Missouri Accuracy Nerf?

[nerderklaus]

Was there ever a nerf to the Missouri accuracy? I thought the ship is supposed to have accuracy like Iowa meaning very good for BB standards. I am aware of the fact that I got extremely bad RNG, but still... I didn't play the ship in a while. Even with upgraded accuracy shells are spreading worse than Kurfürst with base accuracy or Musashi with a typical build. I only checked the official WG wiki and I guess "same pros as Iowa" includes good accuracy for a BB.

 

It's so ridiculous when people who even are bad for T10 standards can present overmatchable bows or broadside nonstop at 6-12km, but shells go all over the place. You know, your usual suspects like people with thousands of DD matches who still don't know about radar or cruisers who don't know about bow overmatch or the typical high tier BB that is further away from the enemy than some CVs. Pretty stupid when shells draw a circle around such people.

[lafeel]

19 minutes ago, nerderklaus said:

Was there ever a nerf to the Missouri accuracy

No, there was not.

[Chaoskraehe]

Nope

[SodaBubbles]

[ColonelPete]

Nope.

[Panzerblitz]

5 hours ago, nerderklaus said:

It's so ridiculous when people who even are bad for T10 standards can present overmatchable bows or broadside nonstop at 6-12km, but shells go all over the place. You know, your usual suspects like people with thousands of DD matches who still don't know about radar or cruisers who don't know about bow overmatch or the typical high tier BB that is further away from the enemy than some CVs. Pretty stupid when shells draw a circle around such people.

 

We all have these games once in a while. Where everything goes wrong and RNG hates us. And where we get the juiciest broadside targets, but no citadels. 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Missouri always had worse accuracy than Iowa for example. 

[totally_potato]

7 hours ago, nerderklaus said:

Was there ever a nerf to the Missouri accuracy? I thought the ship is supposed to have accuracy like Iowa meaning very good for BB standards. I am aware of the fact that I got extremely bad RNG, but still... I didn't play the ship in a while. Even with upgraded accuracy shells are spreading worse than Kurfürst with base accuracy or Musashi with a typical build. I only checked the official WG wiki and I guess "same pros as Iowa" includes good accuracy for a BB.

 

It's so ridiculous when people who even are bad for T10 standards can present overmatchable bows or broadside nonstop at 6-12km, but shells go all over the place. You know, your usual suspects like people with thousands of DD matches who still don't know about radar or cruisers who don't know about bow overmatch or the typical high tier BB that is further away from the enemy than some CVs. Pretty stupid when shells draw a circle around such people.

officially no, nothing was nerfed.

But y'know WG can keep secrets from us, so it might have been a stealth nerf. Who knows.

[ColonelPete]

25 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

officially no, nothing was nerfed.

But y'know WG can keep secrets from us, so it might have been a stealth nerf. Who knows.

Please, tell us about all the stealth "nerfs" we had in the past 6 years...

[Yosha_AtaIante]

19 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Please, tell us about all the stealth "nerfs" we had in the past 6 years...

If we look at the CV rework there are stealth nerfs nearly every patch. To list them all would take to long but that's mostly about CVs

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Yosha_nai said:

If we look at the CV rework there are stealth nerfs nearly every patch. To list them all would take to long but that's mostly about CVs

One would be enough.

I know of none that was not announced and kept secret.

[RepSrb]

yess missoury is my most played ship and a credit cow, its stealth nerfed many times over the years, you are correct about it many people noticed that, missoury 2016 and 2021 are not the same,  i dont know why people want it so much  these days and buy stupid crates , its bad bb.

[ElefMan12]

I honestly think there was, they just didnt tell anyone.

[ColonelPete]

49 minutes ago, RepSrb said:

yess missoury is my most played ship and a credit cow, its stealth nerfed many times over the years, you are correct about it many people noticed that, missoury 2016 and 2021 are not the same,  i dont know why people want it so much  these days and buy stupid crates , its bad bb.

Spoiler

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20210731/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

 

[159Hunter]

1 hour ago, RepSrb said:

yess missoury is my most played ship and a credit cow, its stealth nerfed many times over the years, you are correct about it many people noticed that, missoury 2016 and 2021 are not the same,  i dont know why people want it so much  these days and buy stupid crates , its bad bb.

Maybe cause the game has changed ( playerbase, ships, general gameplay changes...)...

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, Yosha_nai said:

Missouri always had worse accuracy than Iowa for example. 

On paper its the same accuracy - same dispersion and sigma. At the same time, both are BBs and both are prone to RNGesus whims as well both aged somewhat poorly with IFHE/Armor changes.

 

Then there is case of shell velocity - while MK7 aren't as slow as MK6 on NorCal/SoDak battleboats, when switching to these guns after getting used to other, higher velocity boomsticks one might indeed notice "where muh ribbons" as shells land behind target or otherwise are dodged away.

[Miscommunication]

10 hours ago, nerderklaus said:

Was there ever a nerf to the Missouri accuracy? I thought the ship is supposed to have accuracy like Iowa meaning very good for BB standards. I am aware of the fact that I got extremely bad RNG, but still... I didn't play the ship in a while. Even with upgraded accuracy shells are spreading worse than Kurfürst with base accuracy or Musashi with a typical build. I only checked the official WG wiki and I guess "same pros as Iowa" includes good accuracy for a BB.

 

It's so ridiculous when people who even are bad for T10 standards can present overmatchable bows or broadside nonstop at 6-12km, but shells go all over the place. You know, your usual suspects like people with thousands of DD matches who still don't know about radar or cruisers who don't know about bow overmatch or the typical high tier BB that is further away from the enemy than some CVs. Pretty stupid when shells draw a circle around such people.

Haha, I remember you from a battle yesterday. You were parked behind an island the entire game and when a Minotaur player rushed you, you trolled your front two turrets into an island and you hadn't predicted for the Minotaur player turning in, meaning that your 3 rear turret shells overpenned his superstructure/upper belt.

 

I think you need to sort your playstyle out before you start blaming the ship.

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 3 Stunden, ColonelPete sagte:

Please, tell us about all the stealth "nerfs" we had in the past 6 years...

We all know that Tirpitz got secretly nerfed several times over the past years, basically in every other patch. Source: German WoWs forum, 45% WR players.

[nerderklaus]

4 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Please, tell us about all the stealth "nerfs" we had in the past 6 years...

First big one was CV rework when all AA got worse, but some more than others, f.e. DM and Hind were comparable before it and now hind is clearly worse than DM, AA

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, nerderklaus said:

First big one was CV rework when all AA got worse, but some more than others, f.e. DM and Hind were comparable before it and now hind is clearly worse than DM, AA

The changes were in the patchnotes. They reworked the WHOLE AA system.

[Taliesn]

2 hours ago, Panocek said:

On paper its the same accuracy - same dispersion and sigma. At the same time, both are BBs and both are prone to RNGesus whims as well both aged somewhat poorly with IFHE/Armor changes.

 

Then there is case of shell velocity - while MK7 aren't as slow as MK6 on NorCal/SoDak battleboats, when switching to these guns after getting used to other, higher velocity boomsticks one might indeed notice "where muh ribbons" as shells land behind target or otherwise are dodged away.

 

Pretty sure Iowa's dispersion is tighter, her salvoes certainly look better to me. Not that Missouri is bad by any stretch.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Taliesn said:

 

Pretty sure Iowa's dispersion is tighter, her salvoes certainly look better to me. Not that Missouri is bad by any stretch.

You can be as sure as you want, it is stil wrong:

https://proships.ru/stat/ru/ships/3131,3126/

Spoiler

 

[Miscommunication]

5 minutes ago, Taliesn said:

 

Pretty sure Iowa's dispersion is tighter, her salvoes certainly look better to me. Not that Missouri is bad by any stretch.

Maybe people taking the reload mod over the accuracy mod?

 

I always take the accuracy mod in US BBs.

[nerderklaus]

1 hour ago, Mavewreck said:

Haha, I remember you from a battle yesterday. You were parked behind an island the entire game and when a Minotaur player rushed you, you trolled your front two turrets into an island and you hadn't predicted for the Minotaur player turning in, meaning that your 3 rear turret shells overpenned his superstructure/upper belt.

 

I think you need to sort your playstyle out before you start blaming the ship.

 

The match was decided by MM before a single second was played with all the other ships on the being useless and me playing alone against half a team on that flank. In typical fashion of a high tier dud the one player doing something is blamed instead of the five who aren't doing anything. This is very special by normal standards, but common in WG games. Your post looks as if you need to celebrate winning a 6vs1 flank even though this took you as long as winning a seriously contested flank. Likewise you are totally overchallenged with someone fighting ship in the center area and using the island to not get crossfired from the flank. In the same way your peanut is probably smoking when trying to understand that a radar ship tries to get in radar range.

 

That Mino showed broadside or straight bow a couple of times to me and others in the most notorious floating citadel in the game. This makes it easy to judge the player. The ship is that rare in randoms, because every tiny mistake (much less than what he did) can be fatal. Later that idiot showed bow at short range and failed to torp that huge BB moving slower than 10kt at short range... Doesn't matter, because other things obviously are more important in this game. Earlier the same match that Mino and his equally incompetent allies needed a couple of minutes to finish of a beached cruiser that already took some damage. Where have you been at that moment? This looked like people struggling to click on the center of stationary ships. These are the kind of people who got to act as if a victory was deserved. This is like some special needs children celebrating a win in a game that was set up to be autowin.

 

I thought people couldn't get worse with the players back in the WOT days. There was no WOWS back then.

[nerderklaus]

51 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

The changes were in the patchnotes. They reworked the WHOLE AA system.

Some AA getting a little worse and other AA getting much worse on same ship class in same tier is a clear nerf. It's pretty obvious with the changes to AA range which effect time under fire for planes attacking the own ship and chances to help other ships with AA.