Submarines in Ranked and Co-op Battles

[ChatBanForSayingTruth]

I didn't read all but i guess a lot of hate in the comments.

 

 

And yes, i'm one of the few who WANTS submarines in game :D

 

Ps, i didnt like RTS CV's and i do like (or at least until numerous nerfs in a row) playing CV's now.

 

I know submarines will be a big imbalance and mess at the start but eventrually they will fit into game.

 

At the end of the day, it's not the ship that annoys me - it's the good (enemy) or potato (my usual teammate) player behind it.

[Zemeritt]

Hmm, subs sure do polarise.

 

I never played ranked and with subs I certainly will not do so.

I just hope WG will get something out of this.

 

I don't expect the subs to be getting a warm welcome.

[gabberworld]

if im not mistaken then they changed that subs cant stay forever  in submerged, as they not have smoke kill them in end its much easier than dds

[Edward101]

2 hours ago, Peffers said:

This really needs  a separate set of operations as described above.  The natural enemy of subs outside the Pacific theater  were mostly corvettes, frigates and of course escort CVs and old DDs deployed to cover convoys.

 

ideas could include :

• early war convoy.low tier.
• Late war.  better ship / boats and escort CVs.  bring back the Bogue etc.
• BB emergence from the fjords
• kill the escorted CV / battle ship
• disrupt the Pacific island invasion.
• Baltic subs : shallow water battles.
• Infiltration.  harbour or similar defences.

As it is I am wavering in respect of playing, this not thought out rubbish could be the final straw.

if only you designed the game.

[Cleghorn____]

I think that subs  will probably cause me to end up stop playing. A great shame, I really enjoy W.O.W.

[Hakssor]

49 minutes ago, Pururut said:

Never thought I would see moderators expecting and enforcing a public forum to act like a professional panel. Laughable.

 

The news mentioned that most of the destroyers and some light cruisers will have ASW capabilities whereas some battleships will be able to call ASW planes. Why a full list of these ships havent been released to the public yet? I can buy a premium ship today only to find out that it will have no means to fight submarines on its own tomorrow. Speaking of ASW can we get more details on it asap? Which destroyers will have access to hedgehog and squid? Are there any news or official response about CVs and their lack of involvement with submarine gameplay? It would be a total waste if Wargaming doesnt pit its favored children against each other. 

From what I've seen none of the American cruisers have any ASW and Congress might appear this Friday. The ship theoretically looks good as a downtiered Alaska and ofc WG can't afford to lose any sells even though the ship one week later would be vulnerable to subs. With a huge hull, Congress is surely a juicy target for T8 subs. I was actually interested in it but having no counterplay against an entire class is surely underwhelming.

 

Using ASW as a balancing factor and leaving some ships without counterplay is surely one of the worst moves WG could do.

[gabberworld]

38 minutes ago, Cleghorn____ said:

I think that subs  will probably cause me to end up stop playing. A great shame, I really enjoy W.O.W.

what a joke man, look when you actually played this game last time

[anonym_SEB5PeCg87Um]

which cruisers will have ASW ?

[Hugh_Ruka]

2 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

Operation Pedestal. Italian, British and German submarines all involved in the one theatre of action. The Pedestal mission involved pretty much *everything* both sides had to throw into the mix. 

 

Sorry NO. Operation Pedestal was a convoy action suitable for a Scenario/Operation type of gameplay but not for any kind of Random battle scenario. The main objective on each side were supply ships, not the enemy fleet itself. Main attack force were AIRCRAFT on both sides ....

 

So try again ...

[Ajantise]

Wows please fix the game:

 

1. Return CV to the previous state.  (no plane factory, but smart management of resources and AA def)

 

2. Delete homing torps for subs, and give them ordinary torps like all other ships have them. (no arcade, but skill in anticipation of position of ships AKA fun)

 

3. Try to make soviet ships more balanced. (It's embarrassing).

[tsounts]

Not only do you allow players with sub 48% winrate in ranked but now you will also throw submarines in for extra flavour.... Why.....  As if battleships weren't already playing like headless chicken now things will get even worst!

[Natha1811]

Honestly .. i spent so far lots of money for this game. Because i dont mind spending and supporting a game that i like. But i am sure the day that the submarines come to the live servers i will quit this game and move on to another game. I did the same before with fifa. I stopped playing it and started to play and invest in wows.

If wargaming is so relentless and so ignorant to the waste opinion of gamers i will just move on without making too much noise.

 

Greetings

 

P.S. To be more constructive : I think submarines make this game which is still struggling to be balanced even more unbalanced. So ?? Whats the purpose of making things more complicated when still busy with trying to balance a game that gets new contents ( ships, captain skills etc . ) with every update ?

 

 

[Gwynbleidd11]

Cant wait for the subs and new ranked season! I'm just ranked from silver league and the only bad thing is that there are 2 weeks break between seasons... 

[Latouche_Treville]

You've got a little bit left in the corner of the mouth

[deathsadow]

15 hours ago, floribe2000 said:

Guys, please stay on topic.

Criticism is fine as long as it is constructive. Posting memes or other stuff to say you don't like it is not really constructive though and is considered to be trolling or provocations.

If you don't like subs, just say it in a simple and constructive way, without insults and maybe even explain why you don't like them.

 

If you have questions why your post was removed please ask a moderator in a PM. Discussion of moderation is not allowed in a public thread.

Repeated offenses may result in more severe consequences.

Just to list the most obvious points:

 

1) We dont want the next big failure like the CW rework was.

2) Each submarine/Team = Less ship/Team to shoot at

3) Homing toprs are even worse idea than letting CVs do 10k+ dmg to DDs with rockets, and has even less counterplay ( Burning youd dmg controll to remove it .... sure in the age of HE its a good idea)

4) If not all ship has ASW Tools it will basically mean those ships willl become unplayable

5) You got much more things to fix in the game so again you are just wasteing your resources while creating problems & not solving them

 

The list could go on & on .. but hey WG wont care anyway.

[ghostbuster_]

It hilarious how mods had to clear this topic. @YabbaCoe community feedback is quite possitive against subs i assume  

Subs in ranked. Yeah WG definitely listen to feedback. Great testing ground you have there. Why dont you test them in kings of the see? Most competitive tournament in wows. Oh wait that was long ago. WG managed to destroy it too. 

[Spartan_Renegade]

If surface ships can just remove the sonar pings with DCP (which is highly abundant in the early game) wouldn't that drastically lower the chances of getting successful torp hits? A 'good' sub match would be maxed out after 5-10 hits and just about any ship that is not from the obese American BB line can outmaneuver them. 

 

 

[gabberworld]

most off you missing one point tho, its only temp when subs comes battles, they not ready yet for research in tech tree. its just another test for see how those new changes what they made work in battles.

 

also why you even care about that they come to coop? for me it is soo boring game-play at there, all the bots movements is soo  predictable

[ghostbuster_]

16 hours ago, floribe2000 said:

Guys, please stay on topic.

Criticism is fine as long as it is constructive. Posting memes or other stuff to say you don't like it is not really constructive though and is considered to be trolling or provocations.

If you don't like subs, just say it in a simple and constructive way, without insults and maybe even explain why you don't like them.

 

If you have questions why your post was removed please ask a moderator in a PM. Discussion of moderation is not allowed in a public thread.

Repeated offenses may result in more severe consequences.

And how many times should we exactly do that? We have been giving constructive feedback about subs for over a year and what was wgs respond? Testing subs in RANKED before introducing them into randoms although general feedback on forums was that subs dont belong to these gamemods. Do you know what happens to our constructive feedback? Thrown into junk.

[Van_Bazel]

Say it again the hunt is open the moment subs enter the game.

I have the honor to command a clan with +- 40 and i will ask all my memebers to  use their daily reports against unsportive players .

No use to tell the moderatators here that we dont want them in coop or ranked.

The guys that can make decissions wont see a page of all this here.

[hellhound666]

18 minutes ago, ghostbuster_ said:

And how many times should we exactly do that? We have been giving constructive feedback about subs for over a year and what was wgs respond? Testing subs in RANKED before introducing them into randoms although general feedback on forums was that subs dont belong to these gamemods. Do you know what happens to our constructive feedback? Thrown into junk.

i seriously doubt that any of that feedback (or any other form that matter) reached developers in piter

[DiceTea]

No Submarines in this game. Not in Ranked. And not in normal. 

Yamato guns will remain the biggest caliber in the game. No cash X ships.

No submarines?

 

The thing is not that the promises pile up. Others, like EA, do this too. But you only make one (3) games. EA makes hundreds, and everytime people "have new faith". People associate feelings more with a game than with a developer.

Companies that have only a few games, e.g. Riot Valorant/League, will never promise anything, so as not to break it.

 

The reason people do not want to actually be proactive any more is that they feel you dont listen anyway. Even Testing, why? Not listened to. AA needs rework. Spotting as well. ´Many many good players leave temporarily or permanently.

 

More on topic: Submarines are detrimental in every sense. The maps are 12x12 designed. You cannot squeeze 2 more on it, yet, if 12 remain, the maps will seem empty. There are room (mapsize), spotting, interaction (sub/dd/cv) and mechanical issues. The air dimension is not implemented in a way that would allow for CV to be competitive. And I saay that as CV player. Now the underwater dimension is added. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Redwing6891]

My five cents...

 

1. The historic arguments so far put forward either before or against submarines in WoWS are, while entertaining, pretty pointless as WoWS itself is not a historic game. It may have been initially in the first open beta but it certainly is not now. It is, to my and others everlasting regret, WoT in ship skins. In my view it would be more appropriate to speculate what tank equivalent this new class has and how it works in WoT. My guess would be something like missile armed scout tanks or possibly artillery but I'd be very happy to listen what others may think.
2. While we may question the soundness of the approach to introduce yet another barely tested element into a game that developers are already struggling to balance, it is what it is. I am sure the company will have done some sort of risk-benefit analysis and concluded that the benefits outweighed the risks on a player numbers / income basis. If that means you or I end up on the wrong side of the balance sheet that is regrettable but you can't please everyone. All what we can do is vote with our feet.
3. I have not played submarines yet as the PTS system does not appeal to me but I may give them a go once released on the full client and see how they play. I might even like them - who knows? I like ships in general (including submarines) so in the worst case I am just happy to admire the usual top-quality artwork. One of the strengths of WoWS is that it can be what I want it to be. And if that is just a virtual cabinet for model ships to look at, that's fine by me, too.

[IlljustcallhimDave]

From what I saw on PTS the problem with subs in co-op is that the bots dive to max depth and stay there until they run out of battery and have to surface, sitting doing nothing for several minutes was so much fun. (That was sarcasm btw)

 

Homing torpedoes are a terrible idea, I was able to torp a BB that was heading behind an island. If I had been in a DD I wouldn't of been able to hit torps.

 

As others have said, WG are determined to put subs in and anything that the community says doesn't matter.

 

This is just going to be another in a long line of WG disasters along with the CV rework, PR and Makarov.

[Hakssor]

@YabbaCoe is there any restriction on the MM to have at least 1 ASW ship in the team? Because right now the only restriction is to have max 2 subs. The way it looks right now one team can have full ASW while the other has nothing. The whole "you have to rely on teammates to help with ASW" is not applicable.

 

So one team can have 2 SS, 3 IJN CA, 2 RU BB and the other 2 SS, 3 KM CA and 2 IJN BB. How is this balanced? Axis vs Allies was scrapped because of the imbalance regarding radar but this is even worse. In one side the subs can do whatever they want while the others will get screwed all the time.