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Hi! I am looking for a tech-tree DD, which can hunt other DD's very well. I know that french destroyers are pretty decent at it, but I wanted to ask the community. What ship would you recommend?

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Hunters in what sense? Germans work....brits too to some extent (except if the DD is running away), pan eu if you like torping DDs instead.

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Lightning has low detectability, hydro, many short smokes and good gun power. Daring and Jutland also good. 

German DDs from T8 on also good.

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11 minutes ago, Nyanisthecat said:

Hi! I am looking for a tech-tree DD, which can hunt other DD's very well. I know that french destroyers are pretty decent at it, but I wanted to ask the community. What ship would you recommend?

Apart from the torpboats, you can DD hunt in pretty much every other DD. But the better ones are:-

Russian DDs, German main DD line (the higher tier ones), the Daring in the british tech tree, French DDs, the Japanese higher tier gunboat split.

 

Now for DD hunting the French and Russians are decent becoz they are pretty quick, and their guns are good, and they have fair amount of HP and protection. However they are only placed decent coz they are visible from the moon. SO you can avoid them if as the prey, you have a brain.

For German DDs they ambush DDs more than downright hunt them down. Their stealth is way lower than the two lines mentioned above. They aren't as fast but they are decently quick. They have hydro which is a pretty effective tool in hunting down DDs. RL can be pretty useful on German DDs if you want to max out their DPM and DD hunting capabilities. SO marked at great. The british ships are also good at hunting DDs, coz hydro although its much shorter ranged and self defensive. The guns are good on all of them, so they hold themselves in a gunfight pretty damn well. Daring is the DD hunter of them all tho, coz its guns are rapid firing and it has heal so it trades better. Ofc there is Vampire 2. Also marked at great at T10, but good, the tiers lower than that. The japanese gunboats (except Haru) are good and effective DD hunters, coz they aren't that sluggish and theirs guns are just brutal, plus their speed maxed out, can keep up with some of the gunboats even. SO meh at T10, but good at T8-9. Although the T5-7 are torpboats.

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1 minute ago, Bear__Necessities said:

From a DD hunter specialist. Go Germans for smoke and hydro trap or Royal Navy for hit and run brawls. 

Yes UK or KM non heavy dds are some of the best.  Most DDs can excel at dd hunting, but require a bit more skill and understanding to pull off, oh yeah and the ability to lead a dd (a skill many do not practice enough)

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16 minutes ago, Nyanisthecat said:

Hi! I am looking for a tech-tree DD, which can hunt other DD's very well. I know that french destroyers are pretty decent at it, but I wanted to ask the community. What ship would you recommend?

Depends what do you mean by "hunting" but assuming you actually mean as in chasing after them and hunting them down its either RU gunboats or French, others are not fast enough, also a full DPM build and RPF is a must have, engine boost upgrade module is recomended as well...

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3 minuty temu, SV_Kompresor napisał:

Hunters in what sense? Germans work....brits too to some extent (except if the DD is running away), pan eu if you like torping DDs instead.

I am talking about a ship that goes somewhat deep into the enemy team, finds an enemy dd, overwhelms it with better guns, quickly destroys it and goes dark. I see that german and french dd's are mostly recommended. I tried to play UK, but I stopped on icarius with an awful win rate of around 30%.

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10 minut temu, Camperdown napisał:

Lightning has low detectability, hydro and good gun power. Daring and Jutland also good. 

German DDs from T8 on also good.

what about ships before? are they ok? I don't have premium, flags, or cameos, so grinding takes some time. Are they fun?

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14 minuty temu, totally_potato napisał:

Apart from the torpboats, you can DD hunt in pretty much every other DD. But the better ones are:-

Russian DDs, German main DD line (the higher tier ones), the Daring in the british tech tree, French DDs, the Japanese higher tier gunboat split.

 

Now for DD hunting the French and Russians are decent becoz they are pretty quick, and their guns are good, and they have fair amount of HP and protection. However they are only placed decent coz they are visible from the moon. SO you can avoid them if as the prey, you have a brain.

For German DDs they ambush DDs more than downright hunt them down. Their stealth is way lower than the two lines mentioned above. They aren't as fast but they are decently quick. They have hydro which is a pretty effective tool in hunting down DDs. RL can be pretty useful on German DDs if you want to max out their DPM and DD hunting capabilities. SO marked at great. The british ships are also good at hunting DDs, coz hydro although its much shorter ranged and self defensive. The guns are good on all of them, so they hold themselves in a gunfight pretty damn well. Daring is the DD hunter of them all tho, coz its guns are rapid firing and it has heal so it trades better. Ofc there is Vampire 2. Also marked at great at T10, but good, the tiers lower than that. The japanese gunboats (except Haru) are good and effective DD hunters, coz they aren't that sluggish and theirs guns are just brutal, plus their speed maxed out, can keep up with some of the gunboats even. SO meh at T10, but good at T8-9. Although the T5-7 are torpboats.

if you could choose between german and french dd's, which ones are better?

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10 minutes ago, Nyanisthecat said:

if you could choose between german and french dd's, which ones are better?

French are good if you want to rush somewhere or fight at long range. Germans are good if you want to wreck the DD in the cap (or at the very least push him out)

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Marceau wins almost any engagement besides kleber with reload booster is quite challenging. Vampire 2 has smoke+5km hydro and fast firing guns.

Druid-defensive fire,heals,armor piercing with heavily improved angles and reduced fuse time+fast reload+defensive smoke and defensive hydro.

Smaland-fast firing guns,acces to HE, 7.5km 20 seconds radar and 30% emergency speedboost to help dodging incoming fire and heals.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Nyanisthecat said:

 

what about ships before? are they ok? I don't have premium, flags, or cameos, so grinding takes some time. Are they fun?

Not quite. They aren't bad, but UK DD line starts taking shape as cap contesters from tier 7 onwards, while tier 8 I'd say is peak of the line with premium Cossack being good alternative. That doesn't mean Jutland and Daring are bad, far from it.

Keep in mind, with Brit DDs you try to play around their fast reloading smokes to preserve health, as 1v1 "chivalric" duel is not something they excel at. Even Daring, that gun hose have to compete with other gun hoses like Gearing or Halland, while Smaland, Marceau or MBRB active Kleber can be outright losing battle

 

Because term "DD hunting destroyer" is not precise. IJN destroyer that makes use of her concealment advantage and smokes to return fire can prove to be major headache to any "DD hunter" destroyers. High speed French and Russian gunboats can chase other destroyers, but with their concealment rated nope.avi unless you know exactly DD was just before, it will be searching blind while being spotted and probably fired upon when doing so.

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3 hours ago, Nyanisthecat said:

if you could choose between german and french dd's, which ones are better?

well it depends on the situation.

 

If I want to win against DDs in a cap and then dominate that cap, hydro DD is the best DD, and overall German DDs are the best hydro DDs in the game. They have good gunpower to fight DDs (now the HE does relatively lower dmg but high pen so good effective dmg against BBs and Cruisers, but if you find a broadside DD, shoot AP at it and you dmg goes up significantly, although HE is still fine, for gun boating ships). They have large HPs for their tier (except of Z-52, becoz WG apparently forgot that in a tier with DDs going upto 30k HP, 23.5k is jackshit, when combined with the fact that it has no heal but regardless, the HP is sufficient enough if you play well), relatively good mobility, and good torp coverage at mid ranges coz the torps are quite fast, and have good reload times with decent range, but relatively low damage and low number (8 torps at T10). They are hybrids and you want to utilise them as such. But when it comes to fighting DDs, especially for caps, there are few DDs better at doing that that ze Germans. And providing you manage to have atleast half your HP by the end half of the game, you can hunt DDs down fairly well.

 

If I want to directly burst damage dumpster that DD then French is my choice. They are high speed open water "giving a F**k" gunships. They have good gun performance backed up by superiority complex shitting consumable that halves your reload for 15 seconds. You also have shiny torpedoes that have good speed, very good damage, very high speed, but high concealment, and very low reach at 8km so they are relatively useless. They are freaking fast af. The tiers 2-7 are quite sluggish o their own but their hyperdrive consumable does get them out to some good speed. The T8-10 are fast on their own and with hyperdrive consumable you might beat han solo's record of doing the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs. So they can rush down DDs, providing those DDs have already committed and have been spotted (so that you know where he is). Then you can rush him down and hand deliver him some fiery croissant. But if you are trying to hunt the average DD who has a brain, and is running away from you, he will see you first every time, and he can have all kind of "surprise mf" gifts for you. Also to mention that without the superiority complex shitting consumable the DPM is pretty bad (its alpha strike is pretty nice tho), and other ships with high RoF and/or good torps can beat you, or just avoid you completely. So its decent at DD hunting, but not amazing. 

 

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3 hours ago, Nyanisthecat said:

 

what about ships before? are they ok? I don't have premium, flags, or cameos, so grinding takes some time. Are they fun?

I think the RN earlier tiers are fine, though not as good relatively as T8-10 are.

I find the earlier German DDs variable, some good, some meh.

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3 hours ago, Nyanisthecat said:

I am talking about a ship that goes somewhat deep into the enemy team, finds an enemy dd, overwhelms it with better guns, quickly destroys it and goes dark. I see that german and french dd's are mostly recommended. I tried to play UK, but I stopped on icarius with an awful win rate of around 30%.

The higher tier Germans coz their stealth is pretty good. Z-23 may have worser stealth than other DDs at that tier, but in her MM spread there are several DDs she out spots, and 6.2km is good enough that she'll go dark. 

Going deep into the enemy team tho, that's a mistake on all ships, let alone DD hunters. If you find a DD and want to overwhelm them utterly, then British DDs and American DDs aren't that bad (provided they are fairly close, like 6km away coz American arcs are kinda orbital, they won the space race for a reason you see).

A small tip tho. You can only overwhelm Potato DD players in a 1v1 gunfight, so don't expect utter dumpstering every time.

3 hours ago, Nyanisthecat said:

 

what about ships before? are they ok? I don't have premium, flags, or cameos, so grinding takes some time. Are they fun?

Yeah they are pretty good. They don't have that great stealth at those tiers, but they are good gunboats. Icarus is an alright ship at its tier, and Jervis is pretty good at her tier, and there aren't many good DDs at that tier, so Jervis is definitely good. And playing them well can give you a lot of fun coz your tool kit is good, your ship is pretty good, and provided you aren't a potato, you'll have a bit of fun too.

The German DDs at T5-7 are ok ig. The T5 is way better than it once was. The T6 is a ship you can play in multiple ways with multiple configurations and the two gun choices it has, will ultimately lead to the split where you have to make the choice. Maass was an ok ship, but they are nerfing it for some reason (Ig WG's dev team have drank a bit too much vodka).

Personally tho, the German DDs especially since their HE buff, have been fun and my best performing DDs, for me. Both the heavy and non-heavy line (heavy line coz it just came out mostly).

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KM DDs have good guns, nice torpedo reload. Good hydro, somewhat bad smoke. They have average concealment and maneuverability.

 

MN DDs have high damage guns and that MBRB. They also have quick loading, hard hitting torps. Bad concealment but they are very fast. The enemy will see you coming but your guns should make quick work of them.

 

RU  DDs good guns, heal (high tier). Very poor concealment. You need to ambush your enemy or need someone else to spot them.

 

RN DDs. good guns, good concealment, ok torpedoes. They get that 3km anti-torpedo hydro what can last long. Best smoke to disengage from a fight.

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Friesland

 

Hydro that's almost as good as German but with much better gun performance.

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6 hours ago, Nyanisthecat said:

if you could choose between german and french dd's, which ones are better?

Define 'better'; for me though, the Germans are usually the better DDs (the original line, not the new additions), but with an awful lot of caveats:

  • The French have a lot going for them: they're fast, have the damage saturation thing, and have plenty of dakka; they also lack smoke which makes them hard work with CVs present (and most of them have poor AA). Basically, the play style is more or less to glue down the fire button, and zoom around the map leaning out of the metaphorical windows whilst making w4nker gestures at the opposition.
  • For the 'drive it like you stole it' playstyle, the French seem to be felt to be perhaps the number one choice; to be good at it though is not easy mode.
  • Where the French fall down - IMO - is the vision battle; although the Germans aren't terribly sneaky, they get smoke/hydro and that makes up for a lot. Hunting other DDs when you're spotted from the moon can be troublesome; you basically have to survive long enough to spot them back, and that isn't a given, even when you're as fast as the French.
  • The Germans don't have the dakka of the French, but they're better equipped to scrag sneaky buggers - provided you can leverage your hydro. Bonus points if your less gormless team-mates shoot at what you spot.

So, to hunt other DDs, I'd pick the Germans (originals) over the French (although Marceau is very much worth having for sheer glorious fun).

 

That said, I feel strongly that the RN DDs are significantly better than both for scragging DDs (mainly T8+)...

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As a DD main Vampire2 is an absolute nightmare to face in almost all Silver DD's...

 

Marceau is exceptionally strong too and I prefer to avoid it if I can...

 

I like my Neustrashimy as a DD hunter too because with 5.6km concealment she is a match for many DD's.

 

 

 

 

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From an IJN torpboat player perspective (an odd one though, since I spec their captains for gunboating if needed), DDs I don't like encountering are:

  • Both Kléber and Marceau in almost any situation and in particular a charging one.
  • KM's original line in cap areas.
  • Vampire II.
  • Småland and Black due to the radar (although not as much by themselves as due to their presence somehow encouraging focus fire by the reds).

Other ships and lines can be more or less played around using a combination of stealth, right timing for smoke and kiting. In spite of that, be ready to lose between one and two thirds of your HP, depending on the specific engagement.

 

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9 hours ago, Nyanisthecat said:

Hi! I am looking for a tech-tree DD, which can hunt other DD's very well. I know that french destroyers are pretty decent at it, but I wanted to ask the community. What ship would you recommend?

 

Mate. Coming from an out and out DD hunter kinda player as I'm not a fan of torp boats. 

 

RN.... 

 

The whole line is designed to take on enemy DDs, put the hurt down and get out alive. They are also the perfect defensive cap DDs in the game. 

 

To be a DD hunter you need 3 things. DPM (to win), health (to last) and concealment (to control engagements). Gimmicks only help so far. 

 

Take the daring. It's got good concealment so it's either you out spot those that can really hurt you (Kleber, harra, fresland), spot at the same time those that you will have a good scrap with but win (gearing, gros) or very close to other concealments that have lower than yours in which you will murder anyway (shimmy, somers). 

 

Remember, you have a heal which is golddust as most other DDs don't, so even a friesland and harra will think twice about engaging you.

 

You have that sweet AP that wrecks other DDs thanks to its pen and you have good HE that is fast firing. Again, it's AP smashes DD faces with auto bounce so use it. Even if you don't, the HE is always good. Switch during an engagement. 

 

You have a heal and a good HP pool. Means than when you have a scrap, your gonna come out alive. 

 

And always remember, take RPF! So you know where they are and be ready with that AP. 2 broadside savlos with AP will make them cry. 

 

French DDs are more crusier killers with horrable concealment and Germans don't have the DMP to even think about challinging you. They totally rely on their gimmick in which you have one of your own. Your defensive smoke. Means you won't eat torps and can bum rush others smoke if you have the chance. 

 

Your quick smoke is great for going invis if the tables turn against you and he has friends. 

 

So for a silver line, RN. 

 

Premiums then the Smaland is better (best DD killer) than the daring and the Kidd is also a great DD hunter. 

 

But silver then you won't go wrong with the RN. Jutland and lighting are solid ships on the way to the daring and play the same waym

 

Just remember, the ship will only get you so far! The captains instincts, ship knowledge and map awareness is just as important.

 

Know when to engage taking into account all the information you have. know when to keep at arms length and out spot him if he will cause you trouble (so your team shoots them) andd know when to change your ammo type.

 

In my daring the only DD i fear is the  smaland, as its OP. The rest you will beat. 

 

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marceau, vampire II, smaland, etc.................................

techtree lines, not hightier prems or spehulZ...

 

@op, all these got different styles. but i think there's more than ngh input, so i won't add. u just need to figure out now whose advice in here might be closest to the answer u seek. gl.

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2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

 

Mate. Coming from an out and out DD hunter kinda player as I'm not a fan of torp boats. 

 

RN.... 

 

The whole line is designed to take on enemy DDs, put the hurt down and get out alive. They are also the perfect defensive cap DDs in the game. 

 

To be a DD hunter you need 3 things. DPM (to win), health (to last) and concealment (to control engagements). Gimmicks only help so far. 

 

Take the daring. It's got good concealment so it's either you out spot those that can really hurt you (Kleber, harra, fresland), spot at the same time those that you will have a good scrap with but win (gearing, gros) or very close to other concealments that have lower than yours in which you will murder anyway (shimmy, somers). 

 

Remember, you have a heal which is golddust as most other DDs don't, so even a friesland and harra will think twice about engaging you.

 

You have that sweet AP that wrecks other DDs thanks to its pen and you have good HE that is fast firing. Again, it's AP smashes DD faces with auto bounce so use it. Even if you don't, the HE is always good. Switch during an engagement. 

 

You have a heal and a good HP pool. Means than when you have a scrap, your gonna come out alive. 

 

And always remember, take RPF! So you know where they are and be ready with that AP. 2 broadside savlos with AP will make them cry. 

 

French DDs are more crusier killers with horrable concealment and Germans don't have the DMP to even think about challinging you. They totally rely on their gimmick in which you have one of your own. Your defensive smoke. Means you won't eat torps and can bum rush others smoke if you have the chance. 

 

Your quick smoke is great for going invis if the tables turn against you and he has friends. 

 

So for a silver line, RN. 

 

Premiums then the Smaland is better (best DD killer) than the daring and the Kidd is also a great DD hunter. 

 

But silver then you won't go wrong with the RN. Jutland and lighting are solid ships on the way to the daring and play the same waym

 

Just remember, the ship will only get you so far! The captains instincts, ship knowledge and map awareness is just as important.

 

Know when to engage taking into account all the information you have. know when to keep at arms length and out spot him if he will cause you trouble (so your team shoots them) andd know when to change your ammo type.

 

In my daring the only DD i fear is the  smaland, as its OP. The rest you will beat. 

 

Wanna chat? join the TS server and happy too. 

Nice take

Although I generally feel that the mid tier British DDs aren't complete utter gunboats that dumpster DDs. Daring more of that, but definitely not the tiers before that. And contrary to the German branch, the ships upto T10 have mediocre HP, and Daring has pretty ok HP, and the Germans have high hp upto the T10, and T10 has mediocre HP. So there is that. The AP on these DDs is good at T9 and T10, but pretty crap on the others. 

You are a DD that can do a lot of DD hunting and you can sustain, but you can be fairly well countered, atleast up till T9, coz the reload is actually mediocre at 4.5 seconds, and only the T10 gets the fast 2 second reload guns

 

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