LWM Needs Help: Crowd-Sourced Missouri Data

[Andrewbassg]

54 minutes ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

+1

 

Okey dokey let's have some fun then :)

54 minutes ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

Where did i say she is guilty of anything?

 

Erm......

2 hours ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

.... and rather sounds like finding excuses

Well, this doesn't sound like the regular "kiss your hand demoiselle" .Could be wrong, and  I'm not ruling out cultural and... other "taste" related differences, but......I'm not preferring a whip. Still, I'm....not judging.... juust sayin.  

 

54 minutes ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

How is this relevant to the discussion? We were not talking about whether WG was transparent or not in the first place.

Oh it is very relevant. Because we talk in the broader context of Weegee's past history and past behaviour.

54 minutes ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

I do know she is not the deciding agency and did you read and understand all my comments? If you read between the lines, you understand what someone really means, or what is really happening in a situation, even though it is not said openly. In our case, if LWM thinks what is really happening is as she described in 4 bullets, i disagree with the way she reads the lines and say that that's not what's happening between the lines. She is misinterpreting, misreading between the lines. These can not be the causes of why WG is doing what they are doing. <--This is what i'm saying.

One can read between the lines if there is preceding history. In form of actions, wording and some other factors. For example, I don't know you so reading between your lines, it would be a tad difficult. But not in case of Weegee.

 

2 hours ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

Alabama gate was different. I mean it has no relevance to this situation. ST was out already for testers. WG never promised Alabama will be released for community and when they released it, many people didn't know the existence of ST version which has all the stats same and only with a different camo. Then NA forum overreacted to the whole situation of how can there be another Alabama with a special camo for testers. But still WG didn't promise an Alabama to community in the first place and when they released it, it was identical to ST version. No modeling or stats changes needed. So, no LWM, this is not a comparable case

And here is your answer. In your own words.:) i don't think that Weegee really wants more "gates".

2 hours ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

^^Again, is she saying just because WG wants to make more money they have to screw up the original Missouri's economy with a complicated perma bonus thing? Sorry but this is 'cough' 'cough', BS. First of all, it is not the original Missouri owners' problem. Second of all, yes WG would still make lots of money as she states in her next sentence. She needs a clear set of mind to stop contradicting herself.

 

If there is a difference in name, people will start asking questions. If not, then there is the distinct possibility that people  will jump. Moneyz in hand. And ask questions later. And then ....it will be late.

In case you didn't know game design is all about creating possibilities. Well,.... perhaps not the ones what Weegee "creates" lately :)

And.... no. People are people and ....like I said earlier can and actually have multiple tastes, motives, reasons etc. 

People is never singular. So.....

2 hours ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

See? Now she says some will blindly buy the ship anyway and some others because of the radar. So, cloning is not the problem, hello? Selling it is not a problem either. WG just wants to screw with old Missouri's economy. That's it. We don't need to create excuses for their intention.

 

 I covered that already. But cloning is a problem because more ships = bigger game, and.....we have quite a few "developments" on their way. In the long run...it does matter. And I'm repeating to you, she doesn't do that.

 

This also covers your next.... "reasoning"

 

More questions?

 

Edit: Just because a teacher is explaining to you the rise of the Third Reich and he is very good at, it doesn't mean that he "shares" the ideology. 

[_HomTanks_]

19 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

And here is your answer. In your own words.:) i don't think that Weegee really wants more "gates".

Nope, cloning a Missouri wouldn't be a "gate" in the first place let alone comparing it to "Alabama-gate" which wasn't a gate either but an overreaction of NA forum.

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If there is a difference in name, people will start asking questions. If not, then there is the distinct possibility that people  will jump. Moneyz in hand. And ask questions later. And then ....it will be late.

And then she disagrees with herself the next sentence, doesn't she?

 

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 I covered that already. But cloning is a problem because more ships = bigger game, and.....we have quite a few "developments" on their way. In the long run...it does matter. And I'm repeating to you, she doesn't do that.

 

This also covers your next.... "reasoning"

Well, in my book, to say "adding one more clone to the game would make the game bloat and bigger" makes no sense when you already have hundreds of premiums out there. So, it couldn't cover anything, sorry :)

 

I guess, it is difficult for some people to really understand what WG's doing, which is screwing up with old Missouri's income.Trying to find all sorts of excuses why WG wouldn't clone 'Mo and leave its original econ untouched, i will politely call this being naive as i have explained all misinterpretations previously.

 

We can write back and fourth ten more pages if you want and you would still not be able to show me a single logical reason not to release a clone version of 'Mo. Or WG could still release the ship as Missouri, all identical except the new one would have the econ nerf bat while the original 'Mo econ would be left untouched. There are many ways not to mess with the original Missouri's econ. right? Right. Are they messing with old Missouri's economy? Yes. What does that tell you? The rest is excuses. 

[Andrewbassg]

1 hour ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

Nope, cloning a Missouri wouldn't be a "gate" in the first place let alone comparing it to "Alabama-gate" which wasn't a gate either but an overreaction of NA forum.

 

And what's happening now is what?. A homecoming or the the 20th reunion?? They couldn't  clone her because the different name would preclude them to cash in solely on her name. Why you think that they choose this insanely convoluted path?? 

1 hour ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

And then she disagrees with herself the next sentence, doesn't she?

I'm sorry but...... that disagreement exists only in your head. Different people have different reasons why they do or don't do things. For example for me miss MO has zero value. Yet there are people who throw money at Weegee like no tomorrow to get her. And, still as an example, I have the Tatra in my port on both accounts. I:m Hu therefore K.u.K so to me has a special symbolic significance. Prolly I never play her but having her, to me personally, is a must.

And her points are not singular just as Weegee's actions never have singular motives and in extension, explanations.

1 hour ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

Well, in my book, to say "adding one more clone to the game would make the game bloat and bigger" makes no sense when you already have hundreds of premiums out there. So, it couldn't cover anything, sorry :)

Maybe not now, but in two years time it could. At the pace they are releasing premiums....

1 hour ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

I guess, it is difficult for some people to really understand what WG's doing, which is screwing up with old Missouri's income.Trying to find all sorts of excuses why WG wouldn't clone 'Mo and leave its original econ untouched, i will politely call this being naive as i have explained all misinterpretations previously.

 No, sadly it is painfully obvious. They want money therefore they came up with this..... scheme to do that. But, they also want to regulate said income . Still they didn't want to rile up the player base  (i.e existing owners) too much, so they came up with this mission thingy. And you will see that the upcoming crates will give the mission enabled ship. Or just the mission.

 Did i told you earlier something about "multiple motives"?

1 hour ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

We can write back and fourth ten more pages if you want and you would still not be able to show me a single logical reason not to release a clone version of 'Mo. Or WG could still release the ship as Missouri, all identical except the new one would have the econ nerf bat while the original 'Mo econ would be left untouched. There are many ways not to mess with the original Missouri's econ. right? Right. Are they messing with old Missouri's economy? Yes. What does that tell you? The rest is excuses. 

 

And here comes the twist.

On 7/21/2021 at 8:47 PM, Andrewbassg said:

This. Taking away what makes that ship that ship is.......just another "genius level" move. " We want to make da moneyz but we don't want to upset the owners so....". zero creativity at its best. How about Wisconsin, or New jersey instead??

Oh my.......hello "Maredraco"...

 

1 hour ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

The rest is excuses. 

But not by LWM. You got that chief?

[_HomTanks_]

5 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

 

And what's happening now is what?. A homecoming or the the 20th reunion?? They couldn't  clone her because the different name would preclude them to cash in solely on her name. Why you think that they choose this insanely convoluted path?? 

I'm sorry but...... that disagreement exists only in your head. Different people have different reasons why they do or don't do things. For example for me miss MO has zero value. Yet there are people who throw money at Weegee like no tomorrow to get her. And, still as an example, I have the Tatra in my port on both accounts. I:m Hu therefore K.u.K so to me has a special symbolic significance. Prolly I never play her but having her, to me personally, is a must.

And her points are not singular just as Weegee's actions never have singular motives and in extension, explanations.

Maybe not now, but in two years time it could. At the pace they are releasing premiums....

 No, sadly it is painfully obvious. They want money therefore they came up with this..... scheme to do that. But, they also want to regulate said income . Still they didn't want to rile up the player base  (i.e existing owners) too much, so they came up with this mission thingy. And you will see that the upcoming crates will give the mission enabled ship. Or just the mission.

 Did i told you something earlier about "multiple motives"?

 

And here comes the twist.

 

But not by LWM. You got that chief?

Sorry to break it to you but it is waste of time trying to explain you some stuff. You can keep repeating yourself, I’m out. Gl, hf.

[Andrewbassg]

1 minute ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

Sorry to break it to you but it is waste of time trying to explain you some stuff. You can keep repeating yourself, I’m out. Gl, hf.

On certain matters or people, pretty much. On the other hand this is not PvP and I showed considerable restraint.

Good luck to you too. 

[StoneRhino]

Less Chit-chat more pictures!

Again Coop all Wins

 

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You wanna talk about stuff, please do it somewhere else, this is a thread about a request for Result screens for Mighty Mo >.<

2 Pages with less than 20 Pics but tons of talk. Impolite imho.

 

Overall rather disappointed though, that so few post pics here. :(

 

EDIT: Would be better to just update my first post with new pictures ( and risk them not being noticed ) or make new posts each time?

[_HomTanks_]

24 minutes ago, StoneRhino said:

 

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You wanna talk about stuff, please do it somewhere else, this is a thread about a request for Result screens for Mighty Mo >.<

2 Pages with less than 20 Pics but tons of talk. Impolite imho.

Anyone can express their opinions in any thread and the stuff that was talked was about the ship you just posted pictures of.  So, writing about the ship is impolite but you telling others to stop writing is polite, eh? well, guess what. What you are doing is impolite and hypocritical, "imho".

[Andrewbassg]

35 minutes ago, StoneRhino said:

Less Chit-chat more pictures!

Again Coop all Wins

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

You wanna talk about stuff, please do it somewhere else, this is a thread about a request for Result screens for Mighty Mo >.<

2 Pages with less than 20 Pics but tons of talk. Impolite imho.

 

Overall rather disappointed though, that so few post pics here. :(

 

EDIT: Would be better to just update my first post with new pictures ( and risk them not being noticed ) or make new posts each time?

Thank you!

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

36 minutes ago, StoneRhino said:

Overall rather disappointed though, that so few post pics here. :(

 

Because it doesn't make a lot of sense. 

 

How this new mission will work, will be clear from the calculation of credits in the post battle screen. 

 

The only thing this whole data would be useful for, is comparing the base credit earning of the ship itself before and after the change. 

 

But we already know it will be the same as the other T9 premiums. 

 

So tell me - what is this even good for? 

[Andrewbassg]

3 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Because it doesn't make a lot of sense. 

 

How this new mission will work, will be clear from the calculation of credits in the post battle screen. 

 

The only thing this whole data would be useful for, is comparing the base credit earning of the ship itself before and after the change. 

 

But we already know it will be the same as the other T9 premiums. 

 

So tell me - what is this even good for? 

What we don't know is if the upcoming "perma mission" will be even half honest at compensating what will be removed.  LWM "needs" ( well not really she just want to help) to build a "before" database, so any claims that Weegee could make, could be independently verified.

 

In other words: so they won't be lying, or will get caught. Until now, they "could have" claimed ( generally speaking) "miscommunication" and whatnot.  But not if the before database is comprehensive (aka big) enough. Numbers don't lie.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

22 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

What we don't know is if the upcoming "perma mission" will be even half honest at compensating what will be removed.  LWM "needs" ( well not really she just want to help) to build a "before" database, so any claims that Weegee could make, could be independently verified.

 

In other words: so they won't be lying, or will get caught. Until now, they "could have" claimed ( generally speaking) "miscommunication" and whatnot.  But not if the before database is comprehensive (aka big) enough. Numbers don't lie.

 

The difference between Missouri and other premiums has been investigated many times before. Why do we need to check this again right now? 

 

If you just want to make sure they don't take away too much, check after the change. 

 

If she wants to spend so much time on this, that's cool ofc. But I don't see it being very useful right now and apparently I am not the only one. 

 

Btw, I am not sure whether she can even process enough data to make up for the fact that baseXP and credits are actually not directly connected... 

[Andrewbassg]

10 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

The difference between Missouri and other premiums has been investigated many times before. Why do we need to check this again right now? 

 

If you just want to make sure they don't take away too much, check after the change. 

Jesus.... and i don't even have the MO I'm just trying to help.....

Look, if you want to post pictures please do it, If you are not to lazy to play a couple of battles. Otherwise please stay on topic.... which is to post pictures of your battles.....

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

8 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

Jesus.... and i don't even have the MO I'm just trying to help..

 

Yeah looking at the discussion above, you are some kind of fan boy. It's cool, everyone has their idols. 

 

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Look, if you want to post pictures please do it, If you are not to lazy to play a couple of battles. Otherwise please stay on topic.... which is to post pictures of your battles.....

 

You raised the question why so few people are participating and I have given you my honest answer.

 

After the change I will play the ship again to check it myself. Then I will probably post some screenshots. Just not going out of my way for this right now (for the reasons stated above), that's all. 

[AraAra_My_Ass_Is_Blasted]

Aight, i played 4 games, all with just the unique camo, no economic flags:

 

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Defeatwin

windefeat

 

[Bellegar]

6 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

They couldn't  clone her because the different name would preclude them to cash in solely on her name. Why you think that they choose this insanely convoluted path?? 

Yes they could. They could make the old ship Missouri Alpha or something, and sell 'new and improved' Missouri just as Missouri and cash in on all the ignorants who don't read the news. 

It's not that complicated. WG just wants it to be complicated 

[Andrewbassg]

2 hours ago, AraAra_my_ass_is_blasted said:

Aight, i played 4 games, all with just the unique camo, no economic flags:

 

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Defeatwin

windefeat

 

Thank you. Randoms?

[AraAra_My_Ass_Is_Blasted]

Il y a 4 heures, Andrewbassg a dit :

Thank you. Randoms?

Yep, all randoms

[Wurstmann]

Ranked + Win

==>

[tadaMonika]

Seems to me that the income already got stealth nerfed. With a game like this (not too good, but I am rusty as hell and for Missouri it doesn't matter as long as its 100k+) I would have gotten easily 1.4 mil or even 1.6 mil a few months ago.

 

 

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[Weij0]

Ranked win with some economy flags but with just its basic camo.

[KamiKatze_Streamer]

Missouri 20% more Credits incoming  to Roma and kii + koba.....Camo

[Taliesn]

Last 3 days, both random, both wins. There was a third win but I don't have the screenshot for the credits and XP tab.

 

[lovelacebeer]

Hope it proves useful, these are all wins in randoms:

[lovelacebeer]

These are both losses in randoms

[Taliesn]

Another Random win from today