Why does Groningen not have a Radar?

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

Here are my Qs; Why do they remove them in the first place if they will keep bringing back the ships they removed from sales, armory, etc. (and not talking about the fake inflation)?

Consider Groningen, why remove Friesland if you're gonna introduce the same ship under a different name months later? Or why add Groningen if you already removed Friesland?

Then, why did you remove Friesland in the first place WG? And when you think like that, OP has a point about expecting a ship with different chars. Because, tbh, adding an identical ship to tech tree with another name is simply stupid.

Because WG and many players want a Dutch ship in the Dutch tree.

[Adm_Andre]

Vor 12 Stunden, HentaiVeteran sagte:

We already have Friesland with Hydroacoustic Search why not replace the Hydroacoustic Search of Groningen for Radar and the Defensive AA replace with a Speed booster?

 

https://www.wows-gamer-blog.com/2021/07/groningen-dutch-tier-ix-premium.html

I am surprised that Groningen will receive a distinct premium camouflage, thought they will only photoshop Frieslands D812 to D813 for Groningen.

 

And in theory there are 6 other ships of the Friesland-class left...

[fumtu]

2 hours ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

Here are my Qs; Why do they remove them in the first place if they will keep bringing back the ships they removed from sales, armory, etc. (and not talking about the fake inflation)?

 

Because they are over performing popular.

 

2 hours ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

Consider Groningen, why remove Friesland if you're gonna introduce the same ship under a different name months later? Or why add Groningen if you already removed Friesland?

Then, why did you remove Friesland in the first place WG?

 

Well if you bothered to do your own research you will know the answer on this question. But anyway ... Friesland is a Dutch ship in the PE tree and as we are getting separate Dutch line, it should be moved to that line instead. But that would create a number of issues that should be solved, and WG decided to go with the most convenient way for them and that is to leave Friesland in the PE tree while removing it from armory/story and introduce the same ship, under different name, in the Dutch tree. So you have option to either exchange your Friesland for Groningen, keepr your Friesland and, if you really want its duplicate in the Dutch line, go for Groningen. And Friesland would not return as there is no need for it to return. If you want Dutch DD, you can get Groningen which is the same as Friesland.

 

2 hours ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

And when you think like that, OP has a point about expecting a ship with different chars. Because, tbh, adding an identical ship to tech tree with another name is simply stupid.

 

Only because he is completely ignoring why WG is adding Groningen in the first place. And it is stupid IF you choose to ignore the reason why WG is doing this. Groningen is not a "new" premium, it is fix for issue created by separating Dutch ships from PE tree.

 

[MannequinSkywalker]

1 hour ago, fumtu said:

Friesland is a Dutch ship in the PE tree and as we are getting separate Dutch line, it should be moved to that line instead.

So with the same logic, when a Swedish line is introduced in the feature, WG should make identical copies of all the Swedish ships in PE line and put the name changed clones to the new Swedish line. And this makes sense to you? How fun it would be to have identical ships populating the game in different lines, wouldn't it? Amazing.

[fumtu]

5 minutes ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

So with the same logic, when a Swedish line is introduced in the feature, WG should make identical copies of all the Swedish ships in PE line and put the name changed clones to the new Swedish line.

 

If we get Swedish line at all.

 

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And this makes sense to you? How fun it would be to have identical ships populating the game in different lines, wouldn't it? Amazing.

 

For what WG is doing with Friesland? Sure, why not. WG could do it on different way but they decided to do it on this way. AND THE ONLY RESON WE ARE GETTING GRONINGEN IS BECAUSE THAT DECISION. If they just moved Friesland there would not be Groningen at all.

[MannequinSkywalker]

3 minutes ago, fumtu said:

For what WG is doing with Friesland? Sure, why not. WG could do it on different way but they decided to do it on this way. AND THE ONLY RESON WE ARE GETTING GRONINGEN IS BECAUSE THAT DECISION. If they just moved Friesland there would not be Groningen at all.

Fair enough, it may sound logical to you while it doesn't to me. For the sake of having a fun game play experience, I'd rather see differences in the ships even though they would be the same class rather than seeing same ships in different nations/lines under different names.

[fumtu]

Just now, MannequinSkywalker said:

I'd rather see differences in the ships even though they would be the same class rather than seeing same ships in different nations/lines under different names.

 

You do know there is other 6 ships in the class that could be introduced in the game in different forms, do you? Eventually we could see, for example, Utrecht in completely different configuration than Friesland/Groningen. Groningen is solution for the problem WG created in the first place. If you want Groningem you can get it, if you have Friesland you don't need it. It is up to you. So what is a problem there? Game is not always what you want, you know? If you want a Friesland class in different configuration then just have some patience and you will get it eventually. 

[CastorTolagi]

Vor 13 Minuten, MannequinSkywalker sagte:

Fair enough, it may sound logical to you while it doesn't to me. For the sake of having a fun game play experience, I'd rather see differences in the ships even though they would be the same class rather than seeing same ships in different nations/lines under different names.

Saipan = Sanzang

Alsace = Wujing

Boise = Nueve de Julio

Gallant = Juruá

Nürnberg = Makarov

Albany = Almirante Abreu

Omaha = Murmansk

[Ubertron_X]

2 minutes ago, CastorTolagi said:

Omaha = Murmansk

*cough* Russian torpedoes *cough*

[MannequinSkywalker]

Is there a single difference between Takao-Atago (all arp clones for that matter)?

Boise and Nueve de Julio? No (and no, don't care if they are under different nations and the history of who gave the same ship to who).

Well, at least not all clones are same, for instance, NY and Texas are clones but with a gun mount difference and AA which is fine.

B clones or Lima clones or yukikaze and kagero cloning with minimal differences but when you count all clones, there is maybe more than a hundred ships that are either fully identical or with small differences and for my taste, this much cloning is more than enough already. <--

9 minutes ago, fumtu said:

So what is a problem there?

^^

 

[MannequinSkywalker]

12 minutes ago, CastorTolagi said:

Saipan = Sanzang

Alsace = Wujing

Boise = Nueve de Julio

Gallant = Juruá

Nürnberg = Makarov

Albany = Almirante Abreu

Omaha = Murmansk

They have their differences except that some are identical. And even a different gimmick is fine to a point. But what is the point, of having an exact same ship in different lines?

 

Soon;

 

[CastorTolagi]

No, they are all 1:1 copies with nothing different (apart from Murmansk which has indeed different torps as @Ubertron_X said and Makarov is the old Nürnberg C that was removed a few patches ago)

[fumtu]

2 minutes ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

They have their differences except the some are identical. And even a different gimmick is fine to a point. But what is the point, of having an exact same ship in different lines?

 

You are ignoring how some of those ships are added to the game and why

 

4 minutes ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

Is there a single difference between Takao-Atago (all arp clones for that matter)?

 

There is no difference between APR versions and their counterparts. But those ships are product of cooperation between two companies and we don't know what are conditions of the agreement between them. Maybe owners of ARP didn't want changed ships or WG refused to provide it. Who knows

 

4 minutes ago, MannequinSkywalker said:

Boise and Nueve de Julio? No (and no, don't care if they are under different nations and the history of who gave the same ship to who).

 

Boise is result of backlash, mostly from NA community, because not that glorious history of NdJ. So WG give Boise as an option for those who can't get over the fact that NdJ was a prison ship in Argentine. 

 

So just like with Friesland/Groningen there are exception because of this or that reason. And there is a reason why Friesland and Groningen are same and it is already mentioned several times. 

 

 

 

 

[MannequinSkywalker]

Just now, fumtu said:

 

You are ignoring how some of those ships are added to the game and why

 

 

There is no difference between APR versions and their counterparts. But those ships are product of cooperation between two companies and we don't know what are conditions of the agreement between them. Maybe owners of ARP didn't want changed ships or WG refused to provide it. Who knows

 

 

Boise is result of backlash, mostly from NA community, because not that glorious history of NdJ. So WG give Boise as an option for those who can't get over the fact that NdJ was a prison ship in Argentine. 

 

So just like with Friesland/Groningen there are exception because of this or that reason. And there is a reason why Friesland and Groningen are same and it is already mentioned several times. 

 

 

 

 

I am not ignoring why they are added, and i can guess the reasons of 'why' but i am not stuck into why. WG probably keeps cloning ships because it is incomparably easier than a new design and prolly makes good money out of this which doesn't change my opinion and which i don't really care about much. I wrote this much cloning is more than enough for me at this point, don't get stuck in 'whys', i past it a page ago.

[ghostbuster_]

16 hours ago, HentaiVeteran said:

We already have Friesland with Hydroacoustic Search why not replace the Hydroacoustic Search of Groningen for Radar and the Defensive AA replace with a Speed booster?

 

https://www.wows-gamer-blog.com/2021/07/groningen-dutch-tier-ix-premium.html

stealth radar? nope. 

smoke+stealth radar? wtf are you talking about...

[YabbaCoe]

17 hours ago, HentaiVeteran said:

We already have Friesland with Hydroacoustic Search why not replace the Hydroacoustic Search of Groningen for Radar and the Defensive AA replace with a Speed booster?

 

https://www.wows-gamer-blog.com/2021/07/groningen-dutch-tier-ix-premium.html

Groningen will be the copy of Friesland, so it will have all the stats and consumables the same.

[AkerJack]

18 hours ago, HentaiVeteran said:

I know she's a copy of Friesland but she has no Torpedoes like Smaland why not give it different consumables.

I already own Friesland because she's a Dutch ship but buying exact same ship is unappealing to me. 

Actually it is not a ship for those who already have Friesland, is for those that will get her copy after she will be removed. At the beginning Friesland should have been moved to the Dutch tech tree losing Swirsky captain, so, they decided to do a copy/paste of the ship in the new tech tree and removing Friesland, so no captain change needed.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

27 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Groningen will be the copy of Friesland, so it will have all the stats and consumables the same.

Great answer lol, i dont think he understood that ^^ O wait.

[Aurynn]

Hmm...

 

OP goes to a different country and buys McDonald's...

 

OP: What is this?!?! I am in a different country. I do not want bread on my Big Mac! I want what you have here. If I wanted bread I would get Big Mac from my country!. 

 

 

[Horatio_Hornblaeser]

Vor 5 Stunden, MannequinSkywalker sagte:

Fair enough, it may sound logical to you while it doesn't to me. For the sake of having a fun game play experience, I'd rather see differences in the ships even though they would be the same class rather than seeing same ships in different nations/lines under different names.

Groningen was created as a clone of Friesland, because people didn't like WG moving that ship to the new dutch nation, which was the initial plan. So, for the dutch to get their dd, WG decided after those complains to clone her and put the sister ship to the dutch nation, while making Friesland as an eu ship unavailible.

And now you are complaining about the fact, that WG changed their plan on behalf of complains of other players. gg

[FlyingBender]

36 minutos antes, Horatio_Hornblaeser dijo:

Groningen was created as a clone of Friesland, because people didn't like WG moving that ship to the new dutch nation, which was the initial plan. So, for the dutch to get their dd, WG decided after those complains to clone her and put the sister ship to the dutch nation, while making Friesland as an eu ship unavailible.

And now you are complaining about the fact, that WG changed their plan on behalf of complains of other players. gg

I would like move my friesland to dutch tree, but no without her captain.

[Horatio_Hornblaeser]

Vor 3 Minuten, Bender76048k sagte:

I would like move my friesland to dutch tree, but no without her captain.

Had no issue with moving my Friesland either, but i don't bother about the solution WG chose.

[Dan7e_DMC]

On 7/25/2021 at 3:03 PM, ColonelPete said:

She is supposed to be a copy of Friesland.

And stealth radar, especially from smoke, is bad for the game.

Tell that to the Black, Plymouth, Belfast, any other RN CL that divs with a smoke DD.

[159Hunter]

2 hours ago, HMCS_Halifax said:

Tell that to the Black, Plymouth, Belfast,

So because it is already in game it should be considered good practice?

2 hours ago, HMCS_Halifax said:

any other RN CL that divs with a smoke DD.

Comparing solo play with div play. I guess we can move goalposts an entire length of a soccer field

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, HMCS_Halifax said:

Tell that to the Black, Plymouth, Belfast, any other RN CL that divs with a smoke DD.

I do to the ships, not the division.

But it looks like we have another one who considers these ships to be good for the game.