Is Agir Still Worth It? T9 Gneisenau?

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

Oh I was about to forget ! on Agir you have 1 less charge of repair party... so superintendent is suggested. 

[Skyl2aider]

1 hour ago, DaBung said:

I have been saving XP for over a year now and am nearly at 1 million. My intention has been to get Agir with it, so my question is is it worth it? Any good reasons to get or not get it?

 

It seems to me to be the closest thing to a high tier Gneisenau (probably my favourite ship) short of Siegfried (which I do also want). Am I misunderstanding it? Is there any similarity in reality? 

Cheers. 

If you want a supercruiser you might want to wait and see if Carnot is gonna be fxp. Otherwise Agir is decent enough, solid but not special.

[Prophecy82]

1 minute ago, AxisMarine said:

I can't wait to get her, I'm regrinding ita BB line currently, then just 1 regrind left  

 

Imho Siegfried and Paolo are atm. the only 2 Ships really worth getting in the Sealclub-bureau. 

 

The rest are nice too but dont provide anything really new. 

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

2 minuti fa, Prophecy82 ha scritto:

 

Imho Siegfried and Paolo are atm. the only 2 Ships really worth getting in the Sealclub-bureau. 

 

The rest are nice too but dont provide anything really new. 

I agree, I might go for the yolo emilio next... it will depends on my will of regrinding lines ^^.

[Miscommunication_dept]

2 hours ago, Prophecy82 said:

 

Imho Siegfried and Paolo are atm. the only 2 Ships really worth getting in the Sealclub-bureau. 

 

The rest are nice too but dont provide anything really new. 

Paolo is still the number one for uniqueness and fun, probably not the most competitive though.

 

Druid also a very fun ship and very different to anything else in the game.

 

I'm not sure that I would still recommend Siegfried. IMO Slava does close to the same job, better.

Of course Slava is a T10 BB and Siegfried a T9 supercruiser.

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

2 minuti fa, gopher31 ha scritto:

Paolo is still the number one for uniqueness and fun, probably not the most competitive though.

 

Druid also a very fun ship and very different to anything else in the game.

 

I'm not sure that I would still recommend Siegfried. IMO Slava does close to the same job, better.

Of course Slava is a T10 BB and Siegfried a T9 supercruiser.

I mean, can't say you're wrong... but I will take the Siegfried anyway because she is tier IX ( I hate tier X, worse tier in the game IMO ) and because I'm a german ship lover, I'm addicted to that sexiness 

[Prophecy82]

11 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Paolo is still the number one for uniqueness and fun, probably not the most competitive though.

Agreed.

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Druid also a very fun ship and very different to anything else in the game.

Actually thats the ship Im the least interested in. I got Vampire II and so far it was only OKish

 

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I'm not sure that I would still recommend Siegfried. IMO Slava does close to the same job, better.

Of course Slava is a T10 BB and Siegfried a T9 supercruiser.

Personally Im not a fan of T10. 

And clubbing T7s in Siegfried is quite the guilty pleasure (did I mention that it can devstrike Sinops in one salvo?).

Btw. Slava has quite a nasty horizontal dispersion, Siegfried doesnt. 

 

IMO: A buff to Siegfrieds Secondaries (like pre Cap-Rework) would actually nerf its WR, since ppl would be more willing to make use of them and in doing so die earlier.

[Ze_Reckless]

Ägir is the most fun if you know how to get close and personal without getting killed instantly. This is much easier to do with Gneisenau due to an easier mid-tier meta.

 

Ägir can take huge hits from anything that is thrown at her (big target, weak armour, long fire duration) so there isn't much room for mistakes. It's fun if you like a challenge.

 

Can't remember the max secondary range (10 km?) but the top grade gunner skill can be a good buff to the main guns if you tend to play more aggressively. And to be honest if you don't like to play aggressively don't bother and just get Azuma.

 

The torpedoes are nice to have but not very useful, the launch angles are towards the rear and you don't have many of them. The guns however, they can really slap things.

[HansRoaming]

I play mainly coop as love the brawling German BBs and Agir is my goto cruiser at T9, it's fun.

[tocqueville8]

21 hours ago, DaBung said:

My intention has been to get Agir with it, so my question is is it worth it? Any good reasons to get or not get it?

 

It seems to me to be the closest thing to a high tier Gneisenau (probably my favourite ship) short of Siegfried (which I do also want). Am I misunderstanding it? Is there any similarity in reality? 

The Gneisenau has a 50 mm deck, which is all but impervious to cruiser HE spam, and an icebreaker bow that will bounce some high caliber AP. Also, a good turtleback for citadel protection.

 

The Agir has none of these things: the deck is only 30 mm (a Worcester or an Akizuki can pen it without taking IFHE), there is no icebreaker (27 mm bow plating will shatter 15''/380 mm AP shells, but not larger ones) and the citadel is fairly easy to reach.

Personally, I don't have the Agir, I could easily afford the Agir, but I don't want her: she's just not scary to me, she's not a hard-to-deal-with ship.

 

Unless you're in a DD, camping inside your smoke, and the Agir charges you with that 6 km hydro, or you're in a cruiser and you show broadside at mid range (you shouldn't do that in front of anyone...), imho she's just not a big threat. No radar, either.

 

Unlike the Odin, which has a 32 mm bow and therefore can brawl most high tier BBs (provided she's not being crossfired), the Agir will get obliterated through the bow by any Iowa, Soyuz, Amagi or République captain that knows what he's doing.

 

TL; DR:

The Odin may be undergunned, but armor-wise she is a battleship. The Agir is a cruiser, and thus much more vulnerable.

 

Cheers

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

11 ore fa, tocqueville8 ha scritto:

The Gneisenau has a 50 mm deck, which is all but impervious to cruiser HE spam, and an icebreaker bow that will bounce some high caliber AP. Also, a good turtleback for citadel protection.

 

The Agir has none of these things: the deck is only 30 mm (a Worcester or an Akizuki can pen it without taking IFHE), there is no icebreaker (27 mm bow plating will shatter 15''/380 mm AP shells, but not larger ones) and the citadel is fairly easy to reach.

Personally, I don't have the Agir, I could easily afford the Agir, but I don't want her: she's just not scary to me, she's not a hard-to-deal-with ship.

 

Unless you're in a DD, camping inside your smoke, and the Agir charges you with that 6 km hydro, or you're in a cruiser and you show broadside at mid range (you shouldn't do that in front of anyone...), imho she's just not a big threat. No radar, either.

 

Unlike the Odin, which has a 32 mm bow and therefore can brawl most high tier BBs (provided she's not being crossfired), the Agir will get obliterated through the bow by any Iowa, Soyuz, Amagi or République captain that knows what he's doing.

 

TL; DR:

The Odin may be undergunned, but armor-wise she is a battleship. The Agir is a cruiser, and thus much more vulnerable.

 

Cheers

It is true, with Agir you're not here to tank, it is a different way of fighting: 

- you should artillery fight close to your concealment range in order to disappear quickly when needed and to maximize your guns perfomance 

- unlike some BBs you're not made for a "sustained brawl", Agir excels in what I would call "instantaneous brawl".

You need to position yourself so that you only need to tank for 1-3km before lauching Agir's torpedos and doing a drive by.

Odin is tankier... but it's the only thing that goes for her, she is so trash IMO. I would take Agir over Odin any day of the week.

[Itwastuesday]

Well the question is what are your other options for 1m fxp? What else would you want? 

[tocqueville8]

52 minutes ago, AxisMarine said:

Odin is tankier... but it's the only thing that goes for her, she is so trash IMO. I would take Agir over Odin any day of the week.

I'm not especially fond of the Odin, and I barely ever play her, but as far as T8 ships go she's a clear overperformer for me.

 

The Agir...I'm sure I'd do okay with her, but I basically never thought to myself "oh crap, they have an Agir on this flank", that's my point.

 

I understand your argument about "sustained brawls" vs "instantaneous brawls", but to me the advantage of good secondaries is in multitasking, as in "I can use them to damage and set fire to this BB that overextended in front of me, while I use my main guns to blap that cruiser 6 km behind".

What you describe is something that has to use terrain to get close and then charges to deliver those torps: it's fine, and situationally very strong, but you kind of need to isolate yourself from the fight before you go for it, I reckon.

 

To be clear: I would've gotten the Agir anyway, normally, but I'm saving the Free XP to buy my way into more Research Bureau points.

I'm at least mildly interested in all the ships (I only have the Emilio and Colbert so far), as well as some Legendary Upgrades (I recently got the one for the Kleber, and I don't regret it).

 

Cheers.

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

54 minuti fa, tocqueville8 ha scritto:

I'm not especially fond of the Odin, and I barely ever play her, but as far as T8 ships go she's a clear overperformer for me.

 

The Agir...I'm sure I'd do okay with her, but I basically never thought to myself "oh crap, they have an Agir on this flank", that's my point.

 

I understand your argument about "sustained brawls" vs "instantaneous brawls", but to me the advantage of good secondaries is in multitasking, as in "I can use them to damage and set fire to this BB that overextended in front of me, while I use my main guns to blap that cruiser 6 km behind".

What you describe is something that has to use terrain to get close and then charges to deliver those torps: it's fine, and situationally very strong, but you kind of need to isolate yourself from the fight before you go for it, I reckon.

 

To be clear: I would've gotten the Agir anyway, normally, but I'm saving the Free XP to buy my way into more Research Bureau points.

I'm at least mildly interested in all the ships (I only have the Emilio and Colbert so far), as well as some Legendary Upgrades (I recently got the one for the Kleber, and I don't regret it).

 

Cheers.

I had not so good experience with Odin to be honest, I greatly prefer a Bismarck class BB, even the Tirpitz without hydro. Other than that, I agree 100% with you, especially the part where you speak about using terrain in Agir and ghosting for a bit during the battle. 

cheers :) 

[The_Chiv]

So I love the Agir, I love Super cruisers and all have all but the Stalingrad(coming soon tm) and the Azuma(have no plans to ever get)

 

Alaska

 

Kron

 

While Alaska has more games played, more ships killed(6) and more damage, it falls behind in terms of average damage, and win rate. Agir is a very Tactical ship that can do some amazing things. 

[lafeel]

Still very much worth it if you ask me. Although I may be slightly biased due to having, until recently (cancer got him) a uncle by the same name.

[Skyl2aider]

On 7/27/2021 at 1:50 PM, Prophecy82 said:

 

Imho Siegfried and Paolo are atm. the only 2 Ships really worth getting in the Sealclub-bureau. 

 

The rest are nice too but dont provide anything really new. 

Vampire II is very very strong and most likely edges out both of these ships. It has special hydro and crawling smoke which is pretty unique and powerful at tier 10. 

[Prophecy82]

1 hour ago, Skyl2aider said:

Vampire II is very very strong and most likely edges out both of these ships. It has special hydro and crawling smoke which is pretty unique and powerful at tier 10. 

 

Its a strong ship, no doubt.

But personally: 

 

a) Daring can do the same except for the hydro trick and has heal, which is very valuable for a DD. 

 

b) I really dont like T10 battles... most of my T10s are sadly port-queens, so I get more out of the T9s since I can play them more often without being disgusted by the T10-Idiots. 

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

18 ore fa, lafeel ha scritto:

Still very much worth it if you ask me. Although I may be slightly biased due to having, until recently (cancer got him) a uncle by the same name.

Sorry to hear that man, condolences.

[DaBung]

On 7/28/2021 at 10:18 AM, Itwastuesday said:

Well the question is what are your other options for 1m fxp? What else would you want? 

There aren’t any pure fxp ships I am interested in other than Agir. If I didn’t get it I would just use the fxp to fast track some lines (mainly skip roon 😑), but credits are limiting me just as much as XD anyway. 
 

it’s 5 T10 you need to unlock the research bureau right?

 

[tocqueville8]

54 minutes ago, DaBung said:

it’s 5 T10 you need to unlock the research bureau right?

Yes, and you get 10k points as a bonus the first time.

 

Apparently, you can reset a line, research it with free xp, not buy it, then once the 2x bonus reloads in 3 months you reset it again and research it again, and this should give you a 4x bonus when you finally buy the ships and play them.

You wouldn't have to wait 3 months in practice: you can wait until the last day to activate the first bonus, then complete the job the next day, when it reloads.

 

I haven't tried it yet, but if it works (you'd basically be stacking the 2x reset bonuses), that's over 40k RB points for about 1.3M free xp (if you reset a DD line) and half as many credits as you would normally spend.

Throw in the initial 10k points, and you can already buy yourself a Siegfried or a Paolo Emilio.

[DaBung]

Is it only line T10 ships that count towards unlocking the RB or do coal/steel ships as well?  

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

22 minuti fa, DaBung ha scritto:

Is it only line T10 ships that count towards unlocking the RB or do coal/steel ships as well?  

only line T10 ships ;) 

[DaBung]

Apparently Napoli just got released for coal, sounds like it might be a better brawly/pushing cruiser than Agir? 

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

32 minuti fa, DaBung ha scritto:

Apparently Napoli just got released for coal, sounds like it might be a better brawly/pushing cruiser than Agir? 

I'm watching Flamuu playing Napoli right now... those secondaries doesn't look impressive... no where near Agir's test version.