Elitism

[TorucMacta]

I'm a casual player and an absolute noob. I do my best to get the basics done. Focus on the objectives, not giving broadside, keep an eye on the minimap...

 

I have a 49% winrate in random battles, which is exactly what I'd expect for a casual noob like myself.

However it is nearly every game where I survive till the last few ships, I get flung insults and snobist remarks from players with thousands of battles more than me.

 

Is this just because I'm bad at the game or is this a wider problem? It seems like when you sink 2 ships in a destroyer, you should've sunk 4. If you use hydro to spot a destroyer in a smoke but can't finish him, you should unistall.

And that's the best of it.

I'm dabbling into CV's recently and I'm really enjoying it. However every time an enemy destroyer gets a kill you get the 'wow thanks CV' or the usual kill yourself. When you even dare say in chat you're trying the usual response is to stop playing if you're 'this bad'.

 

I don't know if it's appropriate to name names on the forum but a certain member of NORFR told me today he would murder my entire family because my tier IV aircraft were getting shot down by the enemies tier VIII battleships before I could make any big impact.(no I wasn't in a division. That's just the matchmaking you get sometimes when your tier VI CV has tier IV aircraft). Sure I know he won't do it, but it's really offputting for new players.

 

And to all the 'grow a thick skin'-crowd. I'm not [edited]crying in bed about it. I just find it weird how this game is so much worse than any other toxic online multiplier I've ever played (LoL, CSGO, Overwatch,...)

 

So. Is it just me? 

[ColonelPete]

• not everyone complaning is better than you - people like to complain, that is what they do
• CV are a special targets for complaints, as many people do not like the ships and/or do not understand how they are played ( you cannot spot everything on the map at the same time)
• your performance is quite mixed, but that is natural at such an early stage, as you played below 200 battles outside beginner protection, you need time getting used to playing vs more experienced players
• please make sure that you do not advance the Tiers too quickly, try getting used to your ships and try out multiple lines and classes to get a better understanding of the game

[anonym_PmF3ObB8KP4o]

4 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

I'm a casual player and an absolute noob. I do my best to get the basics done. Focus on the objectives, not giving broadside, keep an eye on the minimap...

 

I have a 49% winrate in random battles, which is exactly what I'd expect for a casual noob like myself.

However it is nearly every game where I survive till the last few ships, I get flung insults and snobist remarks from players with thousands of battles more than me.

 

Is this just because I'm bad at the game or is this a wider problem? It seems like when you sink 2 ships in a destroyer, you should've sunk 4. If you use hydro to spot a destroyer in a smoke but can't finish him, you should unistall.

And that's the best of it.

I'm dabbling into CV's recently and I'm really enjoying it. However every time an enemy destroyer gets a kill you get the 'wow thanks CV' or the usual kill yourself. When you even dare say in chat you're trying the usual response is to stop playing if you're 'this bad'.

 

I don't know if it's appropriate to name names on the forum but a certain member of NORFR told me today he would murder my entire family because my tier IV aircraft were getting shot down by the enemies tier VIII battleships before I could make any big impact.(no I wasn't in a division. That's just the matchmaking you get sometimes when your tier VI CV has tier IV aircraft). Sure I know he won't do it, but it's really offputting for new players.

 

And to all the 'grow a thick skin'-crowd. I'm not [edited]crying in bed about it. I just find it weird how this game is so much worse than any other toxic online multiplier I've ever played (LoL, CSGO, Overwatch,...)

 

So. Is it just me? 

I agree with you.

 

Nowadays, there is a mod that shows your PR rating, so people are even more evil when things go not what they expect.

 

I don't play as much as I would like to, but I have played over 7,000 games since alpha do an average a bit over 51~ 55% win rate most of the time.

 

So I left the game for two and half years because people were so... and 'balans' was getting worse and ...

 

I'm back fresh, I just block message them when they go way out of their line.

 

Cheers, there is still nice people out there. So it is not only you. :D

 

 

 

 

 

[anonym_PmF3ObB8KP4o]

7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

• not everyone complaning is better than you - people like to complain, that is what they do
• CV are a special targets for complaints, as many people do not like the ships and/or do not understand how they are played ( you cannot spot everything on the map at the same time)
• your performance is quite mixed, but that is natural at such an early stage, as you played below 200 battles outside beginner protection, you need time getting used to playing vs more experienced players
• please make sure that you do not advance the Tiers too quickly, try getting used to your ships and try out multiple lines and classes to get a better understanding of the game

I disagree.

 

People should play whatever they want.

 

No matter how many games you play maybe you can't improve over a certain extent.

 

And under current meta,

 

Your team melts either too fast or you win too fast for a noob player to really make any damage before the end of the game.

 

Instead I recommend playing rank games because:

 

1. Your win rate does not go down, so people who have the noob meter mod will not curse you etc.

 

2. Faster game so you learn about your ship since you get to actively fight more often to win the game, and sometimes experience the fun of carrying the game and winning solo warrior even against 4 ships or more.

 

3. Get more exp/credits because you get more chances to hit the enemy.

 

4. Get more coal and steel rewards to later get an elite captain or ship.

 

Also if you reach tier 10 on one ship tree like a cruiser, you will earn more credit/exp than lower tier.

 

In lower tier games you even get uptiered, so with lower captain points (worse detection), worse ship, getting killed seems more often.

 

Unlike the current 6-7 tier ranked when playing tier 10 you are all the same tier.

 

Instead of several ships, I recommend concentrating on a one ship type and mastering that will help better than doing all ship trees.

 

I'm not a super unicom, however, I enjoy the game, and have played since alpha testing,

 

I just got back and running a new account, since I erased all the former accounts which had many ships, etc with no regrets.

 

 

 

 

 

[TorucMacta]

55 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

• not everyone complaning is better than you - people like to complain, that is what they do
• CV are a special targets for complaints, as many people do not like the ships and/or do not understand how they are played ( you cannot spot everything on the map at the same time)
• your performance is quite mixed, but that is natural at such an early stage, as you played below 200 battles outside beginner protection, you need time getting used to playing vs more experienced players
• please make sure that you do not advance the Tiers too quickly, try getting used to your ships and try out multiple lines and classes to get a better understanding of the game

 

I hope you understand you're a cute example of the problem.

I'm spending a single dollar on this game and am trying to advance my dd's, bb's cruisers and cv's at the same rate... So the fact that I have a tier VI ship isn't cuz I 'rushed' ahead of my skill buddy I'm following the natural progression of the game. But I guess you're right. Maybe noobs like me should sit in tier I for 3000 games before daring to step into the next tier.

[SV_Kompresor]

15 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

 

I hope you understand you're a cute example of the problem.

I'm spending a single dollar on this game and am trying to advance my dd's, bb's cruisers and cv's at the same rate... So the fact that I have a tier VI ship isn't cuz I 'rushed' ahead of my skill buddy I'm following the natural progression of the game. But I guess you're right. Maybe noobs like me should sit in tier I for 3000 games before daring to step into the next tier.

Damn, you got really defensive really quick. And the biggest irony in this is that that post is one of the few posts, where pete was actually helpful. See the thing is. He wasn't referring to what you did. Getting to tier 6 in your battles is absolutely fine (some may even say slow). He was referring to a mistake you might do if you're not careful in the future. A mistake many make. Which is rushing to tier 10.

[TorucMacta]

3 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Which is rushing to tier 10.

Which is the exact point I was trying to make. There's no rush! I play just a couple of games. No premium, no gold, no nothing. I saved my way up to the ranger (tier VI with Tier IV bombers and torpedo bombers), hit random battle, was one of the only two tier VI's in a tier VIII battle and it was all my fault. I shouldn't have started the game unless I was planning on getting krakken and only play in battles where I'm the top tier.

 

But guess what? You don't choose when you will be top or bottom tier. You don't choose when ship spawns mean a tier VIII cruiser parks itself in front of you and shoots down all your aircraft before they take off.

 

But you do choose to tell people to quit playing, to discourage them from trying harder the next game, just because they're new to the game. Being new is a sin in this game it seems like. That's what ColonelPete says in his post at least. That's what every chat says when you're bottom tier in a losing game. And that's a very sad state for a game to be in. Because the second elitism starts to stop the influx of new players, is the second your game starts to die.

[SV_Kompresor]

6 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

Which is the exact point I was trying to make. There's no rush! I play just a couple of games. No premium, no gold, no nothing

And pete never mentioned anything about that. It was just an advice for when (or if) you decide to go for a tier 10.

 

6 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

But you do choose to tell people to quit playing, to discourage them from trying harder the next game, just because they're new to the game. Being new is a sin in this game it seems like. That's what ColonelPete says in his post at least. That's what every chat says when you're bottom tier in a losing game. And that's a very sad state for a game to be in. Because the second elitism starts to stop the influx of new players, is the second your game starts to die.

That's the internet for you. The place where people are mean as hell. If these things bother you too much there is a way to disable chat somewhere in the settings i believe.

[TorucMacta]

9 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

That's the internet for you. The place where people are mean as hell. If these things bother you too much there is a way to disable chat somewhere in the settings i believe.

As I said twice now. I can handle toxic. It's the way this community, including this threat it seems like, is hell-bent on stopping new people from entering....

 

Case in point. The two people in this threat with over 10k battles are telling the beginner to just stay down at tier IV and stop whining. The guy with under 200 battles agrees... How [edited]interesting that the elite claim elitism isn't a problem bahahahaha

[SV_Kompresor]

9 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

As I said twice now. I can handle toxic. It's the way this community, including this threat it seems like, is hell-bent on stopping new people from entering....

 

Case in point. The two people in this threat with over 10k battles are telling the beginner to just stay down at tier IV and stop whining. The guy with under 200 battles agrees... How [edited]interesting that the elite claim elitism isn't a problem bahahahaha

Oh wow....so you make up stuff so you can play a victim. What is this world coming to. If you want to believe everybody is against you then you are free to do so karen. Want me to get the manager or something?

[TorucMacta]

2 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

.so you make up stuff

Literally does the thing I accuse you about, then calling it made up :p

Why did I think the forum would be any better than the in-game chat?

[lup3s]

8 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

As I said twice now. I can handle toxic. It's the way this community, including this threat it seems like, is hell-bent on stopping new people from entering....

 

I have re-read Pete's post multiple times now and I'm not really sure where you get that impression from.

 

It seems solid advice to get used to a ship (/line) before going to higher / highest tiers.

 

Would be a shame if someone quit the game early because he got his butt handed to him due to inexperience.

[SV_Kompresor]

1 minute ago, TorucMacta said:

Literally does the thing I accuse you about, then calling it made up :p

Why did I think the forum would be any better than the in-game chat?

Litterally does what? Try to offer good advice while you constantly flail around insulting people? Sounds about right. I'm beginning to think it was you who started it in your ingame chat tbh.

[ColonelPete]

40 minutes ago, Rear_Adm_Lyster said:

I disagree.

 

People should play whatever they want.

...

I said nothing against playing what you want...

Suggesting Ranked for learning can be a two edged sword. Ranked is more challenging. This can improve your learning speed, but it can also frustrate you. Ranked is also more toxic in general.

39 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

 

I hope you understand you're a cute example of the problem.

I'm spending a single dollar on this game and am trying to advance my dd's, bb's cruisers and cv's at the same rate... So the fact that I have a tier VI ship isn't cuz I 'rushed' ahead of my skill buddy I'm following the natural progression of the game. But I guess you're right. Maybe noobs like me should sit in tier I for 3000 games before daring to step into the next tier.

But I did not say that...

I did not tell you to stay where you are or even go lower. I just suggested to not rush up the Tiers and try out multiple lines, since gaining experience is important and you played only a few battles vs real enemies. When you feel ready to advance, then advance.

[TorucMacta]

2 minutes ago, lup3s said:

Would be a shame if someone quit the game early because he got his butt handed to him due to inexperience.

I fully agree!

There should be a safe place for new people to learn the game (and there is. Isn't it like a think where tier IV will only at most face one tier higher? And there's co-op)

And nobody should rush into tier X, get wrecked and then cry about it. That is not my point

 

I really don't care I get my [edited]handed to me every so often. Teaches me what not to do in the game :p

 

It's the attitude of 'new players should not play' that is toxic and destructive. 

 

4 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Litterally does what?

Deny there's an elitism problem in the community while being part of that elite. Of course  you don't see the problem. People don't tell you to quit playing because you're new because surprise. You aren't!

 

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

When you feel ready to advance, then advance.

I agree that's how it should be! But that's not how the game works. You grind your way up to the next tier. Get your [edited]handed to you the first time you play there (as you should!) but then are to blame for the loss, get reported, get insulted and get told to quit playing.

But Toruc, you say, explain to them you're new and trying to learn. And well that only makes crap worse. Because now all you hear is "lol. Only tier VII after 400 games? better quit. Game clearly isn't for you"

 

The problem is you cannot advance when you feel ready. You're only allowed to advance when you're already dominant in the next tier up, before even entering it. Players with thousands or tens of thousands of games, like our dear Kompressor, expect you to be great at a ship the second you pick it up.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, TorucMacta said:

I agree that's how it should be! But that's not how the game works. You grind your way up to the next tier. Get your [edited]handed to you the first time you play there (as you should!) but then are to blame for the loss, get reported, get insulted and get told to quit playing.

But Toruc, you say, explain to them you're new and trying to learn. And well that only makes crap worse. Because now all you hear is "lol. Only tier VII after 400 games? better quit. Game clearly isn't for you"

 

The problem is you cannot advance when you feel ready. You're only allowed to advance when you're already dominant in the next tier up, before even entering it. Players with thousands or tens of thousands of games, like our dear Kompressor, expect you to be great at a ship the second you pick it up.

• everyone starts with one battle
• everyone has to learn new ships
• we have all been there
• maybe you listen too much to other players in game
• be critical of yourself, then you will find your pace

[SV_Kompresor]

7 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

Deny there's an elitism problem in the community while being part of that elite. Of course  you don't see the problem. People don't tell you to quit playing because you're new because surprise. You aren't!

No, instead they tell me I'm hacking and that I should get [insert some disease here]. And yet it hasn't broken me.

 

7 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

but then are to blame for the loss, get reported, get insulted and get told to quit playing.

So? Most of the players saying that are themselves the actual reason for the loss. You're taking it way too seriously.

 

7 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

The problem is you cannot advance when you feel ready. You're only allowed to advance when you're already dominant in the next tier up, before even entering it. Players with thousands or tens of thousands of games, like our dear Kompressor, expect you to be great at a ship the second you pick it up.

No, I don't, yet you keep saying it so you can make yourself feel like a victim and me the bad guy. You can play what you want and how you want. You'll always get insulted. I usually take that as a compliment.

[lup3s]

51 minutes ago, TorucMacta said:

It's the attitude of 'new players should not play' that is toxic and destructive. 

 

I could be wrong here - as I don't get any of these type of messages since I'm not a new player by any standard - but I don't feel this "new players should not play" attitude to be as present as you describe; yes there are plenty of toxic players in chat, but I don't really see them targeting the new players per se (I would even dare to state that if any group was more targeted than others, it's those players who have many thousands of battles and are still performing really bad). Even good players are targeted, if not with "hackusations" than with this "unicum = elitist = bad" attitude.

 

Online, everyone can be hated for anything - even if it doesn't make any sense.

 

And regardless the "tier-rushing", I think Pete worded it nicely with :

59 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

When you feel ready to advance, then advance.

 

[tocqueville8]

3 hours ago, TorucMacta said:

my tier IV aircraft were getting shot down by the enemies tier VIII battleships before I could make any big impact.(no I wasn't in a division. That's just the matchmaking you get sometimes when your tier VI CV has tier IV aircraft).

Been there, done that.

 

Honestly, there is a particularly virulent hatred against CV players, even part-time ones.

Blap a cruiser for 25k in a BB and you'll hardly hear a peep, but drop a few torps on a BB that doesn't even bother with turning, and he'll send you a private message in port wishing you all sort of suffering.

I once confronted one of these keyboard-warriors after a match, and he candidly admitted he was just following along with the CV-bashing from Twitch and YT. I explained to him they're not easier to play than everything else, we talked about the stats for a bit and he apologized. It's groupthink, basically.

 

As for the general problem, the only thing that irritates me is when teammates are too stubborn (or unable to read English, understand quick commands AND minimap pinging) to follow directions, things like "reset that ship" or "turn away, don't overextend", etc.

If you were told not to make a certain mistake and you make it anyway, I'd say you deserve a downvote. But not abuse, naturally.

If you just played poorly on your own, honestly, it's fine.

[Verblonde]

4 hours ago, TorucMacta said:

Case in point. The two people in this threat with over 10k battles are telling the beginner to just stay down at tier IV and stop whining.

Serious question: are you using Google translate or similar? This is absolutely not what was suggested to you; what I took from earlier posts was very sensible advice:

• Don't rush up the tiers (or you can - entirely up to you - but don't whinge when you get your posterior handed to you); there are many good reasons for this including that it gives you a chance to cope with the various 'nasty' mechanics in the game in a logical order, it allows you to develop situational awareness which is essential, and it allows you to develop 'good enough' captains. There are other reasons too, but those are all key.
• Play all the classes (even CVs if you must); besides reducing the chances of the game getting dull, it'll make you a much more effective player e.g. after a couple of games in BBs, it's doubtful if you'll ever sail in a straight line at constant speed again etc.

On top of that, I'd suggest joining a clan (preferably one that uses voice comms in whatever your first language is, and is happy to teach), keep asking questions on here (there are lots of people happy to help, provided people aren't Richards), and when you die in battle, keep watching what the survivors do, although sometimes it may be an exercise in what not to do.

[Benser33]

4 hours ago, TorucMacta said:

So. Is it just me? 

It's not just you, many players lack the attention span and awareness to even know what they themselves are doing, let alone have any valid input about other players. If they're dead a lot because they don't know how to play how can they criticise anyone else?

 

You can do 200k damage and survive to the final moments of a game and some know-it-all pleb that wasn't even on the same side of the map will tell you what a useless camper you are. Just like the muppets that will dive straight into the nearest cap circle with their partly prepared german secondary BBs, dying as soon as is physically possible and then blame their team for not joining their suicidal strategy.

 

You even namedrop a clan, NORFR, which seems to have 1 average player while the rest range from below average to downright abyssmal. This isn't elitists you're complaining about, it's petulant idiots who play like garbage because they blame everyone except themselves and never improve as a result.

 

Ignore them, anyone who criticises what you do with any malice is probably a moron. Yeah you might make mistakes; smart, experienced players still make mistakes. Some criticism might be valid, but then it might just be the angry ranting of a salty fool who would rather stamp his keyboard. Keep learning as you go and recognise your own mistakes and learn from those and care less about what random people think.

[Pururut]

4 hours ago, TorucMacta said:

And to all the 'grow a thick skin'-crowd. I'm not [edited]crying in bed about it.

I second that notion as you are doing it on a forum thread instead. Not that I am blaming you with all this victim play and sudden bursts of anger; we all go through that adolescent stage in our lives and that is okay.

 

Now regarding your CV problem. It is always a bad experience to use a stock carrier and get uptiered in your first matches. You try to hit stuff and lose all your planes. People throw flak at you in the chat and everyone gets angry for something that is utterly pointless. 

 

CVs have a two staged solution; grind or buy some free xp and upgrade your planes. Flags help a lot and if you have premium account and/or premium ships that is even better. Yes the concept of stock ships is not comfortable nor fair but it is Wargamings game and us players dont have a say in game design so deal with it. For the second stage I want you to grab a pen and a paper. Go to the WoWS wiki page and take notes about how AA works. Combine what you have learnt with the tech tree ships you can encounter in your tier 6 CV and note down their AA values. To save you time; look at tier 7-8 cruisers and battleships. Understanding which ships to evade and which to attack will help you become a better CV player.

 

3 hours ago, Rear_Adm_Lyster said:

Instead of several ships, I recommend concentrating on a one ship type and mastering that will help better than doing all ship trees.

This is a bad idea. A CV player in particular needs to have a first hand perspective on how other classes are played and interact with each other. Grinding multiple nations and ship types will help OP with focusing on what to attack and what to evade for his teams benefit and not just on obtaining big damage that doesnt help anyone. I also dont like how you exploit ranked battles for your own benefit but not much of a point in debating that as Wargaming allows it.

 

3 hours ago, TorucMacta said:

Hope you understand you're a cute example of the problem.

Judging from your posts and the change of tone in them in this thread alone I think you should disable chat at least until you get a solid grasp on carriers or whatever class you enjoy playing. Once you start playing well you wont bother with what others think and say as much. 

[GarrusBrutus]

@TorucMacta

Sad to hear that apparently this is how new players get treated by (some) veterans. If it's true or not, does not matter. It's your feelings. But please don't let a few rotten appels discourage you from playing a fun game. (yes it may seem like more than a few but let's try to stay positive)

 

If you're keen on improving your game and enjoy the journey that comes with it, this forum is an absolute goldmine with experience. The guys you just called 'part of the problem' are not elitists at all, quite the contrary in fact. If you keep an open mind to constructive criticism, those guys and many more (including myself dare I say) on this forum can provide you with limitless information: tips, tricks, do's and dont's, but especially replay analysis can be game changing for new players. 

 

Improving my gameplay is one of the most fun parts of the game, in my opinion. I wish for you to enjoy that as well. 

 

Ask for help and you shall receive plenty. @Saltface can tell you all about it. 

But please do not judge people based on just their battle count. 

 

Ps. Introduced a colleague of mine to WoWS the past weeks. He stopped playing League of legends due to the rampant toxicity. According to him world of warships feels like a Lan party with friends compared to LoL. Not saying you're wrong. Simply pointing out how different experiences can be from player to player. 

[anonym_PmF3ObB8KP4o]

4 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

I said nothing against playing what you want...

Suggesting Ranked for learning can be a two edged sword. Ranked is more challenging. This can improve your learning speed, but it can also frustrate you. Ranked is also more toxic in general.

But I did not say that...

I did not tell you to stay where you are or even go lower. I just suggested to not rush up the Tiers and try out multiple lines, since gaining experience is important and you played only a few battles vs real enemies. When you feel ready to advance, then advance.

I just made a suggestion from a real noob point of view.

 

When I start a new account, which I have done a lot to test several things, like the disappearance of the server...

 

I play Co-op on all my new accounts, until I reach tier 4 and have fully researched all the modules, got a captain, camou, and never spend even a dollar during that stage.

 

Getting through the access levels.

 

In fact, I start random games on the tree that I want to try out.

 

And from a noob perspective, because you can't earn a lot or credits if you don't do a lot of damage and survive to the end of a game.

 

I don't even buy camou with credits until tier 5.

Or even use flags.

 

Because when you freshly start you get bots and real player mix for tier 4 random games and some time later you start to get full real players on both sides.

 

Earning enough credits is hard at the beginning,

even now it is hard for me to do several trees or lines and types of ships.

 

Let alone win constantly to earn the credits to upgrade the ship and move up the tree.

 

If you lose, you earn less credits and less exp, and the premium accounts you get for free only last 14 days +
 

And at certain access levels you start getting log in awards which are light until you do like 15 days or more straight to reach the coal and containers.

 

I do combat missions to get free flags and stuff.

Try to activitely finish collections to get the premium days for free etc.

 

Play scenarios like raptor to get free 10 point captains, and also gain exp and credits.

 

And what I meant by one tree for tier 10 is that by the time a noob player reaches tier 10 in one ship tree without premiums,

 

you need to really play a lot of matches to reach that tier on one line cause when you die,

I don't go out of the match, I stay and see how other players play. And learn how they do it too.

 

By the time you reach tier 10 your captaim will have more than 16 points, when I did my first yami I had about 16 points by tier 10.

 

And by that time you will have played against a lot of other players and died a lot.

 

How can a noob player afford many lines, even two lines, I haf hard to time even paying for repaira and camou, flag when I was noob.

 

The reason I said rank is that you don't win a lot games under Random, and in weekends you could lose 10-20 games straight.

 

However in ranked to reach rank 1 in bronze in the current sprint rank system,

you could go up the ranks even if you play bad for super unicom players carry hard and win a lot of games, something that cannot be done continuously in random games unless in a div with players you know well.

 

And by winning rank games you earn a lot or exp and credits. 
 

And yes it is toxic, but tou have to learn, and there are nice people out there you help you if you ask for the help.

 

Trying to finish the bronze challenge, and going to silver league for example will make you improve.

 

And your captain will gain valuable exp points to get the skill points.

 

All in all, I suggested ranked games cause they are shorter too.

 

Imagine you have one ship, you die, waiting for the ship to come back while watching the game you played in...

 

Doing several types of ships...

even tier 6 requires a lot of exp and credits for a non premium noob player.

 

And without flag, camou and low point captains, how can they win enough points to repair and earn more credits than the repair fees.

 

CV is hard as it is, cause lower tier CVs have less planes, for example Hyosho has only one torp per drop but several planes 8?

 

I don't hate CV players it is part of the no balans game.

 

A noob player who reaches Midway can seriously compete against Halsey FDR super unicom?

 

they can sling shot, and get less damage and get back quick because of better aggressive map positioning near target area and keep punching damage... 

 

A noob player migth miss a torp run, bomb, or even attack planes against dds even...

 

Not alone hit super dds halland/smalland AA

Kidd, etc

 

Several ship types might be good if you play a lot of games per week, but if you're an average noob and play 10-20 games per day?

 

average 5 minutes per game, going over 10 minutes unless a cv is rare...

 

1 vs 1 against good players and sometimes bad positioning which is common and focus fire over extending etc means instant death...

 

As a noob I remember dying early and trying out new ship types and nations, but soon I had no credits to buy the ships when reaching tier 7.

 

The higher the tier the more credits...

 

I don't think it is the number of games,

To me it is the captain points,

I concentrate in getting a full captain on one tree.

 

And nowadays 21 points is tough,

however by the time you get that full captain, you will have enough free exp and credits for changing captains to different ship without using dooblons?

 

I still it is hard to win in random games and even winning over 40 is doing great,

 

I remember constantly being nuked at tier 4-5 by 6/7 bbs CVs dd cruiser with great skills.

 

earning crumble of credits and exp...

Everybody has a opinion,

I did not critize him, meant it as a suggestion?

 

If you play 100 rank games vs 100 random games,

which will earn more credits for a noob?

I think when you don't have a 10 point captain it makes a big difference in the game.

 

Doing several types of ship even at tier 5-6 is a lot credits...

 

Random games take too long to get your ship back...

And even if you win, I doubt it if you can do 200k damage like the experts, I never do even now...

 

If i really work hard in a game maybe 60k damage or more.. If lucky maybe 80kish

 

But doing 100k is difficult on normal ship non premium tier 4-5 ships, with low point captains...

 

I remember dying all the time... meager credits and exp.

 

Nowadays without spending a dollar I can reach tier 10 in about a week from scratch if i play everyday....

 

And I still think I'm noob player in a lot of ways...

but i ask people for advice all the time,

although improving slowly...

 

Thank you all for your suggestions,

no hard intentions, just stating the facts about being new, not spending...

 

I usually don't waste any captain points when grinding up my first tier 10,

win the exp and necessary penalty to start earning captain exp on new ship,

I save everthing for getting new ships like Nelson, etc...

 

or getting a real captain I want,

and boosting him to 21

about 1.2 million exp from 19 point.

 

My first captain on UK line is about 19 points now at tier 10.

I have about 700k free exp, so I plan to invest on the captain skills so that when full captain he can earn captain exp to use on other captains/nations I want in the future.

 

Seriously low tier earns lot less...

and unless you're a seal clubber, you do the same at lower tiers and in high tiers you earn more credit, if you survive...

 

 A new player meets Smalland, Marceau, Thunderer, Stanlingrad, FDR etc...

 

but if he/she hits or even makes a small damage to the higher tier ships, he/she is helping killing the possible great player... not that all OP ship users are great players...

I could go on and go on...

 

I do appreciate your comments...

A new player can try it out, the notion that

most players are about the same skill level in lower tiers is not true, you get fully camou, captain, upgrade in your face even in tier 1 even div...

 

well at lower tiers you don't get torp dodges, or meet players who can dodge your rockets even, as much as you would in higher...

 

I'm not a great cv player and never was...

 

I looked on my games player before erasing my last account 3000 games 275 ships, but about 20 games max per ship type...

 

Was not great at any ship, just got to exp what it feels like to die in that tier...

 

I quit before because of super toxic, balans CV rework, OP ships, even trolls? From same clan on different sides if the team somehow getting higher exp credit and surviving to the end of the game while others myseriously die?

 

I got back. need a lot if help to get back in good playing order...

 

But the games are finishing faster...

More lemming trains, campers, toxic chat... than before...

 

But at least the rank games last less and have much higher exp/credit returns...

 

Anyways, finishing a line I still feel is better than doing several trees even at tier 6,

since at the start credits are a burden,

By the time a freshly new player reaches tier 10 he/she will have enough exp/credits to try other types of ships... nations.

 

But a lot players say try several, well where do you get the credits to buy all the ships and upgrades to tier 6...

Earning less than 1000 exp in randoms after a loss, repair could be a minus at higher tiers...

 

Several ships = several minus credits so at the end of day you won't have enough credits to buy the new ship even if you have enough exp points...

 

It costs a lot to buy flags in my opinion...

So I don't use them, unless doing combat missions etc...

 

But I take this opportunity to thank you all for your time...

 

And that is why I'm back, there are still people out there willing to help others...

 

I'm trying to help, and show from my experience...

Look at my stats.. not a great player even now...

 

But I thank all of you. I'm sure people have a lot to say...I could talk for ages...

 

But I will end my part here since difference of opiniin probably will not be overcome.

 

Now I will concentrate on my own ship. 
Good luck all :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[KillStealBoss]

13 hours ago, TorucMacta said:

I'm dabbling into CV's recently and I'm really enjoying it. However every time an enemy destroyer gets a kill you get the 'wow thanks CV' or the usual kill yourself. When you even dare say in chat you're trying the usual response is to stop playing if you're 'this bad'.

People just hate CVs in general so no surprise and it's no elitism, not related to stats either.