Wargaming Price Gouging

[MrWastee]

Just now, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Because we do.

exactly! they even admitted their testing ground as such, and that's been pay2rico!

 

+ofc they xploit each market to the max in relation to its potential?... i mean, these markets ofc go from national, up to international and stop at continental servers. within these they just need to measure where to put their highest possible mark. and, as the whole industry will go for the max anyways, they rather gonna set it from top to bottom, not the other way round...

[MannequinSkywalker]

2 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

They could sell it here with the Russian price, I wish they did! It's not going to happen, though, because when companies think about pricing and profit margins, they would think about net profits. Would they make a bigger profit if they brought the prices down or not? Since the prices stay consistenly high, it seems the market is at an equilibrium as it is.

 

I don't recommend anyone going on a spending spree, though.

If you are a construction company and you will build a road in an EU country, the offer you give would be higher than the same project in Russia let's say, but why? Because due to all costs. In WG's case, what is their cost of designing a ship? Let's say 100 ruble. I made the number up. That 100 ruble is same all around world. That is the cost. It won't change. Now, since this is a digital product, does tax apply to it? No. Transportation? No. So, in reality they just sell it to different customers at any price they want. To you 6 dollars, to you 15, you? i don't like you, you have lots of money you pay 30 dollars. Rip offff.

 

And i don't recommend either.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

12 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

I really hate this Digital goods at a loss concept. Realistically it took them less then 30 days to make the ship stat it and then test it. As a majority of the testing is done by FREE LABOR, there is no cost in this. The problem I have is that if WG really cared about "Profit" they would want to recoup the initial cost of the project as quickly as they could so that every sale after that point generates revenue. Problem is when your price point is Lambo pricing in NA for a something you charge Fiat prices for in RU it is a bit of a put off and you end up losing market viability in those regions you are charging more. Again their is 0 profit in 0 sales. Now please understand I have no problem paying more for something that comes from another region, but 86% and 57% respectively is just outrageous.

 

 

 

I think that's exactly what WG wants to do, meaning they want to recoup the developments as fast as they can so they can get into the 'pure profit' phase as quickly as soon as they can. Sadly, I don't think they would be able to adjust pricing in the sense that they could bring the prices down after a certain period because that would not be fair to the customers who bought the ships early on.

 

11 minutes ago, Pandafaust said:

Well, that's me convinced.  Can someone send me a notification when the manifesto is written up demanding unified pricing of all software and non-physical services worldwide, set at the rate which would have been charged in Zimbabwe in the late 2000s?

 

What are you, a Samsonite spokesman?

 

10 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

exactly! they even admitted their testing ground as such, and that's been pay2rico!

 

+ofc they xploit each market to the max in relation to its potential?... i mean, these markets ofc go from national, up to international and stop at continental servers. within these they just need to measure where to put their highest possible mark. and, as the whole industry will go for the max anyways, they rather gonna set it from top to bottom, not the other way round...

 

Most of the marketing is smoke and mirrors, they need that to create the 'need' or the 'demand' for all sorts of stuff people don't really need. We don't need these ships. Why we buy them?

 

8 minutes ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

If you are a construction company and you will build a road in an EU country, the offer you give would be higher than the same project in Russia let's say, but why? Because due to all costs. In WG's case, what is their cost of designing a ship? Let's say 100 ruble. I made the number up. That 100 ruble is same all around world. That is the cost. It won't change. Now, since this is a digital product, does tax apply to it? No. Transportation? No. So, in reality they just sell it to different customers at any price they want. To you 6 dollars, to you 15, you? i don't like you, you have lots of money you pay 30 dollars. Rip offff.

 

And i don't recommend either.

 

Well, the companies tend to think in terms of profit margins and net profits. They have certain targets to meet. It's true, when it comes to WG, the cost of development is the same for the whole 'global' market. Marketing and staffing, as well as maintanence costs might vary, though. Keep in mind those will be higher in the NA and EU markets than what they are in Russia.

[ColonelPete]

38 minutes ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

I don't understand how you don't get this seriously. It's like, let's say you are @Karasu_Hidesuke German and i am Russian and we are in Moscov. We go to a store and like a nice Zippo. We both want to buy one, the seller asks where we are from. We reply and seller says okay Karasu, 20 Euro for you, and tells me 10 Euro for you. Ofc you ask why? He says, well, you are from  Germany, it is a richer country, you have more money to milk. So i ask more from you...

Fun fact, there are countries were people demand different prices for their goods, depending on who you are.

 

[The_Chiv]

5 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I think that's exactly what WG wants to do, meaning they want to recoup the developments as fast as they can so they can get into the 'pure profit' phase as quickly as soon as they can. Sadly, I don't think they would be able to adjust pricing in the sense that they could bring the prices down after a certain period because that would not be fair to the customers who bought the ships early on.

You would think but their pricing and upscaling makes 0 logical sense because again their is 0 profit from 0 sales at 139 usd. More sales would mean a quicker path to profit.

[MannequinSkywalker]

14 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Well, the companies tend to think in terms of profit margins and net profits. They have certain targets to meet. It's true, when it comes to WG, the cost of development is the same for the whole 'global' market. Marketing and staffing, as well as maintanence costs might vary, though. Keep in mind those will be higher in the NA and EU markets than what they are in Russia.

But also the amount of sales will be higher in NA and EU compared to RU which would easily cover up the differences. The point here is how can we rip off more for a digi product so we can make more profit. More more more. In WG's case, the more is endless. Final Fantasy Remake triple A game, 59.99 USD. What can you buy here with that much?

[MannequinSkywalker]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Fun fact, there are countries were people demand different prices for their goods, depending on who you are.

 

We discussed it 3 pages ago sunshine.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, MannequinSkywalker said:

We discussed it 3 pages ago sunshine.

I did not know 45 minutes were too late for an answer.

But I am glad someone else educated you already.

[MannequinSkywalker]

Vor 10 Stunden, ColonelPete sagte:

I did not know 45 minutes were too late for an answer.

Now you learned.

Zitat

But I am glad someone else educated you already.

edit

[Karasu_Browarszky]

8 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

You would think but their pricing and upscaling makes 0 logical sense because again their is 0 profit from 0 sales at 139 usd. More sales would mean a quicker path to profit.

 

If it is 0 sales, then WG must be happy with 0 sales... which leads me to suspect it really isn't 0 sales, or if it is, hope you aren't too fond of the NA servers...

 

8 minutes ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

But also the amount of sales will be higher in NA and EU compared to RU which would easily cover up the differences. The point here is how can we rip off more for a digi product so we can make more profit. More more more. In WG's case, the more is endless. Final Fantasy Remake triple A game, 59.99 USD. What can you buy here with that much?

 

We don't know if the amount of sales is higher or not, it will also depend on how large is their market share and how are their sales relative to that. Their profits come from that, and that is the reason for different pricing for each market. Single player games, again, work differently. Online games are always a ongoing concern.

[ColonelPete]

Vor 10 Stunden, MannequinSkywalker sagte:

Now you learned.

I will remind you in time

Vor 10 Stunden, MannequinSkywalker sagte:

edit

Your desperate yacking it too entertaining.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I did not know 45 minutes were too late for an answer.

But I am glad someone else educated you already.

 

Sometimes this thread moves in leaps and bounds.

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

2 hours ago, The_Chiv said:

Now if I convert each currency to USD and compare what you will see is pretty shocking

It is the same for all virtual goods in all games. Prices differ from region to region. This is not a WG invention.

[MannequinSkywalker]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

I will remind you in time

Deal

[The_Chiv]

10 minutes ago, Von_Pruss said:

It is the same for all virtual goods in all games. Prices differ from region to region. This is not a WG invention.

I get that concept and the issue is not price difference but 86% and 57% difference.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Just now, The_Chiv said:

I get that concept and the issue is not price difference but 86% and 57% difference.

 

It may actually even be favourable...

[Panocek]

6 hours ago, The_Chiv said:

I get that concept and the issue is not price difference but 86% and 57% difference.

Wargaming like any other company understands and speaks only one language, money. And given their "ripoff" prices for "western" customers always were like that, it means people are okay paying those, otherwise they would have backed down with gouging.

[The_Chiv]

6 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Wargaming like any other company understands and speaks only one language, money. And given their "ripoff" prices for "western" customers always were like that, it means people are okay paying those, otherwise they would have backed down with gouging.

So fun fact that I just found out. If you are are from NA and you got to WOWS eu premium store via browser it shows all prices in dollars, Same with CIS. Now for me the prices came out to be 139 NA, 127 EU, and 99 for CIS. But this did not match up what I saw in  iearlgrey's video. So I popped on a  vpn set locations for London. And the EU price matched what was shown. I could not get a stable vpn connection out of any country in the CIS region so I could not check that but I would assume it would come out to 5492 rubles or 75 usd. So not only is there a pay differential via region but there is also another layer of added grifting to punish those who play on other servers.

[Hakssor]

I'm not surprised. Russian server also gets more freebies, events and more attention from the devs. 

 

 

At least Steam has it per country but here East Europe countries are screwed because they have the same purchasing power as Russians but they get EU prices. 

 

If you are from EU but you know Russian I guess it's a no brainer to play on the CIS. 

[The_Chiv]

32 minutes ago, MortuaEst_1 said:

I'm not surprised. Russian server also gets more freebies, events and more attention from the devs. 

 

 

At least Steam has it per country but here East Europe countries are screwed because they have the same purchasing power as Russians but they get EU prices. 

 

If you are from EU but you know Russian I guess it's a no brainer to play on the CIS. 

You will still play more unless you are also playing through a vpn which at that point you are talking about some nasty ping.

 

[Hakssor]

16 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

You will still play more unless you are also playing through a vpn which at that point you are talking about some nasty ping.

 

Even without VPN the difference is substantial.

Anyway WG won't change a thing because the biggest communities are German & French. The rest of Europe is probably peanuts. 

[Yedwy]

There is one way to vote about this and that is by not buying the said goods

[Ronchabale]

Few years back when the game was in a much better state prices were high but still not insane

WG being WG have ruined this and cash grabbing has become the name of the game

At the moment prices are way too high for pixel "goods" in an insane pixel world

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Ronchabale said:

Few years back when the game was in a much better state prices were high but still not insane

WG being WG have ruined this and cash grabbing has become the name of the game

At the moment prices are way too high for pixel "goods" in an insane pixel world

Prices did not change. Goods for sale changed.

[Ronchabale]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Prices did not change. Goods for sale changed.

State of the "world" u are buying these "goods" into has changed a lot (not to the better) and for me this makes said "goods" way more expensive