This is beyond ridiculous and not even fun

[Nibenay78]

1 minute ago, Jaki_AJK said:

im saying again. 50 is what I have proof of. even before this 50, i manually checked my games like for 1000+ battles just to record myself getting bad teammates and good enemies 60% of the time

1 - it's perfectly possible to fool oneself with your 1000+ battles. You are clearly not humble enough to realise that we ALL make confirmation bias. This is why science (and claims like yours) need hard data.

 

2 - even IF the cointoss is completely fair (50-50) you, me or someone else might end up being lucky and unlucky you know. Probably there's some complete noob who got so lucky with his MM that he won 100 games in a row, yet being just mr average.

[Molly_Delaney]

One way to settle this play 1000 games in Mikasa, noting your team and the opposing team each time.

Analyse the results....

 

Then get drunk (if old enough) as it's all random.

[SV_Kompresor]

1 minute ago, Jaki_AJK said:

So im just having bad luck always? i dont have any chance of getting ok luck or even good luck? maybe im cursed then :Sadge:

As are we all.

[Jaki_AJK]

1 minute ago, Nibenay78 said:

1 - it's perfectly possible to fool oneself with your 1000+ battles. You are clearly not humble enough to realise that we ALL make confirmation bias. This is why science (and claims like yours) need hard data.

 

2 - even IF the cointoss is completely fair (50-50) you, me or someone else might end up being lucky and unlucky you know. Probably there's some complete noob who got so lucky with his MM that he won 100 games in a row, yet being just mr average.

I have hard data bro. its not like im a maths major and speak just out of mouth. i collected/ analysed the data.. hence im here on forums to asses the reason

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, SV_Kompresor said:

As are we all.

No man just look at my recent solo stats. I'm always super lucky. 

[SV_Kompresor]

2 minutes ago, Yosha_nai said:

No man just look at my recent solo stats. I'm always super lucky. 

Check mine.....there's a reason why I only play DDs and divs lately while avoiding solo.

[Jaki_AJK]

1 minute ago, Yosha_nai said:

No man just look at my recent solo stats. I'm always super lucky. 

doode, thats super pog!!! and i always get dudes like u on enemy. trust me on this

[Nibenay78]

1 minute ago, Jaki_AJK said:

So im just having bad luck always? i dont have any chance of getting ok luck or even good luck? maybe im cursed then :Sadge:

Yeah, you did consider that about 50% of the players will have worse-than-average MM?

while about 50% will have a better-than-average MM

[Bratoev]

To get the good MM you need to do the following:

1. Start your gaming session with the operation of the week.

2. Buy yourself a Motherload. 

3. Play exactly 3 games in Co-Op.

4. Play a Random game to get the bad karma out.

5. Profit.

[Jaki_AJK]

Just now, Nibenay78 said:

Yeah, you did consider that about 50% of the players will have worse-than-average MM?

while about 50% will have a better-than-average MM

yeah, thats in theory. but we all know, dudes like me end up in the worse than average mm all the time while its supposed to be only once in two games

[SV_Kompresor]

3 minutes ago, Jaki_AJK said:

yeah, thats in theory. but we all know, dudes like me end up in the worse than average mm all the time while its supposed to be only once in two games

Yes, it's only you. The rest of us don't have to put any effort into carrying.

[Nibenay78]

4 minutes ago, Jaki_AJK said:

yeah, thats in theory. but we all know, dudes like me end up in the worse than average mm all the time while its supposed to be only once in two games

I meant lifetime MM obviously, not indiviual games.

 

and you know what, if every second game was having game 1: strong team, and game 2: weak team..etcetc 

THEN we are talking 100% non random and rigged.

[SodaBubbles]

1 hour ago, Jaki_AJK said:

I'm not trying to be salty or anything but I think this WG or MM hates me very much. I always got bad teammates and good enemies from long time. So out of curiosity, I installed the Match Making Monitor. And I'm not kidding, but out of recent 53 games I played, even though I have 50%+ WR, only 11 out of the 53 games had my overall team wr greater than that of the enemies. Because I know what I'm doing and how good I play, I was able to carry most of the games. Out of 53 games, I was no.1 XP earned in 47 games. I don't know how to get good team MM. Someone is rigging my MM for sure. If it were random, my team would have higher overall wr in at least 27 games. But no.. There was not a single instance where my team had a player from hurricane clan. But enemy team got such players 15 times out of 53 games. If it were normal, I'd get such players at least 8 times. The odds are just strong to ignore. I don't know whom to ask/ question my bad RNG in MM.

That's hardly a statistical impossibility. 

Try it for 500 games or 1000 games, then report your findings.

 

Remember that most players suck, so tilted MMs are the norm.

 

WG likes that, because collapses occur faster, forcing players back into the queue faster.

 

The devs are obsessed with two things: ramming CVs into every possible mode and match, and the queue time. You can explain a lot of the badness of WOWs based on understand those two obsessions. 

[Jaki_AJK]

1 minute ago, Nibenay78 said:

I meant lifetime MM obviously, not indiviual games.

 

and you know what, if every second game was having game 1: strong team, and game 2: weak team..etcetc 

THEN we are talking 100% non random and rigged.

Well, thats why im saying my MM is rigged in a wrong way. its abnormal to have bad teams 80% of the time you know..

[Nibenay78]

Strongly advice you to watch this. It might be useless if one doesn't have a the most basic grasp of statistics though.

 

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

10 minutes ago, Jaki_AJK said:

while its supposed to be only once in two games

No it's not.

[Jaki_AJK]

1 minute ago, SodaBubbles said:

That's hardly a statistical impossibility. 

Try it for 500 games or 1000 games, then report your findings.

 

Remember that most players suck, so tilted MMs are the norm.

 

WG likes that, because collapses occur faster, forcing players back into the queue faster.

 

The devs are obsessed with two things: ramming CVs into every possible mode and match, and the queue time. You can explain a lot of the badness of WOWs based on understand those two obsessions. 

yeah, makes a lot of sense. but even after the 1000 odd games I recorded by my finding, I end up on worse team more often than not. And I have proof for the last 53 games as i used mm and not manual checking of stats. So surely im at the receiving end of bad luck

[Saltface]

@Jaki_AJK

 

Hello there, I might not be the best player but I do know my math.

 

What you are describing is RANDOM. If it was 50/50 in 50 plus games it would be suspiciously not random.

Humans are generally really bad at understanding randomness and probability. Even when events are randomly distributed, you’ll often get far more streaks of the same result than you might expect. Flip a coin 100 times, for example, and there’s an 85% chance you’ll get ten heads in a row at some point.

 

And last but not least: The game is MUCH MORE FUN in division with friends.

 

[Jaki_AJK]

2 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Strongly advice you to watch this. It might be useless if one doesn't have a the most basic grasp of statistics though.

 

 

Then I can say with certain that I fall in the opposite category- the super duper unlucky players inspite of all skill I posses

[Nibenay78]

1 minute ago, Jaki_AJK said:

Well, thats why im saying my MM is rigged in a wrong way. its abnormal to have bad teams 80% of the time you know..

The problem is then it would be spesfically against YOU, since noone else notices anything.

 

And abnormal doesn't mean it's not random. Lets go back to the lottery.

 

if the chance to win is lets say 1 to 1 000 000 000, following your argument, then noone should win because it's abnormal. Yes you can be lucky/unlucky.

[Nibenay78]

2 minutes ago, Jaki_AJK said:

So surely im at the receiving end of bad luck

Probably yes.

[Jaki_AJK]

1 minute ago, Nibenay78 said:

The problem is then it would be spesfically against YOU, since noone else notices anything.

 

And abnormal doesn't mean it's not random. Lets go back to the lottery.

 

if the chance to win is lets say 1 to 1 000 000 000, following your argument, then noone should win because it's abnormal. Yes you can be lucky/unlucky.

so yeah, call me unlucky then. never had any luck even in lootboxes too hmmm

[Nibenay78]

1 minute ago, Jaki_AJK said:

Then I can say with certain that I fall in the opposite category- the super duper unlucky players inspite of all skill I posses

yeah and in between the extreme luck/unluck, there will be a spectrum of "more lucky" or "less lucky"

and NONE of them really proves rigging you know. 

[Northern_Nightowl]

Vor 8 Minuten, YabbaCoe sagte:

It is random, so there is no 50-50, or 80-20 etc. It is only considering ships, so if there are two guys with same ships in the queue, one is simply picked to one team and another one goes to the enemy one.

Yabba, could you clarify to me what kind of game mechanic exactly is randomised? Because: true randomness for two events happening with equal probability, like a perfect coin flip, does actually lead to a 50-50 repartition of the results in the long term.

Going by your statement, if two identical ships are in queue, then they are evenly distributed on the two teams and there's no consideration which players are already sorted in.

But this ain't true mathematical randomness, as eg. the time of day and behavioural patterns of ship preferences (BB liked, CV disliked, some lines favoured over others...) will allow some reasonable predictions.

Do I understand it correctly that some unpredictability in teams stems from the impossibility to know beforehand which ships will be in queue for battle and randomness (which quality, actually? Are you using a cryptographical robust RNG?) is only used for determining the actual team of any competitor?

 

Curious, Nightowl

[Nibenay78]

Just now, Jaki_AJK said:

so yeah, call me unlucky then. never had any luck even in lootboxes too hmmm

I'm not lucky either, because I don't buy them nor play lottery.

Why? because these things are designed to come out worse than "fair" chance

 

I tend to say that people who play the national lottery in my country are people who don't know math and they enjoy paying extra taxes.