How can MM be this bad???

[Cyclops_]

As per the title, how can 1 team have 1 CV yet the other have in effect 3 CV's, where is the logic in that???? how can MM like this be allowed???

 

 

 

 

[HMS_Edinburgh_C16]

wg will say its historical accurate 

[Redcap375]

I wouldn't worry about that mate, that should be the least of your concerns. 

 

Try using Match Maker Monitor.  Then you will see the full power of the player base. 

 

And when you look at your own team, you will be saying the same thing "how can this be allowed". 

 

Anyway their money spreadsheet says you are having fun as nine people have premium ships..

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Because typing

if team A ISE = 0 and team B ISE ≥ 2 then

 GetIseNum{n}

 With (n-1) do switcheroo team A T6BB team B ISE

End if

For loop n*¥

If no vodka then (fk player base) * 1024

Bonk

Igor?

End loop

[SodaBubbles]

31 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said:

As per the title, how can 1 team have 1 CV yet the other have in effect 3 CV's, where is the logic in that???? how can MM like this be allowed???

 

 

 

 

Been asking them to balance hybrids in the MM since the idea was proposed, but that's too easy, sensible, ethical, and intelligent for our developers.

On the other hand, Ise sucks unless the player is excellent. So unless your team has more than the normal allotment of potatoes, you should be ok.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

When I asked this question three or four years ago on this very forum, I was told over and over again - by regular forumites, not WG PR flacks - how it was this overly complex mathematical operation to swap out even one or two players to even things out a little when the win rate difference was this extreme.

[Bear__Necessities]

2 hours ago, Europizza said:

Because typing

if team A ISE = 0 and team B ISE ≥ 2 then

 GetIseNum{n}

 With (n-1) do switcheroo team A T6BB team B ISE

End if

For loop n*¥

If no vodka then (fk player base) * 1024

Bonk

Igor?

End loop

Close, you missed the PR = Disaster part of the equation. It goes in the middle of the crap show sandwich equation. 

[GarrusBrutus]

5 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

As per the title, how can 1 team have 1 CV yet the other have in effect 3 CV's, where is the logic in that???? how can MM like this be allowed???

And? Did you lose hard? 

[ColonelPete]

6 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

As per the title, how can 1 team have 1 CV yet the other have in effect 3 CV's, where is the logic in that???? how can MM like this be allowed???

 

 

 

 

I see only one CV.

And you play the game long enough to know how the MM works.

[Camperdown]

7 hours ago, Europizza said:

Because typing

if team A ISE = 0 and team B ISE ≥ 2 then

 GetIseNum{n}

 With (n-1) do switcheroo team A T6BB team B ISE

End if

For loop n*¥

If no vodka then (fk player base) * 1024

Bonk

Igor?

End loop

Your WG job offer is in the mail 

[Cyclops_]

3 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said:

And? Did you lose hard? 

No, funnily enough we won ????? , I am still trying to figure it out as the torp spam from 2 ISE's working together was horrendous  as they where in a division from the same clan, there downfall was that both ISE & the CV moved down the flank thinking they had won the battle and they got ambushed and killed (think they had 6 ships left and we had 4 at the time)  still  really surprised at the outcome.

[YabbaCoe]

9 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

As per the title, how can 1 team have 1 CV yet the other have in effect 3 CV's, where is the logic in that???? how can MM like this be allowed???

 

 

 

 

There is only 1 CV on both sides.

Ise is a hybrid ship, with a squadron consumable, but not a CV.

And as I can see from your another comment, you won. So MM wasn't that bad in the end...

[Cyclops_]

1 minute ago, YabbaCoe said:

There is only 1 CV on both sides.

Ise is a hybrid ship, with a squadron consumable, but not a CV.

And as I can see from your another comment, you won. So MM wasn't that bad in the end...

 

And breathe slowly Chris, breathe slowly,

 

The point being made is that you have the near equivalent of 3 CV's on one team and only one on the other, now if both teams had a CV and 2 ISE's on each team then the MM would be fine, BUT YOU DO NOT, you have approx 8 extra flights if not more of torpedo planes dropping 6 or more torps in one drop and as both ISE's where from the same clan they where Cross torping, are you getting the picture now???  the only reason they lost was they got cocky and the CV and both ISE's ran down the flank into an ambush that suddenly changed the game, it was only by bad judgment that they lost.

So if you are having a hybrid on 1 team it should be reflected in the other team, not like the above.

[MrWastee]

7 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

There is only 1 CV on both sides.

Ise is a hybrid ship, with a squadron consumable, but not a CV.

And as I can see from your another comment, you won. So MM wasn't that bad in the end...

nice try

[YabbaCoe]

7 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said:

 

And breathe slowly Chris, breathe slowly,

 

The point being made is that you have the near equivalent of 3 CV's on one team and only one on the other, now if both teams had a CV and 2 ISE's on each team then the MM would be fine, BUT YOU DO NOT, you have approx 8 extra flights if not more of torpedo planes dropping 6 or more torps in one drop and as both ISE's where from the same clan they where Cross torping, are you getting the picture now???  the only reason they lost was they got cocky and the CV and both ISE's ran down the flank into an ambush that suddenly changed the game, it was only by bad judgment that they lost.

So if you are having a hybrid on 1 team it should be reflected in the other team, not like the above.

I see your point and thanks to their Ises they had option to use some more planes in the battle. But as I mentioned, Ise is hybrid battleship, not a CV. Also in MM this ship have no limitations.

Those squadrons have 2 minutes cooldown and while controling the squadron, you can't use your ship. So that is why it might have been annoying for you when they both launched their squadrons, but especially in tier VIII battle, they probably pretty often lost some planes of those squadrons and if they managed to hit a torpedo, it gives maximum of 2767 damage. Sometimes with BB you score much more with a proper salvo.

Though it is plane related consumable, it is still a consumable and those are not reflected in MM. Same for radars, hydros, any boosters etc.

So apparently those Ise users, that are currently in the air are defendless and as you said yourself, they rushed the flank and were sunk.

[Cyclops_]

10 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

I see your point and thanks to their Ises they had option to use some more planes in the battle. But as I mentioned, Ise is hybrid battleship, not a CV. Also in MM this ship have no limitations.

Those squadrons have 2 minutes cooldown and while controling the squadron, you can't use your ship. So that is why it might have been annoying for you when they both launched their squadrons, but especially in tier VIII battle, they probably pretty often lost some planes of those squadrons and if they managed to hit a torpedo, it gives maximum of 2767 damage. Sometimes with BB you score much more with a proper salvo.

Though it is plane related consumable, it is still a consumable and those are not reflected in MM. Same for radars, hydros, any boosters etc.

So apparently those Ise users, that are currently in the air are defendless and as you said yourself, they rushed the flank and were sunk.

 

 

I guess you still can not see what happened, you had 2 ISE's, both from the same clan so on discord etc, they where able to cross torp  as per old CV before the rework, the advantage that gave them against a team that had NO ISE's, is huge, and yet you still call it a CONSUMABLE, utter garbage as it works the same a s a CV, it sits at the back and sends planes that spot and kill whilst they sit at the back unmolested, needs a real rethink before this just gets worse, for one thing cut the torps down to 2 per flight, then and only then may it be called a consumable.

 

[YabbaCoe]

7 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said:

 

 

I guess you still can not see what happened, you had 2 ISE's, both from the same clan so on discord etc, they where able to cross torp  as per old CV before the rework, the advantage that gave them against a team that had NO ISE's, is huge, and yet you still call it a CONSUMABLE, utter garbage as it works the same a s a CV, it sits at the back and sends planes that spot and kill whilst they sit at the back unmolested, needs a real rethink before this just gets worse, for one thing cut the torps down to 2 per flight, then and only then may it be called a consumable.

 

Well, if you have any division that is communicating via TeamSpeak, Discord, Skype or via any other communication voice channels, they can have same advantage of preparing common attack with their ships. So cross torp is basically possible with any two ships with torpedoes, or if they are in a division with CV.

[MementoMori_6030]

Translation: WG don't give a  if one team can flood the map with planes capable of spotting/striking and the other has none. Because this is not a game, it's an online shop offering an unbalanced, bugged and grief-ridden environment in hope that those who don't ouright quit will buy some overpriced stuff in vain hope to alleviate their suffering.

[GarrusBrutus]

Q: is it fun to play against multiple ships who can launch planes, be it an consumable or their main armament and especially if said ships can division up to coordinate their strikes on one target at the same time? 

A: https://eu.wargaming.net/shop/?utm_source=global-nav&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=wows-portal

[MrWastee]

29 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Well, if you have any division that is communicating via TeamSpeak, Discord, Skype or via any other communication voice channels, they can have same advantage of preparing common attack with their ships. So cross torp is basically possible with any two ships with torpedoes, or if they are in a division with CV.

yeah, we just need to summon a wormwhole to make up for the planes speed and ability to rule ANY positioning. dragging broad, x-drops, harassing 1by1... no matter woat, planes rule the engagement. ur tries in honor, but sometimes it might is better to say nothing imho...

[T0byJug]

1 hour ago, Cyclops_ said:

 

 

I guess you still can not see what happened, you had 2 ISE's, both from the same clan so on discord etc, they where able to cross torp  as per old CV before the rework, the advantage that gave them against a team that had NO ISE's, is huge, and yet you still call it a CONSUMABLE, utter garbage as it works the same a s a CV, it sits at the back and sends planes that spot and kill whilst they sit at the back unmolested, needs a real rethink before this just gets worse, for one thing cut the torps down to 2 per flight, then and only then may it be called a consumable.

 

Well you just answered why the other team lost...   2 tier VI battleships stayed at the back map out of gun range. Just using their limited ability Torpedoes planes and not using their much higher damage potential main battery guns. This gave your team a huge advantage for most of the match as the enemy team was down on damage dealers and HP pool

 

To be honest I do believe Hybrids should not be allowed to Div up and MM should try to equal it out a bit.

I have seen games where one team have 4 gunboat DD's while other team have 4 Torp boats or even worse 1 Torp boat 1 Deep water and 2 uber Deep water Torp bots.. you can guess how well this went for the Torp boat DD's

but the argument you giving here is very floored.

 

the other team could complain that you have Radar they do not..

 

In fact I don't think divs should be able to bring the same ship at all...  Many ships in game when ina div of 3 of the same are just SOOOOOO troll 

IE

3 okhotnik destroyer

3 Lyon battleships 

Or everyone's Favourite 

3 Giulio Cesare battleships

 

 

[st_dasa]

2 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

There is only 1 CV on both sides.

Ise is a hybrid ship, with a squadron consumable, but not a CV.

 

Thank you for clarifying this for us. I was so confused before your explanation.

 

 

 

 

 

Big thanks.

[StraightUpYourA]

 KAGA=Lex + 2(T6xISE)

[ObiWankov]

how is MM supposed to split up a division of two Ise?  

[Gudgeon]

Well, there seems to be an inability to count and equally distribute radar ships too.....are there not enough in the game queue to distribute evenly....?

 

It is like:

 

winBias = 2

 

if(teamA ==  losers) then

{

     teamBRadarCruisers = teamARadarCruisers + winBias)

 

#good luck and have fun team A 

}