Brandenburg

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

Hello fellow seamen, hope you're all good. I wanted to create a discussion about the upcoming german Tier VIII premium battleship Brandenburg just to discuss it.

I was looking for this ship, but looking at her stats I can only be disappointed. I hardly found any reason that would make me take the Brandenburg over the Tirpitz:

-Both are Bismarck class, with same hull, but Brandenburg miss a bit more than 10k HP 

-Both don't have hydro

-Both have 8 torps, 4 per side 

-While Brandenburg has 12 guns... those are Odin's guns with 28s reload and 1.6 sigma. Tirpitz reloads faster and have better overmatch capabilites against bottom tier cruisers.

-On the + side, Brandenburg is faster (32.5 knots)... yikes. 

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/176

[lafeel]

She is a interesting boat for sure..

[HipHopHippopotamus]

1 hour ago, lafeel said:

She is a interesting bad boat for sure..

 

[Yedwy]

33 minutes ago, AxisMarine said:

Hello fellow seamen, hope you're all good. I wanted to create a discussion about the upcoming german Tier VIII premium battleship Brandenburg just to discuss it.

I was looking for this ship, but looking at her stats I can only be disappointed. I hardly found any reason that would make me take the Brandenburg over the Tirpitz:

-Both are Bismarck class, with same hull, but Brandenburg miss a bit more than 10k HP 

-Both don't have hydro

-Both have 8 torps, 4 per side 

-While Brandenburg has 12 guns... those are Odin's guns with 28s reload and 1.6 sigma. Tirpitz reloads faster and have better overmatch capabilites against bottom tier cruisers.

-On the + side, Brandenburg is faster (32.5 knots)... yikes. 

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/176

Pass

[lafeel]

24 minutes ago, HipHopHippopotamus said:

 

If I wanted to say bad I'd have said so, stop putting words in my mouth.

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

Even Odin might be better as she has Hydro and same 50k bracket of HP pool.

She has 3 less guns, but those guns are a joke. It’s like the 380s on Pommern, I don’t even consider them to make damage, I just play her thinking about ways of making my secondaries work and deal damage. 
This way I doubled my average damage on Pommern.

[WWDragon]

1 minute ago, AxisMarine said:

Even Odin might be better as she has Hydro and same 50k bracket of HP pool.

 

Odin is a wierd ship as statswise she looks bad, even playing you start noticing problems because the secondaries have bad angles and low rate of fire but ends up performing much better that expected.

 

On Brandenburg case she might have better speed and better secondary layout but the problem is that secondaries are bad and 150mm secondaries have too low rate of fire to have a effect, the ship is rather questionable, if they improved the sigma to 1.8 then maybe as otherwise it doesnt look good, not as nimble as Odin either.

 

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

38 minuti fa, WWDragon ha scritto:

 

Odin is a wierd ship as statswise she looks bad, even playing you start noticing problems because the secondaries have bad angles and low rate of fire but ends up performing much better that expected.

 

On Brandenburg case she might have better speed and better secondary layout but the problem is that secondaries are bad and 150mm secondaries have too low rate of fire to have a effect, the ship is rather questionable, if they improved the sigma to 1.8 then maybe as otherwise it doesnt look good, not as nimble as Odin either.

 

I totally agree, the combination of 105s and 150s isn’t the best... you might take IFHE in order to penetrate 32mm on all your secondaries... but fire chance drops.

128mm secondaries are far better in my opinion.

Odin might perform better than expected, but still I would never take her over a Bismarck or a Tirpitz.

I think WG is afraid of « powercreeping » Odin with Brandenburg; but Brandenburg already gives up hydro and 128mm secondaries and has bad reload and sigma, I think Brandenburg should have same HP pool than Bismarck and Tirpitz 

[1MajorKoenig]

Cheap copy pasta - could be another dock yard ship

[Verblonde]

I'm not really a BB aficionado, but I do have most (all?) of the existing German premium, and silver, BBs; I'm not sure I see the point of Brandenburg if you have the others - she sort of looks like a Tirpitz but with more (smaller) main guns?

 

If a new player comes to the game and thinks "by Jingo, I need a T8 premium German BB!" surely they'll pick the real ship, with actual history? bonus points for not having the 'nerfable' label...?

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

3 ore fa, Verblonde ha scritto:

I'm not really a BB aficionado, but I do have most (all?) of the existing German premium, and silver, BBs; I'm not sure I see the point of Brandenburg if you have the others - she sort of looks like a Tirpitz but with more (smaller) main guns?

 

If a new player comes to the game and thinks "by Jingo, I need a T8 premium German BB!" surely they'll pick the real ship, with actual history? bonus points for not having the 'nerfable' label...?

To be fair there is not so much to nerf I'm afraid 

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 9 Stunden, Verblonde sagte:

If a new player comes to the game and thinks "by Jingo, I need a T8 premium German BB!" surely they'll pick the real ship, with actual history? bonus points for not having the 'nerfable' label...?

True. And I really like Tirpitz, so why throw money at WG for a ship which can't possibly be better?

[The_Chiv]

My initial impression of this new alt bb line for the KM is a bit meh to be honest, however I had the same impression of the german Heavy dd line which proved me wrong due to wg realizing it needed more then what they initially showed us. I have a feeling we will see this line also be adjusted a bit before it comes anywhere close to launch if not then well it will just be another joke line by WG.

 

[totally_potato]

14 hours ago, AxisMarine said:

Hello fellow seamen, hope you're all good. I wanted to create a discussion about the upcoming german Tier VIII premium battleship Brandenburg just to discuss it.

I was looking for this ship, but looking at her stats I can only be disappointed. I hardly found any reason that would make me take the Brandenburg over the Tirpitz:

-Both are Bismarck class, with same hull, but Brandenburg miss a bit more than 10k HP 

-Both don't have hydro

-Both have 8 torps, 4 per side 

-While Brandenburg has 12 guns... those are Odin's guns with 28s reload and 1.6 sigma. Tirpitz reloads faster and have better overmatch capabilites against bottom tier cruisers.

-On the + side, Brandenburg is faster (32.5 knots)... yikes. 

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/176

can we plz have a different German BB. Every German BB is a brawler, and there is no variety. Americans get brawlers, snipers and normal mid range BBs, the French get them, the Japanese get them. Why is German just filled with brawlers

 

All that aside, if they want to make this ship succeed, they have to give it atleast 62K HP, and good gun accuracy to make up for the lackluster shells. I did notice that Brandenburg has a bit better armor than Bismarck, but idk how much of a difference it will make.

[totally_potato]

2 hours ago, The_Chiv said:

My initial impression of this new alt bb line for the KM is a bit meh to be honest, however I had the same impression of the german Heavy dd line which proved me wrong due to wg realizing it needed more then what they initially showed us. I have a feeling we will see this line also be adjusted a bit before it comes anywhere close to launch if not then well it will just be another joke line by WG.

 

this line is coming after the soviet CVs so there is a fair amount of balancing time. But eh, I am happy that we are finally getting a BC line

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

2 ore fa, The_Chiv ha scritto:

My initial impression of this new alt bb line for the KM is a bit meh to be honest, however I had the same impression of the german Heavy dd line which proved me wrong due to wg realizing it needed more then what they initially showed us. I have a feeling we will see this line also be adjusted a bit before it comes anywhere close to launch if not then well it will just be another joke line by WG.

 

I hope so... I hope so

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

5 minuti fa, totally_potato ha scritto:

can we plz have a different German BB. Every German BB is a brawler, and there is no variety. Americans get brawlers, snipers and normal mid range BBs, the French get them, the Japanese get them. Why is German just filled with brawlers

 

All that aside, if they want to make this ship succeed, they have to give it atleast 62K HP, and good gun accuracy to make up for the lackluster shells. I did notice that Brandenburg has a bit better armor than Bismarck, but idk how much of a difference it will make.

That is what I've been saying for months... god forbid they give germans gameplay variety  even worse, WG dared to produce USN secondary battleships better than german BBs, while maintaining outrageously good primary battery (massachussets I'm talking about you, little bast*rd) 

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

Flamu made a new video on all the new german ships. They have weak armor, bad accuracy, not even the advertised "high amount of secondaries", an utter turn radius, questionable AA and slow torpedos. Good look pushing too far with them. I guess they only sell off because of their big names. The VI premium DD might be a mini Elbing, but well, we know WG. It can be anything from trash to a new T-61. And anything secondary-related that has to go in is doomed in this meta and subs are not even released yet.

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

1 ora fa, Von_Pruss ha scritto:

Flamu made a new video on all the new german ships. They have weak armor, bad accuracy, not even the advertised "high amount of secondaries", an utter turn radius, questionable AA and slow torpedos. Good look pushing too far with them. I guess they only sell off because of their big names. The VI premium DD might be a mini Elbing, but well, we know WG. It can be anything from trash to a new T-61. And anything secondary-related that has to go in is doomed in this meta and subs are not even released yet.

To be fair, the line until tier VI seems okay, they have potential. But further they seem completely trash (27mm instead of 32) 

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 13 Minuten, AxisMarine sagte:

To be fair, the line until tier VII seems okay, they have potential. But further they seem completely trash (27mm instead of 32, tier VIII is slow) 

I can't really see the "A large number of secondary guns with high accuracy" here. Aside from the pretty dumb re-reworked-skills, the number of secondaries is quite low (10-12 up to T5, not counting the ignorable 88mm, and not superior to the BB tree from T6 upwards) and the RoF and accuracy are unknown, but unlikely to be high enough to be of concern.

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

2 minuti fa, MementoMori_6030 ha scritto:

I can't really see the "A large number of secondary guns with high accuracy" here. Aside from the pretty dumb re-reworked-skills, the number of secondaries is quite low (10-12 up to T5, not counting the ignorable 88mm, and not superior to the BB tree from T6 upwards) and the RoF and accuracy are unknown, but unlikely to be high enough to be of concern.

I wrote until Tier VII, but I meant tier VI. Well for the secondaries we will see, for sure they are few; otherwise those ships seems to be good tier for tier: 

-Superior speed

-Good HP pool

-Hydro at tier VI 

-Dispersion seems good, below 200m 

-Reload is faster than most low tier BBs and caliber isn't bad tier for tier 

[totally_potato]

38 minutes ago, Von_Pruss said:

Flamu made a new video on all the new german ships. They have weak armor, bad accuracy, not even the advertised "high amount of secondaries", an utter turn radius, questionable AA and slow torpedos. Good look pushing too far with them. I guess they only sell off because of their big names. The VI premium DD might be a mini Elbing, but well, we know WG. Anything secondary-related that has to go in is doomed in this meta and subs are not even released yet.

wait wait wait

Don't just follow one's opinion as your own. Let's wait how these ships are going to be

Weak plating yes, but that doesn't mean weak armor. We don't know about what kind of armor profile they will get, we don't know how well the cit might be protected, we don't know anything about the deck armor. Remember Petro and Stalingrad are the tankiest cruisers in the game despite having weaker bow and stern plating the the other T10s. Bad accuracy? No. Its good dispersion with bad sigma so. So average is how I'd put it. High amount of secondaries is perfectly well advertised. They didn't say whether those secondary guns are large caliber or not. Debatable AA is true, and while the torps are slow they are fairly well concealed and do a good chunk of dmg. Not saying they are ideal, but try to look at the bright side. 

 

The premium T6 DD looks like a Gaede 2.0. Fairly good torps, guns look nice, it has heal, speed boost, no hydro and or smoke tho which is sadge. And it has good HE too, so this might be a good ship

25 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

I can't really see the "A large number of secondary guns with high accuracy" here. Aside from the pretty dumb re-reworked-skills, the number of secondaries is quite low (10-12 up to T5, not counting the ignorable 88mm, and not superior to the BB tree from T6 upwards) and the RoF and accuracy are unknown, but unlikely to be high enough to be of concern.

They didn't show the dispersion values yet, so we better hold our opinion on that. And 88mm secondaries at low tiers, are perfectly reasonable. They have 15mm pen if standard pen, and if german pen then 22mm pen. Idk which one it is, but worst case scenario let's take the former. Most of the DDs at those tiers have less than that threshold. Its only really gonna be bad at T6 you have a 2 pointer IFHE to take. And the fire chance is so ridiculously low in the first place that a 1 pointer, and two flags will get that fire chance back. So definitely not "ignorable", unless you are trying super hard to make your statement stand. And idk about accuracy, but the higher tiers have Graf zeppelin casemates. Whether that indicates Graf zeppelin accuracy or not, is beyond me, but its better to stay positive, but prepare for the worst just in case. 

I had already assumed the fire chance and HE pen on Incomparable are going to be ridiculous as hell, but they surprised me and gave it standard 20 inch HE. So let's just hope for the best, prepare for the worst in this case.

[totally_potato]

31 minutes ago, AxisMarine said:

I wrote until Tier VII, but I meant tier VI. Well for the secondaries we will see, for sure they are few; otherwise those ships seems to be good tier for tier: 

-Superior speed

-Good HP pool

-T8 Hydro at tier VI 

-Dispersion seems good, below 200m 

-Reload is faster than most low tier BBs and caliber isn't bad tier for tier 

I just wonder if its gonna get very good dispersion on secs. Then we might get away with running accuracy mod, and getting that sweet dispersion down further. 

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

2 minuti fa, totally_potato ha scritto:

I just wonder if its gonna get very good dispersion on secs. Then we might get away with running accuracy mod, and getting that sweet dispersion down further. 

We will see 

[S_h_i_v_a]

Aegir guns. But where Aegir has 203 dispersion, Brandie will have 245 dispersion.  Nyet.