IX BB. 

 

* That deal was particularly egregious, and I hate the fact I actually got suckered into it. I'm looking at the DZP event, too,  thinking that it's been pitched precisely at the point where people will spend more in doubloons to finish the grind than they would for a straight up cash shop purchase.