D7P looks good to me

[totally_potato]

So the airstrikes are actually a bit of a threat, guns look decent and since they rotate 360 they are always on target, 60mm booty means it some chance of bouncing a few shells, speed boost, good stealth, good AA and ship isn't fake

 

Maybe worth the buy?

Thoughts?

[Ocsimano18]

Seems to be the best Dutch cruiser so far. The question is how does she compare to the likes of Mainz. She is cheaper, for sure, and you have the new airstrike gimmick working, the first time. I have the Mainz, but I don’t play her much, because I rarely fancy HE spamming..

[Prophecy82]

4 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

Seems to be the best Dutch cruiser so far. The question is how does she compare to the likes of Mainz. She is cheaper, for sure, and you have the new airstrike gimmick working, the first time. I have the Mainz, but I don’t play her much, because I rarely fancy HE spamming..

Imho you cant beat Mainz in HE-Spam. Especially if you go for a lighthouse build with Lütjens. I mean it reaches Smolensk levels of Spam. 

D7P will be a good trainer for Dutch captains.... except not really since you may want to spec into IFHE which the high tier NL-CAs dont need. 

Its questionable... 

Personally I think of skipping D7P and convert Friesland to Groeningen (as trainer) and get Ragnar as "Friesland replacement".

[Onsterfelijke]

Offcourse she looks good as it's a real ship! Seen the gameplay you need to adjust your style a bit. Good Kyter only danger is when your hit by BB while your rear is straight to that BB just angle a bit and it's only a pen. The HUll is the same as the Eendracht and i think you have to play both as a kyter.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Seems to be a new WG strategy. Mediocre silver line, but decent payware. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

As a dutchie, I probably would have still been playing the game if this puppy would have been a straight up regular premium ship buy instead of stuck behind a horrible FOM grind and pay wall. I actually would have bought it and still be a paying customer. 

[totally_potato]

4 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

Seems to be the best Dutch cruiser so far. The question is how does she compare to the likes of Mainz. She is cheaper, for sure, and you have the new airstrike gimmick working, the first time. I have the Mainz, but I don’t play her much, because I rarely fancy HE spamming..

Mainz is pretty amazing tbf. Top tier CL in DPM and tankiness. But D7P does have an extra source of dmg, as well as better conceal, as well as better speed

So yeah.

Its not better than Mainz, but its a good ship tbf

[totally_potato]

3 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Seems to be a new WG strategy. Mediocre silver line, but decent payware. 

true but

4k dubs as full discount. Wouldn't call this a cash grab tbf, but yeah, prem better than silver line, we have see that before

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

10 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

true but

4k dubs as full discount. Wouldn't call this a cash grab tbf, but yeah, prem better than silver line, we have see that before

You're right, it's not full price. I'd say that in addition to the 4.5k doubloons, people who have decided to get D7P will also get the boosters. Which is another what.. at least couple of k. So, nice bundle for WG. Not to mention the few (hopefully) who will just buy the thing outright to have it on the first day.

[undutchable80]

Never done dockyard before, but do you have to complete the phases sequentially so one after another?

[HTN02]

4 minutes ago, undutchable80 said:

Never done dockyard before, but do you have to complete the phases sequentially so one after another?

you do the missions in sequence, and get tokens for that. you can earn 21 (and need to buy 3 if you want the ship) to complete 24 steps (each step shows the ship being build a little more) these steps (and their rewards) are squential as well.

 

btw, i understand this is the flag you get with it as well, is that correct?

 

if so: sweet :-D

[undutchable80]

3 minutes ago, HTN02 said:

you do the missions in sequence, and get tokens for that. you can earn 21 (and need to buy 3 if you want the ship) to complete 24 steps (each step shows the ship being build a little more) these steps (and their rewards) are squential as well.

 

btw, i understand this is the flag you get with it as well, is that correct?

 

if so: sweet :-D

Do you have to buy the 3 phases to start, or can you buy them at the very end when you have done 21? 

 

And yes, that flag looks dope. 

[Hakssor]

As usual in the last period CCs show these new ships only in the ideal situation before release. These videos before release are not reviews, they are basically advertising. D7P is mediocre, she lacks utility against destroyers, you're dead if a DD rushes you in. Mainz has hydro and torps and obviously a much better DPM. She is decent only as a support ship as long as the enemy has other targets. I hope LWM makes an review about her.

[totally_potato]

44 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

You're right, it's not full price. I'd say that in addition to the 4.5k doubloons, people who have decided to get D7P will also get the boosters. Which is another what.. at least couple of k. So, nice bundle for WG. Not to mention the few (hopefully) who will just buy the thing outright to have it on the first day.

well their money, their loss

In my eyes, its basically playing the game + 4k dubs for all kinds of goodies and the ship. Nice deal imo.

[Ocsimano18]

23 minutes ago, MortuaEst_1 said:

As usual in the last period CCs show these new ships only in the ideal situation before release. These videos before release are not reviews, they are basically advertising. D7P is mediocre, she lacks utility against destroyers, you're dead if a DD rushes you in. Mainz has hydro and torps and obviously a much better DPM. She is decent only as a support ship as long as the enemy has other targets. I hope LWM makes an review about her.

The German streamer Krado releases 1h unedited youtube video (usually 3 battles) for all new ships. You can fast forward to the interesting parts, like the results screens, even if you don't speak German. He gives his final opinion (worth it or not) at the end of the video. He always plays in division, but you can see the accuracy, the armor, etc... You can also watch Twitch replays from the day when the NDA is lifted, for unedited gameplay (all the CCs play the new ship in the first day). Again, you can fast forward to the results screen.

[totally_potato]

3 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

The German streamer Krado releases 1h unedited youtube video (usually 3 battles) for all new ships. You can fast forward to the interesting parts, like the results screens, even if you don't speak German. He gives his final opinion (worth it or not) at the end of the video. He always plays in division, but you can see the accuracy, the armor, etc... You can also watch Twitch replays from the day when the NDA is lifted, for unedited gameplay (all the CCs play the new ship in the first day). Again, you can fast forward to the results screen.

Doesn't D7P have a heal which mainz doesn't?

[Hakssor]

11 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

Doesn't D7P have a heal which mainz doesn't?

She does but it's an anemic one comparing to what she had before the nerf. Mainz also has 9k more HP so it kinda compensates.

14 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

The German streamer Krado releases 1h unedited youtube video (usually 3 battles) for all new ships. You can fast forward to the interesting parts, like the results screens, even if you don't speak German. He gives his final opinion (worth it or not) at the end of the video. He always plays in division, but you can see the accuracy, the armor, etc... You can also watch Twitch replays from the day when the NDA is lifted, for unedited gameplay. Again, you can fast forward to the results screen.

Randoms in divisions is her perfect environment. She is good at focusing fire on BBs/supercruisers due to her fire chance and airstrikes. If that's how you play, then she is decent.

I play mostly ranked and CBs. In a 7vs7 setup with lots of destroyers and cap control, she will struggle due to the lack of hydro and DPM. She has good concealment but she is at the tier where CVs are quite prevalent. Also on PTS she lacked ASW although T8 has subs.

[Onsterfelijke]

10 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

Doesn't D7P have a heal which mainz doesn't?

But not the special heal! that was swapt to the normal one.

[lafeel]

1 minute ago, Onsterfelijke said:

But not the special heal! that was swapt to the normal one.

Even a regular heal is still a considerable improvement over not having a heal at all.

[Ocsimano18]

2 minutes ago, MortuaEst_1 said:

She does but it's an anemic one comparing to what she had before the nerf. Mainz also has 9k more HP so it kinda compensates.

Randoms in divisions is her perfect environment. She is good at focusing fire on BBs/supercruisers due to her fire chance and airstrikes. If that's how you play, then she is decent.

I play mostly ranked and CBs. In a 7vs7 setup with lots of destroyers and cap control, she will struggle due to the lack of hydro and DPM. She has good concealment but she is at the tier where CVs are quite prevalent. Also on PTS she lacked ASW although T8 has subs.

I also think that this is a ship for randoms, but the T8 matchmaking is not really cruiser friendly, as most of the battles will be against T9+ BBs.

[Verblonde]

7 hours ago, totally_potato said:

Maybe worth the buy?

Thoughts?

My feeling is that any premium is a risky purchase until we've seen how much damage submarines do - it's quite possible that the game will be largely unplayable for months (for ever?) after their introduction.

 

In that context, the dockyard isn't a bad way to get at the ship: it'll take several weeks to earn D7P (unless you whale mightily), and by then we should have at least a hint of whether WG have wrecked the game or not, and if they have, no money spent.

 

Of course, there is the (probably unlikely) possibility that the submarines' impact won't be too egregious, in which case hurrah.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 hours ago, totally_potato said:

true but

4k dubs as full discount. Wouldn't call this a cash grab tbf, but yeah, prem better than silver line, we have see that before

The frog getting boiled slowly every time something changes.  4k dubs isnt a discount, it's added cost on top of a grind ^^

[Ocsimano18]

13 minutes ago, Europizza said:

The frog getting boiled slowly every thime something changes.  4k dubs isnt a discount, it's added cost on top of a grind ^^

A year ago we got freely grindable (usually T7) premiums at new line releases. Now you have to pay to get the same. Ok, it's T8 now, but T8 is the new T7 anyway, in terms of battle skill level.

[VenividiviciNL]

1 hour ago, undutchable80 said:

Do you have to buy the 3 phases to start, or can you buy them at the very end when you have done 21? 

 

And yes, that flag looks dope. 

No offence, but you could read the patch notes under NEWS related to the DY event, rather than asking the simplest questions in this Forum. 

[Jvd2000]

I will get it. Ship atleast looks capable, unlike some real mediocre or worse ships recently released. Being an actual ship build and put in use ( finally broken up in 2005 but her sisters ship former De Ruyter/ Almirante Grau is still existing maybe becoming a museum ship in Peru) has its merits.

 

The fact that there is a T5 premium container as an intermediate dockyard reward makes it even easier. Although to be fair getting this reward is not dependent on investing into extra phases since you can grind phase 14 for free.

 

Have 6k doubloons lying around so no money required. So the choice is do I want to finish with 10k doubloons ( just cash in the T5 and don’t finish the Dockyard) or keep my 6k and D7P and 1500 steel. As long as the missions are not overly harsh I wil get here. For 3950D the T8 is a good enough reward as are the extra’s you get at phase 22 and 23.