M. Richthofen terrible suffering

[silence5]

Honestly. 

You have to be mentally insane to like this ship in randoms.

I'm trying to make it work.

 

Abusing the long range over the islands rocket planes, dropping the fast torps on DDs, only bombing BBs with the huge AP bomber circle. 

 

I know people are not the brightest but most of them know they have to turn when they see the rocket planes ... In most occasions when they enemy cruiser is locked in due to my BB siting infornt of him there is an island on one side and a Halland on the other side. 

Why is the sigma of the AP bombers so bad that all my bombs hit on the edge of the aiming circle every time. If I get a citadel on a BB its reasons for celebration. Why is it so RNG dependant ... it takes all skill out of the game... Oh wait thats the whole point of this game. Thats the only reason why hakuryu is banned in CWs ... its reliable.

Edit: I forgot that the childish CV players vs surface ships flame wars are still a thing after 4 years. I just wanted to vent my frustration with WG. You can ignore this thread. Nothing good comes out whenever people need to show their dominance over a chat room on the internet. 

[MementoMori_6030]

Ceterum censeo CV esse delendam. 

[159Hunter]

And the CV sticky topic wasn't good enough for you why exactly?

[arttuperkunas]

The trials of young Manfred... :(

[silence5]

12 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

And the CV sticky topic wasn't good enough for you why exactly?

Who doesn't like posting in a huge thread and getting their thought buried by WGs favorite kind of censorship... ignoring. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

18 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

And the CV sticky topic wasn't good enough for you why exactly?

I'm curious when players complain about carriers they are referred to forum gulag, but when carrier players complain about carriers they get all the forum mileage they require. 

[arttuperkunas]

6 minutes ago, Europizza said:

I'm curious when players complain about carriers they are referred to forum gulag, but when carrier players complain about carriers they get all the forum mileage they require. 

All animals are equal; some animals are more equal than others?

[159Hunter]

7 minutes ago, silence5 said:

Who doesn't like posting in a huge thread and getting their thought buried by WGs favorite kind of censorship... ignoring. 

Well, this is already the second sticky CV topic after they removed the first one. But somehow WG still feels CVs are in a good state ( be it too weak / too strong). The forums suggest otherwise, but WG is just bad at customer communications. 

That being said, most CV OP posts get removed in no time whilst the CV UP posts stay up. That's  quality moderation I guess ?

[Bear__Necessities]

6 minutes ago, Europizza said:

I'm curious when players complain about carriers they are referred to forum gulag, but when carrier players complain about carriers they get all the forum mileage they require. 

#CVbabiesdoublestandards

[silence5]

7 minutes ago, Europizza said:

I'm curious when players complain about carriers they are referred to forum gulag, but when carrier players complain about carriers they get all the forum mileage they require. 

Its not like I'm specifically a carrier player. Just the fact that I have to play a CV for my clan in CW and as you can see I'm not on the bad side with my skill level either. 
Its just so bad how WG took care of the CV issiue by ignoring it and the community instead of actually fighting to balance this game ... fighting among themselves.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

5 minutes ago, silence5 said:

Its not like I'm specifically a carrier player. Just the fact that I have to play a CV for my clan in CW and as you can see I'm not on the bad side with my skill level either. 
Its just so bad how WG took care of the CV issiue by ignoring it and the community instead of actually fighting to balance this game ... fighting among themselves.

Yeah I'm not assuming anyone here but a few are carrier mains. Anyone playing carriers amongst their other ship is a carrier player, and a dd player, and a cruiser player etc. I haven't played them for quite some time, but I will try them again on my carrier account, trying my hand at sniping carriers with carriers.

It is a sad affair. I love piloting, but none of the WG titles gets it right.

[silence5]

11 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

Well, this is already the second sticky CV topic after they removed the first one. But somehow WG still feels CVs are in a good state ( be it too weak / too strong). The forums suggest otherwise, but WG is just bad at customer communications. 

That being said, most CV OP posts get removed in no time whilst the CV UP posts stay up. That's  quality moderation I guess ?

This is exactly why I stay away from forums most of the time ... People taking sides instead of thinking. But m'kay. Stroke your ego. 

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, silence5 said:

Honestly. 

You have to be mentally insane to like this ship in randoms.

I'm trying to make it work.

 

Abusing the long range over the islands rocket planes, dropping the fast torps on DDs, only bombing BBs with the huge AP bomber circle. 

 

I know people are not the brightest but most of them know they have to turn when they see the rocket planes ... In most occasions when they enemy cruiser is locked in due to my BB siting infornt of him there is an island on one side and a Halland on the other side. 

Why is the sigma of the AP bombers so bad that all my bombs hit on the edge of the aiming circle every time. If I get a citadel on a BB its reasons for celebration. Why is it so RNG dependant ... it takes all skill out of the game... Oh wait thats the whole point of this game. Thats the only reason why hakuryu is banned in CWs ... its reliable.

Edit: I forgot that the childish CV players vs surface ships flame wars are still a thing after 4 years. I just wanted to vent my frustration with WG. You can ignore this thread. Nothing good comes out whenever people need to show their dominance over a chat room on the internet. 

 

Reserve the AP rockets  for when you see camping Cruisers behind islands. Fly around the island and citadel them. Every match has at least 1 or 2 camper Cruisers behind islands. Aternatively you can use them to hit the superstructure of BB for good damage. Do not use them on Cruisers in open water unless they are distracted ( thus by opportunity also ) : this simply does not work anymore as all Cruisers know what German AP rockets do, and "advanced" tactics of forcing enemies to turn to allied AP broadsides does not work anymore either.....as only a very slight angle already spoofs these rockets and all Cruiser players know that by now....The AP rockets also work very well against other CV when aimed at their waterline. ( many have Cruiser type hulls )

 

Use the torpedoes on Cruisers in open water. Their damage and speed  is more fitting to hit them then BB. As you say you can strike at DD of opportunity too, or use them for CV self defence.

 

Use the AP bombs on German and Japanese BB, release early/high ( releasing at the bottom of a dive works against chance on a citadel on BB )  Or as weapon of desperation on any BB.

 

German Cv are hard work to rack up damage, and they have less stopping power vs DD and BB as they are designed to be efficient fighting Cruisers but can rack up good damage/score and kill low HP targets fine.

 

Lots of elitists players do not want to play them as they kill full HP targets less easy ( carry matches all on their own ) but as a support type of ship ( lots are in game ) they are perfectly fine.

 

This is your playstyle in german Tech tree CV :  a bird of opportunity....not pure power

 

 

I agree though that their main attractive points : AP rockets ( much too rigid penetration angles + Cruiser players mass angling against it ) and AP bombs ( nerfed to hell ) took the shine off them not long after their festive relaease. WG does that often.

[arttuperkunas]

Having a manny on side is an omen of defeat, at least unless there’s an fdr on the red side. I dunno if it’s the ship, but most german cv players tend to ignore dds in favour of farming low impact ships on the flanks.

[159Hunter]

44 minutes ago, silence5 said:

This is exactly why I stay away from forums most of the time ... People taking sides instead of thinking. But m'kay. Stroke your ego. 

Complaining about others not thinking but not posting in correct topic?

 

[silence5]

7 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

Complaining about others not thinking but not posting in correct topic?

 

General discussion is the right topic tho ... if you mean I should open up a new post ... then I have bad news for you. 
Don't worry mods will remove this like anything else that has to do with CVs ... thats their policy ... ignore problems. 

[silence5]

35 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

Reserve the AP rockets  for when you see camping Cruisers behind islands. Fly around the island and citadel them. Every match has at least 1 or 2 camper Cruisers behind islands. Aternatively you can use them to hit the superstructure of BB for good damage. Do not use them on Cruisers in open water unless they are distracted ( thus by opportunity also ) : this simply does not work anymore as all Cruisers know what German AP rockets do, and "advanced" tactics of forcing enemies to turn to allied AP broadsides does not work anymore either.....as only a very slight angle already spoofs these rockets and all Cruiser players know that by now....The AP rockets also work very well against other CV when aimed at their waterline. ( many have Cruiser type hulls )

 

Use the torpedoes on Cruisers in open water. Their damage and speed  is more fitting to hit them then BB. As you say you can strike at DD of opportunity too, or use them for CV self defence.

  

Use the AP bombs on German and Japanese BB, release early/high ( releasing at the bottom of a dive works against chance on a citadel on BB )  Or as weapon of desperation on any BB.

 

German Cv are hard work to rack up damage, and they have less stopping power vs DD and BB as they are designed to be efficient fighting Cruisers but can rack up good damage/score and kill low HP targets fine.

 

Lots of elitists players do not want to play them as they kill full HP targets less easy ( carry matches all on their own ) but as a support type of ship ( lots are in game ) they are perfectly fine.

 

This is your playstyle in german Tech tree CV :  a bird of opportunity....not pure power

 

Thats what I already do ... I have to get really bad players to score higher then 100k damage games. I'm averaging around 70-80k. But waiting for opportunities like that simply doesn't go well in randoms where you have to carry or loose. 

[Beastofwar]

6 minutes ago, silence5 said:

Thats what I already do ... I have to get really bad players to score higher then 100k damage games. I'm averaging around 70-80k. But waiting for opportunities like that simply doesn't go well in randoms where you have to carry or loose. 

 

Well it is what it is ( has become ) and that is to be considered as a support ship now.

 

Support ships do not carry ( or something went terrible wrong )

 

The line is not comparible to US or IJN that are simply more flexible and efficient vs all targets. More recent released CV ( lines) do not come like that anymore.

[xe_N_on]

Vor 1 Stunde, MementoMori_6030 sagte:

Ceterum censeo CV esse delendam. 

 

Still, if I play DD and a squadron flying in my direction, I think: CV ante portas!

[tocqueville8]

Honestly, the amount of effort you have to make to do some decent damage in a post-nerf MvR (tried it a few games, left disgusted with the bomb dispersion) or an Audacious (and not just some pointless fire damage), compared to, say, a Venezia or a Shikishima, is pretty astounding.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 14 Minuten, xe_N_on sagte:

Still, if I play DD and a squadron flying in my direction, I think: CV ante portas!

Vae victis!

RNG iacta est.

[xe_N_on]

Vor 1 Minute, MementoMori_6030 sagte:

Vae victis!

RNG iacta est.

 

 Ave Matchmaker, morituri te salutant.

[Lexmechanic]

The bomb reticle nerf was heavy-handed and neutered the MvR quite a bit.

[Miragetank90]

The bombers were godly before - and maybe a little too good. The nerf addressed that, but what's left is dispersion that can be weird and annoying, I feel you. 

The ship itself is still great though and you can get great performance out of all squadrons, still. 

 

It remains one of my favourite CVs. 

Then again, I adore(Legendary) Audacious, so 

[Beastofwar]

7 minutes ago, Lexmechanic said:

The bomb reticle nerf was heavy-handed and neutered the MvR quite a bit.

 

I have yet to see a nerf that is not heavy handed when it comes to CV.........and CV suffered dozens of nerfs since CV rework. There is no class that is more nerfed.

 

Some nerfs partially reversed too though.....so i hope this recent rocket nerf will be softened too.

 

But yes these AP bomb nerfs regularly freak me out......out of 3 attacks only one RNG citadel hit is good for keeping spreadsheets in a certain bandwith, but not for game enjoyabiliy. There are trolls that will say "its you, noob" but these are not even playing these German CV.....which says enough.