Elitism

[SirAmra]

After player WG games since 2011 I've noticed a few thing regarding chat.

One thing is that most flamers aren't the elites, it's the horrible ones. And I said most....not all.

People attacking others in chat or sending PMs in garage/port are usually bad players who doesn't understand game mechs.

I got called hacker and cheater back in the day for stealthfiring BBs in my DDs when that was a thing.

Going back to wot u got called a hacker just for knowing what double bush is.

The only reason I used xvm in wot was so I could call out the flamers. It usually shut them up.

So yeah, u might say we have an elitist problem, but it isn't from the good players.

We have an elite of bad players with no grasp of reality or their own skill level. And they are toxic as fu**.

 

 

[KillStealBoss]

11 hours ago, TorucMacta said:

So the fact that I have a tier VI ship isn't cuz I 'rushed' ahead of my skill buddy I'm following the natural progression of the game.

He is telling you to not rush in the future. Aka you get T7 and then free exp to T10. Which many people do here. I saw a Yamato guy with account battles 152. 

[Saltface]

@TorucMacta

 

Well, I know you will not ask as @GarrusBrutus advised, but for some reason (unknown to me) and despite the fact that you started off with the wrong foot (saying things that I find offensive - like elitism etc - big no no in my book) you got all people on this thread trying to give you solid advice. Even Pete was moderate and tried to explain nicely. Seems your stars align.

 

Here goes my story. A couple of years ago I was a terrible player. 42%. Man I really sucked. Then the dreaded rework came along. And, from all things a man can think about, I took it up to learn how to play DDs. Dude, it was the stupidest thing someone could do at that time. Just as the rework hit the servers I decided to play DDs. I came here, on the Forum. In spoiler my first post. I asked for help. Guess what? All the "Elitists peacock winrate slave parade purples" helped me. They gave advice, reviewed my battles, divisioned with me to give me instructions, you name it they did it. Result. I still suck in cruisers and BBs (actually I stopped playing them when I took up DDs) but my WR in DDs went from ZERO to 56%. Now, I can ENJOY my game a lot more. I m not claiming that I am a good player - I let others decide how good I am. I am simply stating that the people of this forum that are accused of being elitists spent so much time on me and my game that gave me the ability to enjoy the game. I even got invited by the same "eitists" to join a competitive clan and got myself a place in the lineup. I became their DD player and I can sport 4 Typhoon seasons now.

 

Guess what....I came here and stated that I am a potato, I did not blame anyone - the universe knows how many times I was instructed to play tetris and die from syphilis, I was humble and asked for help. They all rushed to help.

 

What you must not do - DONT DO THIS - NEVER - is accuse others for your shortcomings. It does not help you in game or in life.  At least I will never answer to you or I will even troll you. 

 

This Forum is a treasure mine. It is full of garbage and hidden in this garbage you can find diamonds. It is up to you to discover them.

There are no elitists (and all associated words lol). There is a bunch of good players that have invested time and effort to learn how to play an amazing game that are willing to go out of their way to help each and everyone that wants to learn.

These same people dislike idiots that come here to cry about and accuse everything and everybody. Their brains are hardwired to this sick narrative "I m the best but the world doesn't understand me and hates me". They will get no help because it is a waste of time. 

 

So, in conclusion

 

Elitist is a compliment in my book. Non self reflecting, arrogant delusional people that blame everything and their cat for their inability to look in the mirror are the biggest problem in the game. Elitists are a blessing.

Ignore the idiots, reject their narratives, denounce their practices, be humble and ask for help AND YOU WILL LEARN TO PLAY AND ENJOY THIS GAME.

Ignore the vile stupidity in chat and concentrate on your game

It is a question of attitude.

 

Technically speaking try to endure the low tiers (up to TVI) until you get about 1000 to 1500 battles under your belt.

Why? Because the game is rather complex and you will be in a bad environment in high tiers. You will learn nothing if you get blapped out of the water in the first 5 minutes of the game.

T5 and T6 are more forgiving. You will feel the sting of your error but it will not sink you right away. You will get the necessary second chance during your game to be able to digest what happened.

It is technical. It is not "you are excluded because high tiers are only for me and my elitist friends" (BTW if you want to play high tiers tell me so I can come with my friends in div and make an easy meal out of you)

 

Post your bad games on the forum and ask for advice. Don't post your one good game. I think it is obvious why.

Oh, I don't want to forget. Grow a thicker skin. It is the Internet dude. 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

[NothingButTheRain]

17 hours ago, TorucMacta said:

Elitism

You fulthai pleb! How dair yu presume elitism!11

We are not elitists, we are ... the elite! 

[Skitzo_Sam]

OP after reading your comments and reaction to some of the people here actually being NICE to you perhaps you better take your snowflake self to co-op because you clearly cant handle being spoken to

[Calamrin]

Rear_Adm_Lyster your comments on doing rank battles is a suberb eye opener, and great advice.....all your comments are superb

 

ive been playing about 12 weeks, and i get abuse at every level/tier of the game weekly. Nasty stuff, abusive stuff. Now this is water off a ducks back to me as learning the game and doesnt bother me, but omg i would not let my son or daughter play this game...its lots of people spitting vitriol, and its not new players its seasoned players who think its great to bully new players.

Experienced players who brush it under the carpet and say should just be thick skinned, and learn to be better players are no better than people who ignore racism, and other problems in the world.

 

Theres an underlying current of nastiness from some players, and on the forums theres an underlying complicitness to it going on from some posters.

[Miscommunication]

Am 22.7.2021 um 21:12, Calamrin sagte:

Rear_Adm_Lyster your comments on doing rank battles is a suberb eye opener, and great advice.....all your comments are superb

 

ive been playing about 12 weeks, and i get abuse at every level/tier of the game weekly. Nasty stuff, abusive stuff. Now this is water off a ducks back to me as learning the game and doesnt bother me, but omg i would not let my son or daughter play this game...its lots of people spitting vitriol, and its not new players its seasoned players who think its great to bully new players.

Experienced players who brush it under the carpet and say should just be thick skinned, and learn to be better players are no better than people who ignore racism, and other problems in the world.

 

Theres an underlying current of nastiness from some players, and on the forums theres an underlying complicitness to it going on from some posters.

First of all, I think you need to be very careful with your comparisons. No one should be comparing real-world racial issues/discrimination with the childish behaviour of an immature (and probably underage) WOWS player.

 

Secondly, if you're a new player avoid ranked battles completely. It's not fair on your team in a ranked battle if you rock up (as a new player) with your T8 premium battleship that you've played less than 2 games in. And it's not fair on you either, because people expect a lot more in ranked (and it's harder to play than regularly random battles) so it may cause you to be discouraged and put you off playing the game.

 

I'm fairly quick to voice my opinion if I see someone making a poor decision in battles, particularly if the player is a CV player. But I don't run "Wows monitor" or anything like that so I'm judging everyone equally, doesn't matter if you're a new player or a veteran - if you make a poor play then I will let you know! I would never criticize anyone for being a new player - I was a new player once too!

 

If you're a new player, then the worst thing you can do for yourself is to jump in with your credit card and buy a high tier premium. Take it slow and gain the experience you need at low tiers. It'll make your high tier experience so much better when you get there (though spoilers, it's not as good as it's made out to be).

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

18 minutes ago, Mavewreck said:

if you make a poor play then I will let you know! I would never criticize anyone for being a new player - I was a new player once too!

This is it. The audacity players have to jump the tiers and throw entire games by making the most stupid decisions is the cancer of this game. It is like starting a soccer match and randomly people decide to take a nap on the grass, dig for gold in their noses, scream, refuse to play, while their mothers at the fences insist that these individuals should still be part of the team. The quality of the games gets worse and worse, because of such people. Every game is a 10:2, 9:0, 11:4 ultra stomp and maybe 2 out of 20 matches are exciting. Winning and losing is not fun in such games. There are ignorant, learning-resistant and stupid players that do not know about the points or time counter after 10.000 games, shooting low hp at the enemy getting spotted and obliterated while ALL they had to do is just sail into the map corner winning the game by points - throwing an entire 20m game out of stupidity, while their team carried their dumb **** to the game's end. After 10.000 games! There are people sailing their CV into the enemy fleet, sticking CV noses into rocks, so they can never reposition, staying afk the entire battle, giving up matches because of "OP MM". People radar or hydro in their bases and even write it into the chat. People do not know about fighter drops in higher tier CVs, smoke penalties, torpedo ranges or deepwater torpedos. There are NO WORDS to describe the average player base. The entire game gets ruined by it, same as for WoT. And all because WG creates safe spaces for such bots and actively promotes and incentivies skipping of tiers, because money. WG title's playerbase will always be a complete s***show, it will never change. In no other games the amount of ten thousands of games played goes along with such a little understanding of the game and its mechanics. And then these bots try to blame the team or insult other players the entire game, because "no support", when all they did is suicide rush into an armada and get sunk in the first 3 minutes. It is not about which team has the better players nowadays, but which team has the less braindead individuals. And yes, it is "just" a game. But still a game where winning gets rewarded.

[Calamrin]

3 hours ago, Mavewreck said:

Secondly, if you're a new player avoid ranked battles completely. It's not fair on your team in a ranked battle if you rock up (as a new player) with your T8 premium battleship that you've played less than 2 games in. And it's not fair on you either, because people expect a lot more in ranked (and it's harder to play than regularly random battles) so it may cause you to be discouraged and put you off playing the game.

The current rank battles are for tier 6 and 7. they have bronze silver and gold levels or whatever it is....surely the more experienced players get to the higher leagues, i dont see anything wrong with playing in the bronze league...isnt it why its designed that way?

 

To comment on Von Pruss. When i first started the game, you see all these campains where u need higher and higher tier ships, and all these different types of battles you can do. Nothing states you shouldnt do it, in fact the game is pretty much set up to encourage you to progress.

Random battles are random battles...with random players. If experienced players are upset cant you get them to make some kind of division system. That should appease everyone. Experienced players would get the quality they want, and the newer players would get to play with all the toys (nobody can expect people playing the game not to explore the ships available to them)

A point i would like to make (and hopefully not get shouted at too much) is that if the levels of play have dropped so much either the number of experienced players is falling or the number of newer players is expanding, or both. So if theres a lot of newer players they deserve to have fun and play the game as its designed without personal attacks (im talking about whispers after a bad game that are borderline illegal, not in game criticism which is often constructive)

 

This is unrelated but a tale from last night: start of battle in my Skane ..random guy tells me to take A. a cv spotter had already spotted 2 BBs and a baltimore cruiser on that side, and my radio location was going mad telling me a dd was in cap(had to be a gunboat as they only had 2 dds and both were) so i didnt i skirted round the outside of it. i got 2 sarcastic well dones, I then made a mistake and positioned badly, and the second dd which was skirting the first one took me by surprise and killed me. Another wave of well dones....after game 2 whispers telling me i should quit game (amongst other abusive stuff i dont want to say), then looked at my battle history and abused me on that (have since turned it to private).

[Calamrin]

On 6/28/2021 at 7:33 PM, Rear_Adm_Lyster said:

Instead I recommend playing rank games because:

 

1. Your win rate does not go down, so people who have the noob meter mod will not curse you etc.

 

2. Faster game so you learn about your ship since you get to actively fight more often to win the game, and sometimes experience the fun of carrying the game and winning solo warrior even against 4 ships or more.

 

3. Get more exp/credits because you get more chances to hit the enemy.

 

4. Get more coal and steel rewards to later get an elite captain or ship.

 

Also if you reach tier 10 on one ship tree like a cruiser, you will earn more credit/exp than lower tier.

 

In lower tier games you even get uptiered, so with lower captain points (worse detection), worse ship, getting killed seems more often.

 

Unlike the current 6-7 tier ranked when playing tier 10 you are all the same tier.

 

Instead of several ships, I recommend concentrating on a one ship type and mastering that will help better than doing all ship trees.

 

I'm not a super unicom, however, I enjoy the game, and have played since alpha testing,

 

I just got back and running a new account, since I erased all the former accounts which had many ships, etc with no regrets.

That post by Lyster has been a game changer for me.

Knowing the key things to do is one thing but you need the experience playing to put it into practice. In random battles with 10 ships when inexperienced, a single mistake or a bad position gets you killed instantly from one of a million angles. In ranked battles its a team of 6, is much more forgiving and less stressful, so you have time to think about what you are doing and where you are and going.

 

Also have had no abuse.

 

Is nice not to get overmatched by uptiering

 

The xp/credits good

 

Learnt more in 24 hours on positioning and movement than all my weeks playing randoms.

 

Thanks for that post Lyster

[Pikkozoikum]

On 6/28/2021 at 7:30 PM, TorucMacta said:

And to all the 'grow a thick skin'-crowd. I'm not [edited]crying in bed about it. I just find it weird how this game is so much worse than any other toxic online multiplier I've ever played (LoL, CSGO, Overwatch,...)

I wouldn't say, that a game is more or less toxic. Every team-pvp game with random matchmaker is mostly toxic.

 

In case of WoWS I just can tell you, that most toxicity is not even justified, because they only have their view on the situation, but not yours, that's why they often miss some important details, that you noticed in your own situation. But don't even bother to explain that, most people don't understand even after an explanation of the situation.

 

I remember a game with the old CV (Kaga), where someone called me the worst CV player EU. I had the most plane kills, the most dmg, the most points in that match... xD

Why did he say that? Because he got bombed by a CV, I didn't saved him especially. So I'm the worst CV ^^

[Skyl2aider]

On 6/28/2021 at 7:30 PM, TorucMacta said:

I'm a casual player and an absolute noob. I do my best to get the basics done. Focus on the objectives, not giving broadside, keep an eye on the minimap...

 

I have a 49% winrate in random battles, which is exactly what I'd expect for a casual noob like myself.

However it is nearly every game where I survive till the last few ships, I get flung insults and snobist remarks from players with thousands of battles more than me.

 

Is this just because I'm bad at the game or is this a wider problem? It seems like when you sink 2 ships in a destroyer, you should've sunk 4. If you use hydro to spot a destroyer in a smoke but can't finish him, you should unistall.

And that's the best of it.

I'm dabbling into CV's recently and I'm really enjoying it. However every time an enemy destroyer gets a kill you get the 'wow thanks CV' or the usual kill yourself. When you even dare say in chat you're trying the usual response is to stop playing if you're 'this bad'.

 

I don't know if it's appropriate to name names on the forum but a certain member of NORFR told me today he would murder my entire family because my tier IV aircraft were getting shot down by the enemies tier VIII battleships before I could make any big impact.(no I wasn't in a division. That's just the matchmaking you get sometimes when your tier VI CV has tier IV aircraft). Sure I know he won't do it, but it's really offputting for new players.

 

And to all the 'grow a thick skin'-crowd. I'm not [edited]crying in bed about it. I just find it weird how this game is so much worse than any other toxic online multiplier I've ever played (LoL, CSGO, Overwatch,...)

 

So. Is it just me? 

People will like to say that it is because you are bad but in reality people just care about their own winrate stats and games. They want everything t oserve their survival, games and stuff and thus tell people to advance slowly because they don't want to have you on their team, cause you aren't good enough in their eyes. Ignore/disable chat ingame will save a lot of headaches. beyond that it is a free to play game and everyone is entitled to do whatever he likes, no matter what the other players in their unsatiable desire for better stats might think of that. Moving up the tech tree is not bad advice, especially when you wanna improve, but it's given with a context. 

 

On 7/23/2021 at 9:30 AM, Mavewreck said:

It's not fair on your team in a ranked battle if you rock up (as a new player) with your T8 premium battleship that you've played less than 2 games in

And why would that be not "fair". It is a possibility ingame made by WG so whom are you to tell someone they should not play ranked. A new player is not likely to end up in gold, so anyone with the skill can move up the line and otherwise be in the lower leagues and thus accept the presence of other players that per definition have less skills. It may not be desireable for the health of the gamemode but ranked is the poor man's way to earn steel. And if someone has a tier 6 and buys a tier 8 premium so be it. Though it be nice if WG altered that, the reality that WG would then likely lose a too large amount of income makes such a change unlikely. 

The lesson, ignore forums, disable chat, and most of all, don't let yourself be stopped from having fun regardless of what anyone thinks. And if a player thanks you ingame, always thank him for his kindness, can produce some real gems of reactions. Especially when playing cv's the rule is simple, the harsher the insult the better you did your job. 

[WildWind84]

On 6/28/2021 at 11:12 PM, tocqueville8 said:

As for the general problem, the only thing that irritates me is when teammates are too stubborn (or unable to read English, understand quick commands AND minimap pinging) to follow directions, things like "reset that ship" or "turn away, don't overextend", etc.

If you were told not to make a certain mistake and you make it anyway, I'd say you deserve a downvote. But not abuse, naturally.

If you just played poorly on your own, honestly, it's fine.

 

SRY for off toppic, but... I have very important questions (important to me). First of all, Ty for you are talking/write about quick commands and minimap. My question is: 

how (with which button on keyboard) can ping (in bb, in cruiser or in dd) in minimap area? I can't find anywhere since start account until today (less than 1 year I am in game) and I really don't know how to do it? Also, how and where can better learn all about minimap? Ty in advance :)

[Estaca_de_Bares]

32 minutes ago, WildWind84 said:

SRY for off toppic, but... I have very important questions (important to me). First of all, Ty for you are talking/write about quick commands and minimap. My question is: 

how (with which button on keyboard) can ping (in bb, in cruiser or in dd) in minimap area? I can't find anywhere since start account until today (less than 1 year I am in game) and I really don't know how to do it? Also, how and where can better learn all about minimap? Ty in advance :)

Press and hold Ctrl key, that shows a cursor which you move with your mouse. Double-click on the square of the minimap you wish to point others' attention to. Other actions available with that cursor are setting an autopilot course (single click on minimap or, less prone to mistakes, in top-down whole map view), customising what is shown on the minimap (notice the cogwheels top-right of it, click them and a pop-up menu appears for adjusting plenty of elements to be active or hidden) and marking an enemy ship as a priority target for your secondaries (main view, click on him and a small A in a crosshair appears over his HP bar).

 

Salute.

[WildWind84]

46 minutes ago, Estaca_de_Bares said:

Press and hold Ctrl key, that shows a cursor which you move with your mouse. Double-click on the square of the minimap you wish to point others' attention to. Other actions available with that cursor are setting an autopilot course (single click on minimap or, less prone to mistakes, in top-down whole map view), customising what is shown on the minimap (notice the cogwheels top-right of it, click them and a pop-up menu appears for adjusting plenty of elements to be active or hidden) and marking an enemy ship as a priority target for your secondaries (main view, click on him and a small A in a crosshair appears over his HP bar).

 

Salute.

Ty captain!  :)

[Redwing6891]

My five cents....

 

Yes, this game has very much an elitism problem, and toxic chat, which is very off-putting and from WG's point of view, very bad for business. The whole point of making this game work for everyone is by growing the player base, and that means in principle it has to be noob friendly, and the community should be supportive and welcoming. I bet if WG had a way to fix this once and for all that would be worth several new ship trees and a truck load of premium ships to them.

 

If you play and make a mistake or had a beer too many and do silly things - so what? It is a game, and should only be played for fun. I have had great games and I have had bad ones, sometimes due to my own mistakes, sometimes due to others. Never mind, move on. The language that gets used in the chat is abusive and cyber-bullying. Not exactly a great calling card in the age of mental health. The best feature added to the game was the option to turn off chat completely. 

 

In a free to play game - or a pay to win game - every player has the right to enjoy the game as they choose. That is the way the game is set up. If that means working up the tree, fine. If that means spending a shedload of money on premium ships, that's no skin off my nose, too. If they want to be hyper-competitive, fine. If they just want to derp around a bit, that's fine, too. If you can't handle that, then don't play it, be it noob or super-pro.

 

I'd be very careful with telling players to do this or that as that can get across as patronising. If you want my opinion, I am happy to give it once asked. But if you'd rather figure things out by yourself, that's fine, too. There are plenty of information sources out there, like the Wiki or YouTube. Reading or watching related content is all part of the fun.

 

It is a game, folks, played for fun. No more, no less. This is not the Olympics. Win rate in this game has no real life impact. And you don't get a Gold medal either. A high win rate doesn't make you a great person, and neither does a low one make you a bad one. If players become to obsessed with winning, then maybe they should take a break and let some real life perspective back in their lives.

 

Just let everyone enjoy WoWS the way they want to.

[Calamrin]

27 minutes ago, Redwing6891 said:

My five cents....

 

Yes, this game has very much an elitism problem, and toxic chat, which is very off-putting and from WG's point of view, very bad for business. The whole point of making this game work for everyone is by growing the player base, and that means in principle it has to be noob friendly, and the community should be supportive and welcoming. I bet if WG had a way to fix this once and for all that would be worth several new ship trees and a truck load of premium ships to them.

 

If you play and make a mistake or had a beer too many and do silly things - so what? It is a game, and should only be played for fun. I have had great games and I have had bad ones, sometimes due to my own mistakes, sometimes due to others. Never mind, move on. The language that gets used in the chat is abusive and cyber-bullying. Not exactly a great calling card in the age of mental health. The best feature added to the game was the option to turn off chat completely. 

 

In a free to play game - or a pay to win game - every player has the right to enjoy the game as they choose. That is the way the game is set up. If that means working up the tree, fine. If that means spending a shedload of money on premium ships, that's no skin off my nose, too. If they want to be hyper-competitive, fine. If they just want to derp around a bit, that's fine, too. If you can't handle that, then don't play it, be it noob or super-pro.

 

I'd be very careful with telling players to do this or that as that can get across as patronising. If you want my opinion, I am happy to give it once asked. But if you'd rather figure things out by yourself, that's fine, too. There are plenty of information sources out there, like the Wiki or YouTube. Reading or watching related content is all part of the fun.

 

It is a game, folks, played for fun. No more, no less. This is not the Olympics. Win rate in this game has no real life impact. And you don't get a Gold medal either. A high win rate doesn't make you a great person, and neither does a low one make you a bad one. If players become to obsessed with winning, then maybe they should take a break and let some real life perspective back in their lives.

 

Just let everyone enjoy WoWS the way they want to.

that sums it up for me, great post, i believe some people get far too close to the game, and often it turns toxic.

 

Edit: the only reason i dont turn chat off is that once in a blue moon i get a snippet of constructive advice.

 

[WildWind84]

1 hour ago, Redwing6891 said:

My five cents....

 

Yes, this game has very much an elitism problem, and toxic chat, which is very off-putting and from WG's point of view, very bad for business. The whole point of making this game work for everyone is by growing the player base, and that means in principle it has to be noob friendly, and the community should be supportive and welcoming. I bet if WG had a way to fix this once and for all that would be worth several new ship trees and a truck load of premium ships to them.

 

If you play and make a mistake or had a beer too many and do silly things - so what? It is a game, and should only be played for fun. I have had great games and I have had bad ones, sometimes due to my own mistakes, sometimes due to others. Never mind, move on. The language that gets used in the chat is abusive and cyber-bullying. Not exactly a great calling card in the age of mental health. The best feature added to the game was the option to turn off chat completely. 

 

In a free to play game - or a pay to win game - every player has the right to enjoy the game as they choose. That is the way the game is set up. If that means working up the tree, fine. If that means spending a shedload of money on premium ships, that's no skin off my nose, too. If they want to be hyper-competitive, fine. If they just want to derp around a bit, that's fine, too. If you can't handle that, then don't play it, be it noob or super-pro.

 

I'd be very careful with telling players to do this or that as that can get across as patronising. If you want my opinion, I am happy to give it once asked. But if you'd rather figure things out by yourself, that's fine, too. There are plenty of information sources out there, like the Wiki or YouTube. Reading or watching related content is all part of the fun.

 

It is a game, folks, played for fun. No more, no less. This is not the Olympics. Win rate in this game has no real life impact. And you don't get a Gold medal either. A high win rate doesn't make you a great person, and neither does a low one make you a bad one. If players become to obsessed with winning, then maybe they should take a break and let some real life perspective back in their lives.

 

Just let everyone enjoy WoWS the way they want to.

 

With atitude like yours, I can tell you - If we meet sometimes in game, you are always welcome to tell constructive advice but in pp messages because I can read it after battle and not ih hurry in chat :)