PSA: Recent community incidents and our actions

[RuhrpottSohn]

On 8/17/2021 at 1:08 PM, got_carried_by_Dark_haha said:

Understandable and it is an appropriate statement. Thanks WG for clearing things out.

 

Moving on is always better and most productive o7. Some critics don't know how departmental investigation work and it takes time to make a judgment or analysis.

 

XD

Clan test Orga everything said i guess. Sry Mate but you should stay with the community but how should you been neutral, as a clan test coordinator. sry wrong person to reply on such a topic. Your neutrality isnt garantied A bit out of your relationship with Wargaming. and hey 1000 Battles. :D Biut yeah excuse the gambling mechanics, the shitty behaviour , the communication errorrs which brngs this company a lot of money even if the get corrected. How much were they in the last 12 months? But yeah good point for saomeone with around 1000 battles to move on. 

[soralapio]

On 8/17/2021 at 2:01 PM, YabbaCoe said:

Hello everyone,

 

Best regards, 

WoWS Team

 

This is an absolutely atrocious statement and you lot should be ashamed for making it. But let's go step by step.

 

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We are awfully sorry that AprilWhiteMouse and other CCs are no longer a part of our Community Contributors Program, and we’d like them to know they will be missed. We respect their decision and want to thank them for their contributions, devotion, and passion for the game and program over several years. We wish all of them best of luck and hope that they will stay in touch with us nevertheless, we will always be here to talk. 

Note, they're not saying they're sorry for pushing these CCs out. They are not sorry their employees behaved in a way where some of the biggest and most vocal fans of the game felt they could no longer function inside the CC program. They're just sorry they left, you know, for some reason. Just like rains fall, who truly knows why anything happens? Shame it did, anyway!

 

You immediately fucked up your "apology" here, because this is textbook toxic / abusive crap.

 

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While some of these causes are self-explanatory, and our commitment to fix them remains, there are a few specific points we’d like to comment on: 

 

Here's the problem: after a few years of miscommunication, promises to do better, actually not doing anything better ever, and ultimately pushing out your biggest fans and supporters by not doing anything about several glaring problems, one can't help but wonder: what [edited]commitment? Because from our perspective your "commitment" is and has always been a flat zero, so I guess in a way this is accurate.

 

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On the topic of Missouri, we know that there is an open question whether her earnings are on par with the pre-update version, especially considering signal flags and camouflage bonuses. We're carefully analyzing her adjusted earnings following the update, and will share our decision whether any adjustments to the mission are to be made.

 

There's no "open question". People have outright proven, with mathematics, while showing their workings and numbers, that the current Missouri makes less money than it did before you nerfed it.

 

In any case, I'm done. I used to be a whale who spent probably several thousand euros on this game, but I'm done. I haven't played in months anyway after your previous [edited]ups, but I kept the game installed in case I wanted to return to it some day. It's uninstalled now.

[RG9T86]

Pretty much sums up Weegee's apology:

[Baron_von_Salsa]

Uhh mkay, I think I need to response to you WeeGee, one Moment.... Here have some Copypasta so you see how much I appreciate you:

 

Hello WeeGee,

 

I am awfully sorry that World of Carrierplanes (I hope I got your Gamename right would be embarrassing to get that wrong) and other of WeeGees Products are no longer a part of my Harddisk, and I like them to know they will be missed. I respect their decision and want to thank them for their contributions, devotion, and passion for the game and program over several years. I wish all of them best of luck, I will always be here to talk. 

 

I hope you understand that there are several causes that have led us to this situation and that you have upset and disappointed many players including me. While some of these causes are self-explanatory, there are a few specific points I'd like to comment on: 

 

• I appreciate the Feedback you gave the community about the Utter Crap you trown yourself into. As you can see in the Forums and Social Media, we've been discussing longer than since last week, and I hope everyone is able to see through your lies now.
• Regardless of your legal status regarding attracting Gambling to Minors, I will stay true to my commitment to not install any of your Products even in 2022. 

 

Best regards, 

Baron von Salsa

 

 

Ok that took me 10 Minutes. That is a great non apology Template Weegee!

[MadJack666]

2 hours ago, mtm78 said:

Jack don't read to much into it, I just think you took the first post wrong and well a Kappa is basically  

 

 see the likeness? I mean it must suck when world decides your mug looks so smug you're an overnight meme but hey, stranger things have happened. 

Sure. I just hope that you realise that the miscommunication is not only my fault. Otherwise you miss something you actually should read more in to.

[Bellegar]

On 8/17/2021 at 1:01 PM, YabbaCoe said:

Hello everyone, 

 

We are awfully sorry that AprilWhiteMouse and other CCs are no longer a part of our Community Contributors Program, and we’d like them to know they will be missed. We respect their decision and want to thank them for their contributions, devotion, and passion for the game and program over several years. We wish all of them best of luck and hope that they will stay in touch with us nevertheless, we will always be here to talk. 

 

We understand that there are several causes that have led us to this situation and that we have upset and disappointed many of our CCs and players. While some of these causes are self-explanatory, and our commitment to fix them remains, there are a few specific points we’d like to comment on: 

 

• We appreciate the community feedback about Missouri being obtainable via Random Bundles exclusively in 0.10.7. We've been discussing this since last week and decided to add an alternative way to purchase the ship. We will provide details on our Devblog soon.
• On the topic of Missouri, we know that there is an open question whether her earnings are on par with the pre-update version, especially considering signal flags and camouflage bonuses. We're carefully analyzing her adjusted earnings following the update, and will share our decision whether any adjustments to the mission are to be made.
• Regardless of AprilWhiteMouse's CC membership status, we will stay true to our commitment to release HMCS Huron in 2022. She’s been added to our production plans and is scheduled to arrive around late Summer 2022.  

 

Best regards, 

WoWS Team

This 'apology' was so empty and shallow, and yet it still contained even more failure and lies by WG:

WG, can you please stop making me have to write stuff like this? (Mo Missions) - General Game Discussion - World of Warships official forum

 

[SilentEnimLegesInterArma]

stop waffling.. your words are hot air.

 

PROOVE that you want to change. Fire the staff - you know which ones. Stop beeing such a greedy company. EA can survive the backlash - you can not!

 

no confidence in this company. Since November 2020 it got worse and worse. UNTESTED SHIPS FOR SALE. Backpadeling on Premiums all of a sudden. (not talking about balancing)

I stopped investing in this company and I still have 1200+ days premium and i get sick an tired and the game is no fun anymore - all is buy buy buy, gamble box after gamble box

still bugs galore...

still cheats galore...

fire the ecxel heros - get the gamers back into the driving seat.

 

[King_Of_The_Potatoes]

[medicdragon]

On 8/17/2021 at 12:08 PM, got_carried_by_Dark_haha said:

Understandable and it is an appropriate statement. Thanks WG for clearing things out.

 

Moving on is always better and most productive o7. Some critics don't know how departmental investigation work and it takes time to make a judgment or analysis.

 

XD

My God! It's a shame that butt licking isn't an Olympic event, you'd have the Gold won by a mile. Just a shame, that the drugs that have so obviously affected your cognitive abilities, would result in instant disqualification!

[AdmiralHipst3r]

I appreciate how happy everyone is to see the story gaining traction in gaming media, but I feel I need to remind everyone that none of this actually matters.  It's a few bad news cycles, WG doesn't care.  Every player who voiced their outrage on the forums or in video comments doesn't matter.  WG doesn't care.  They already extracted every cent from us they're ever going to, they can't sell us the same premium ships twice, player turnover isn't something they're afraid of because player turnover IS how they monetise.  They're not developing for the veteran players, they're developing for the noobs fresh in the door who haven't gotten used to how predatory they are, and once they've turned them into embittered old cynics like us they'll repeat it with a fresh batch.  This is why they mouth empty apologies and never actually change, because their strategy for existing players is to just string us along for as long as they can until they've squeezed every euro out of us they're ever going to get.  This is why they expend so much money and effort on advertising, affiliate programs, recruitment programs...  because THIS is where they're vulnerable.
 

But how can we prevent new players from lining up for the slaughter?  New players don't read our forums or watch our videos.  No, they don't.  But PEGI in Europe and the ESRB in the USA set the age ratings assigned to games that influence what new players a game can attract.  And they have complaint forms.
 

PEGI Complaints (EU): https://pegi.info/page/contact-us
ESRB Complaints (NA): https://www.esrb.org/contact/

Get WOWS rated 18 in the EU and A for Adult in the US and I guarantee Wargaming will start taking you seriously.

[Escaam]

On 8/17/2021 at 2:01 PM, YabbaCoe said:

Hello everyone, 

 

We are awfully sorry that AprilWhiteMouse and other CCs are no longer a part of our Community Contributors Program, and we’d like them to know they will be missed. We respect their decision and want to thank them for their contributions, devotion, and passion for the game and program over several years. We wish all of them best of luck and hope that they will stay in touch with us nevertheless, we will always be here to talk. 

 

We understand that there are several causes that have led us to this situation and that we have upset and disappointed many of our CCs and players. While some of these causes are self-explanatory, and our commitment to fix them remains, there are a few specific points we’d like to comment on: 

 

• We appreciate the community feedback about Missouri being obtainable via Random Bundles exclusively in 0.10.7. We've been discussing this since last week and decided to add an alternative way to purchase the ship. We will provide details on our Devblog soon.
• On the topic of Missouri, we know that there is an open question whether her earnings are on par with the pre-update version, especially considering signal flags and camouflage bonuses. We're carefully analyzing her adjusted earnings following the update, and will share our decision whether any adjustments to the mission are to be made.
• Regardless of AprilWhiteMouse's CC membership status, we will stay true to our commitment to release HMCS Huron in 2022. She’s been added to our production plans and is scheduled to arrive around late Summer 2022.  

 

Best regards, 

WoWS Team

 

What a pitiful corporate dog barf, that is horrible even from (belo-)Russian company.

[KruppStahl14]

1 hour ago, AdmiralHipst3r said:

I appreciate how happy everyone is to see the story gaining traction in gaming media, but I feel I need to remind everyone that none of this actually matters.  It's a few bad news cycles, WG doesn't care.  Every player who voiced their outrage on the forums or in video comments doesn't matter.  WG doesn't care.  They already extracted every cent from us they're ever going to, they can't sell us the same premium ships twice, player turnover isn't something they're afraid of because player turnover IS how they monetise.  They're not developing for the veteran players, they're developing for the noobs fresh in the door who haven't gotten used to how predatory they are, and once they've turned them into embittered old cynics like us they'll repeat it with a fresh batch.  This is why they mouth empty apologies and never actually change, because their strategy for existing players is to just string us along for as long as they can until they've squeezed every euro out of us they're ever going to get.  This is why they expend so much money and effort on advertising, affiliate programs, recruitment programs...  because THIS is where they're vulnerable.
 

But how can we prevent new players from lining up for the slaughter?  New players don't read our forums or watch our videos.  No, they don't.  But PEGI in Europe and the ESRB in the USA set the age ratings assigned to games that influence what new players a game can attract.  And they have complaint forms.
 

PEGI Complaints (EU): https://pegi.info/page/contact-us
ESRB Complaints (NA): https://www.esrb.org/contact/

Get WOWS rated 18 in the EU and A for Adult in the US and I guarantee Wargaming will start taking you seriously.

Thanks for the links. I just wrote a nice message to PEGI.
Lets swarm this guys ! Because it maybe changes something.

[Ashmodiel]

1 hour ago, AdmiralHipst3r said:

But PEGI in Europe and the ESRB in the USA set the age ratings assigned to games that influence what new players a game can attract.  And they have complaint forms.
 

PEGI Complaints (EU): https://pegi.info/page/contact-us
ESRB Complaints (NA): https://www.esrb.org/contact/

Get WOWS rated 18 in the EU and A for Adult in the US and I guarantee Wargaming will start taking you seriously.

 

I had planned to send this complaint earlier, but it fell out of my head. Fortunately, I have now clicked and it has been a long time since I made a complaint with such pleasure and satisfaction.

[Kaptenballe]

I read getting both angry and sad about you not respecting the players and complaints from others. I was now wondering if I should buy doubloons to be able to buy games. Missouri, a beautifully known Battleship that you first nerfa then come with a crap offer, will probably make you get as little reward as its time I played. That you have not invested in improving the game, adding new maps or game modes. You crap in us players only you get cash, it's over now until I see improvement. We are starting to become many dissatisfied players!

[Decommissioner]

3 hours ago, AdmiralHipst3r said:

I appreciate how happy everyone is to see the story gaining traction in gaming media, but I feel I need to remind everyone that none of this actually matters.  It's a few bad news cycles, WG doesn't care.  Every player who voiced their outrage on the forums or in video comments doesn't matter.  WG doesn't care.  They already extracted every cent from us they're ever going to, they can't sell us the same premium ships twice, player turnover isn't something they're afraid of because player turnover IS how they monetise.  They're not developing for the veteran players, they're developing for the noobs fresh in the door who haven't gotten used to how predatory they are, and once they've turned them into embittered old cynics like us they'll repeat it with a fresh batch.  This is why they mouth empty apologies and never actually change, because their strategy for existing players is to just string us along for as long as they can until they've squeezed every euro out of us they're ever going to get.  This is why they expend so much money and effort on advertising, affiliate programs, recruitment programs...  because THIS is where they're vulnerable.
 

But how can we prevent new players from lining up for the slaughter?  New players don't read our forums or watch our videos.  No, they don't.  But PEGI in Europe and the ESRB in the USA set the age ratings assigned to games that influence what new players a game can attract.  And they have complaint forms.
 

PEGI Complaints (EU): https://pegi.info/page/contact-us
ESRB Complaints (NA): https://www.esrb.org/contact/

Get WOWS rated 18 in the EU and A for Adult in the US and I guarantee Wargaming will start taking you seriously.

As the mighty gnome commands :)

[D4rkCrus4der]

10 hours ago, AdmiralHipst3r said:

I appreciate how happy everyone is to see the story gaining traction in gaming media, but I feel I need to remind everyone that none of this actually matters.  It's a few bad news cycles, WG doesn't care.  Every player who voiced their outrage on the forums or in video comments doesn't matter.  WG doesn't care.  They already extracted every cent from us they're ever going to, they can't sell us the same premium ships twice, player turnover isn't something they're afraid of because player turnover IS how they monetise.  They're not developing for the veteran players, they're developing for the noobs fresh in the door who haven't gotten used to how predatory they are, and once they've turned them into embittered old cynics like us they'll repeat it with a fresh batch.  This is why they mouth empty apologies and never actually change, because their strategy for existing players is to just string us along for as long as they can until they've squeezed every euro out of us they're ever going to get.  This is why they expend so much money and effort on advertising, affiliate programs, recruitment programs...  because THIS is where they're vulnerable.
 

But how can we prevent new players from lining up for the slaughter?  New players don't read our forums or watch our videos.  No, they don't.  But PEGI in Europe and the ESRB in the USA set the age ratings assigned to games that influence what new players a game can attract.  And they have complaint forms.
 

PEGI Complaints (EU): https://pegi.info/page/contact-us
ESRB Complaints (NA): https://www.esrb.org/contact/

Get WOWS rated 18 in the EU and A for Adult in the US and I guarantee Wargaming will start taking you seriously.

Thnx for the link, was looking for this yesterday. EU complaint send.

Unfortunately the EU doesn't have any union wide regulation regarding lootboxes.

[Mullac087]

13 hours ago, AdmiralHipst3r said:

I appreciate how happy everyone is to see the story gaining traction in gaming media, but I feel I need to remind everyone that none of this actually matters.  It's a few bad news cycles, WG doesn't care.  Every player who voiced their outrage on the forums or in video comments doesn't matter.  WG doesn't care.  They already extracted every cent from us they're ever going to, they can't sell us the same premium ships twice, player turnover isn't something they're afraid of because player turnover IS how they monetise.  They're not developing for the veteran players, they're developing for the noobs fresh in the door who haven't gotten used to how predatory they are, and once they've turned them into embittered old cynics like us they'll repeat it with a fresh batch.  This is why they mouth empty apologies and never actually change, because their strategy for existing players is to just string us along for as long as they can until they've squeezed every euro out of us they're ever going to get.  This is why they expend so much money and effort on advertising, affiliate programs, recruitment programs...  because THIS is where they're vulnerable.
 

But how can we prevent new players from lining up for the slaughter?  New players don't read our forums or watch our videos.  No, they don't.  But PEGI in Europe and the ESRB in the USA set the age ratings assigned to games that influence what new players a game can attract.  And they have complaint forms.
 

PEGI Complaints (EU): https://pegi.info/page/contact-us
ESRB Complaints (NA): https://www.esrb.org/contact/

Get WOWS rated 18 in the EU and A for Adult in the US and I guarantee Wargaming will start taking you seriously.

Report made for the EU. Lets hope it makes a difference. 

[Cristoffs]

13 hours ago, AdmiralHipst3r said:

I appreciate how happy everyone is to see the story gaining traction in gaming media, but I feel I need to remind everyone that none of this actually matters.  It's a few bad news cycles, WG doesn't care.  Every player who voiced their outrage on the forums or in video comments doesn't matter.  WG doesn't care.  They already extracted every cent from us they're ever going to, they can't sell us the same premium ships twice, player turnover isn't something they're afraid of because player turnover IS how they monetise.  They're not developing for the veteran players, they're developing for the noobs fresh in the door who haven't gotten used to how predatory they are, and once they've turned them into embittered old cynics like us they'll repeat it with a fresh batch.  This is why they mouth empty apologies and never actually change, because their strategy for existing players is to just string us along for as long as they can until they've squeezed every euro out of us they're ever going to get.  This is why they expend so much money and effort on advertising, affiliate programs, recruitment programs...  because THIS is where they're vulnerable.
 

But how can we prevent new players from lining up for the slaughter?  New players don't read our forums or watch our videos.  No, they don't.  But PEGI in Europe and the ESRB in the USA set the age ratings assigned to games that influence what new players a game can attract.  And they have complaint forms.
 

PEGI Complaints (EU): https://pegi.info/page/contact-us
ESRB Complaints (NA): https://www.esrb.org/contact/

Get WOWS rated 18 in the EU and A for Adult in the US and I guarantee Wargaming will start taking you seriously.

I just filled in the form, thanks for the link

[Flashp0int]

15 hours ago, AdmiralHipst3r said:

 

PEGI Complaints (EU): https://pegi.info/page/contact-us
ESRB Complaints (NA): https://www.esrb.org/contact/

Get WOWS rated 18 in the EU and A for Adult in the US and I guarantee Wargaming will start taking you seriously.

 

Done, thanks for the links

[Lord_pZyCHo]

Well, I see there is a lot of talk about how WG has extracted all the money they can from the playerbase. I find this objectively untrue.
For probabyl over a year now, I have stoped giving WG money, and now even stoped playing, because the game has become a [edited]chore with monetisation and stupid mechanichs. 

This means that there is a lot of premiums I'd consider bying once WG mends their ways, apologises to the comunity, and stops shoving stupid mechanics and baad gameplay down out throats.

..... but like that's ever going to happen. 
 

[Cambera_1]

Left message with PEGI as requested.

[LonesomePolecat]

On 8/18/2021 at 3:04 PM, soralapio said:

It's uninstalled now.

Short term effect.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely with you! I'm gutted. But uninstalling a game means nothing more then pressing Alt+F4 during game. It is more of an emotional thing. You can uninstall on a platform and (re)install on another. BUT. Is anyone considering to close their actual account? Coz only that what weegee will notice. Will they care? Probably not but definitely notice coz those players...sorry whalers are lost for good.

I'm not there yet, just taking a break, only wondering if anyone did it or considering it...

(...)

In the meantime let's complete the complaint form and submit it to PEGI as advised above. Probably this is the best we all can do atm.

 

[anonym_mlJIAFnOwMVb]

On 8/18/2021 at 2:13 PM, PanzerCracker said:

they may not now but when the PEGI rating changes and little kids can't burn through their parents credit cards, the very revenue stream this is designed to target, they will care. A lot.  And that's what everyone is doing right now. Time to end the scumbags revenue stream

[mtm78]

26 minutes ago, LonesomePolecat said:

BUT. Is anyone considering to close their actual account? Coz only that what weegee will notice. Will they care? Probably not but definitely notice coz those players...sorry whalers are lost for good.

I'm not there yet, just taking a break, only wondering if anyone did it or considering it...

 

No, WG does notice if you don't play, you just got to have a long enough breath. Anyone complaining and still playing is part of the problem, they effectively give WG the assurement player feedback can be ignored. 

 

Closing an account says you no longer give a damn, and I actually give a damn just not in the way WG would like their players to care for them. Why would I close an account with lots of stuff I payed for, what would that show other then they are able to lie and then I just walk away? Why's that? 

[Obidav]

On 8/17/2021 at 1:01 PM, YabbaCoe said:

Hello everyone, 

 

We are awfully sorry that AprilWhiteMouse and other CCs are no longer a part of our Community Contributors Program, and we’d like them to know they will be missed. We respect their decision and want to thank them for their contributions, devotion, and passion for the game and program over several years. We wish all of them best of luck and hope that they will stay in touch with us nevertheless, we will always be here to talk. 

 

We understand that there are several causes that have led us to this situation and that we have upset and disappointed many of our CCs and players. While some of these causes are self-explanatory, and our commitment to fix them remains, there are a few specific points we’d like to comment on: 

 

• We appreciate the community feedback about Missouri being obtainable via Random Bundles exclusively in 0.10.7. We've been discussing this since last week and decided to add an alternative way to purchase the ship. We will provide details on our Devblog soon.
• On the topic of Missouri, we know that there is an open question whether her earnings are on par with the pre-update version, especially considering signal flags and camouflage bonuses. We're carefully analyzing her adjusted earnings following the update, and will share our decision whether any adjustments to the mission are to be made.
• Regardless of AprilWhiteMouse's CC membership status, we will stay true to our commitment to release HMCS Huron in 2022. She’s been added to our production plans and is scheduled to arrive around late Summer 2022.  

 

Best regards, 

WoWS Team

Is that a joke?