Is WG pandering to DD players?

[JTJ22]

I'm well aware I'm going to do downvoted to hell by all the 'big brain game designer' DD players who inhabit the forums.

I feel like it has to be said, steadily over the last couple of years WG has clearly pandered to the needs of DD players, the so called 'highest skill' class in the game. 

They've been given a 'special damage system' (only overpens/10% damage), the very recent rocket change to CV's making it nearly impossible to be hit by CV's, commander rework being an overall buff to all DD's, torpedo reloads have lowered and torpedo travel times have creeped very high over the years, DD DPM has gotten insane even being able to melt BB's (while bb's can do nothing back cus secondaries are LOL)! I really wouldn't be shocked if there were more radar nerfs, durations lowered and ranges lowered as well! Mixing all this with great concealment and high mobility just makes them feel REALLY oppressive recently (the terms of engagement is in their hands and they control every fight).

 

This class is meant to be high risk, high reward. Just feels like WG have slowly been removing the risks and making them more rewarding to play unless you're actually brain dead! We need to stop pandering to the DD players constantly and balancing around the people who play them. 

[arttuperkunas]

One of those moments when the certainty of a forum warning holds one back from expressing one’s opinion.

[Camperdown]

If you feel this way: do play the uber class of DDs by all means 

[Lieut_Gruber]

So thats why DD top the average damage statistics all the time……..o wait……@ColonelPete ?

[JTJ22]

2 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

If you feel this way: do play the uber class of DDs by all means 

I have believe it or not! This is where my opinion comes from! :)

[arttuperkunas]

I would add that it’s not very productive to talk about “dds” as one thing. Mogador doesnt care much about visibility nerfs like  growing numbers of radar, hybrid cv spotting etc, but Ijn torp boats and cap contesters do.

[JTJ22]

2 minutes ago, Lieut_Gruber said:

So thats why DD top the average damage statistics all the time……..o wait……

This old argument, they top win rates all the time, they don't need to do massive damage their impact is map control and cap control.

[HystericalAccuracy]

1 hour ago, JTJ22 said:

big brain

hidden acc

 

you don´t play DDs

[Humorpalanta]

Aww yiss.  BBaby with private profil on the "easy" DDs.

[Beastofwar]

18 minutes ago, JTJ22 said:

I'm well aware I'm going to do downvoted to hell by all the 'big brain game designer' DD players who inhabit the forums.

I feel like it has to be said, steadily over the last couple of years WG has clearly pandered to the needs of DD players, the so called 'highest skill' class in the game. 

They've been given a 'special damage system' (only overpens/10% damage), the very recent rocket change to CV's making it nearly impossible to be hit by CV's, commander rework being an overall buff to all DD's, torpedo reloads have lowered and torpedo travel times have creeped very high over the years, DD DPM has gotten insane even being able to melt BB's (while bb's can do nothing back cus secondaries are LOL)! I really wouldn't be shocked if there were more radar nerfs, durations lowered and ranges lowered as well! Mixing all this with great concealment and high mobility just makes them feel REALLY oppressive recently (the terms of engagement is in their hands and they control every fight).

 

This class is meant to be high risk, high reward. Just feels like WG have slowly been removing the risks and making them more rewarding to play unless you're actually brain dead! We need to stop pandering to the DD players constantly and balancing around the people who play them. 

 

DD do require the highest skill in game. That is because they are the lowest HP ship in the food chain ( not much longer though )  and practically everything can kill them when they are (made) visible.  Besides that they have 4 major counter mechanisms working against them ( radar, hydro, RDF/RL, and planes - but soon Subs ) to prevent them becoming too powerful.

 

However any nerf that is felt to benefit DD is actually meant to make room in PvP for Submarines on the surface that are even more fragile and slower. WG balanced them to be on the surface 50 % of match time so all that nerfing does make sense then.

[JTJ22]

1 minute ago, VIadoCro said:

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you don´t play DDs

I have played them! Instead of trying to attack the person posting, actually discuss the topic

 

[Steel_duck_1]

1 minute ago, JTJ22 said:

This old argument, they top win rates all the time, they don't need to do massive damage their impact is map control and cap control.

In a game where mirrored MM makes the DD number even on both sides, DDs top the win rate? Math is strange

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 18 Minuten, JTJ22 sagte:

I'm well aware I'm going to do downvoted to hell by all the 'big brain game designer' DD players who inhabit the forums.

"Normal brain" DD players are sufficient to do so.

Zitat

I feel like it has to be said, steadily over the last couple of years

How many games did you play during those "couple of years", with which classes, with which results?

Zitat

WG has clearly pandered to the needs of DD players, the so called 'highest skill' class in the game. 

Lol no.

Zitat

They've been given a 'special damage system' (only overpens/10% damage),

Maybe this is... because DD have so low HP pools? Just a thought.

Zitat

the very recent rocket change to CV's making it nearly impossible to be hit by CV's,

Only by very bad CV players.

Zitat

commander rework being an overall buff to all DD's,

Care to specify how? Maybe I am skilling my commanders wrong.

Zitat

torpedo reloads have lowered and torpedo travel times have creeped very high over the years,

Ah. And still, most guns reload considerably faster than tubes.

Zitat

DD DPM has gotten insane

Strange, my IJN torp DD (gun) DPM feels quite feeble.

Zitat

even being able to melt BB's (while bb's can do nothing back cus secondaries are LOL)!

You know that you can blow DD out of the water with your MAIN guns, don't you?

Zitat

I really wouldn't be shocked if there were more radar nerfs, durations lowered and ranges lowered as well! Mixing all this with great concealment and high mobility just makes them feel REALLY oppressive recently (the terms of engagement is in their hands and they control every fight).

Somehow I have the feeling you aren't a DD player.

Vor 18 Minuten, JTJ22 sagte:

This class is meant to be high risk, high reward. 

Says who?

Zitat

Just feels like WG have slowly been removing the risks and making them more rewarding to play unless you're actually brain dead! We need to stop pandering to the DD players constantly and balancing around the people who play them. 

Ok, stop pandering to the DD players and git gud.

[Hugh_Ruka]

Lol really ? Smoke firing changes ? Flooding nerf ? Fire Prevention skill ? Almost every new cruiser has radar and/or hydro ?

 

Oh btw DDs have the shortest weapon ranges in the game ... and least penetration of all main guns (except things that use DD guns like Smolensk or Atlanta, but that actually proves the point).

 

Or you were not around when those changes happened ?

[Lieut_Gruber]

6 minutes ago, JTJ22 said:

This old argument, they top win rates all the time, they don't need to do massive damage their impact is map control and cap control.

I am afraid the winrate part is mostly that new players often jump the BB lines, so more noobs in them killing the WR.

[HystericalAccuracy]

1 hour ago, JTJ22 said:

Instead of trying to attack the person posting, actually discuss the topic

 

1 hour ago, JTJ22 said:

'big brain

uh, ok.

 

But on topic: yes DDs are the most demanding class. Do you bother to de-activate AA and re-activate it in the right moment while playing anything else than a DD? While being on the verge of being visually spotted by surface-ships. While constantly monitoring position and distance of the radar ships. To do so you ofc have to remember the parameters of every single radar-ship you could come across. Do you bother remembering which ships even have radar if you are in anything else than a DD?

 

And when you make it into the cap and rest behind that little island you are spotted by the hydro of the German DD on the other side of the island WAAAAH

 

And then remeber that DDs earn the least amount of XP for taking zones. Every other class gets more XP for doing the same thing.

[Bear__Necessities]

37 minutes ago, JTJ22 said:

I'm well aware I'm going to do downvoted to hell by all the 'big brain game designer' DD players who inhabit the forums.

I feel like it has to be said, steadily over the last couple of years WG has clearly pandered to the needs of DD players, the so called 'highest skill' class in the game. 

They've been given a 'special damage system' (only overpens/10% damage), the very recent rocket change to CV's making it nearly impossible to be hit by CV's, commander rework being an overall buff to all DD's, torpedo reloads have lowered and torpedo travel times have creeped very high over the years, DD DPM has gotten insane even being able to melt BB's (while bb's can do nothing back cus secondaries are LOL)! I really wouldn't be shocked if there were more radar nerfs, durations lowered and ranges lowered as well! Mixing all this with great concealment and high mobility just makes them feel REALLY oppressive recently (the terms of engagement is in their hands and they control every fight).

 

This class is meant to be high risk, high reward. Just feels like WG have slowly been removing the risks and making them more rewarding to play unless you're actually brain dead! We need to stop pandering to the DD players constantly and balancing around the people who play them. 

So I take it, it's so easy to play them your smashing out Unicums numbers left and right. Right? 

 

(Pressing X for doubt)

[159Hunter]

29 minutes ago, JTJ22 said:

This old argument, they top win rates all the time, they don't need to do massive damage their impact is map control and cap control.

@ColonelPete do your numbers support this?

33 minutes ago, Lieut_Gruber said:

So thats why DD top the average damage statistics all the time……..o wait……@ColonelPete ?

Failed linking, so I helped you 

[Nibenay78]

35 minutes ago, JTJ22 said:

I have played them! Instead of trying to attack the person posting, actually discuss the topic

I don't see a reason to trust people with hidden accounts making claims about this and that. Which tiers and DDs in particular are you talking about?

 

I'm clearly not a DD player but I'd say they get a lot of crap thrown after them if they bother to engage :D

 

 

Dang, I thought I was a BBaby - or used to be...

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

I'm sorry, I tried. I tried to see merit in the OP's post. I thought about countering some points one by one. I thought about linking @Beastofwar 's opinion about coming submarines being the driving force behind changes.

 

All for nought. I can't. There is only one possible answer and I DEMAND that someone post it:

 

BBaby Bingo.

[Tanaka_15]

55 minutes ago, JTJ22 said:

I'm well aware I'm going to do downvoted to hell by all the 'big brain game designer' DD players who inhabit the forums.

I feel like it has to be said, steadily over the last couple of years WG has clearly pandered to the needs of DD players, the so called 'highest skill' class in the game. 

They've been given a 'special damage system' (only overpens/10% damage), the very recent rocket change to CV's making it nearly impossible to be hit by CV's, commander rework being an overall buff to all DD's, torpedo reloads have lowered and torpedo travel times have creeped very high over the years, DD DPM has gotten insane even being able to melt BB's (while bb's can do nothing back cus secondaries are LOL)! I really wouldn't be shocked if there were more radar nerfs, durations lowered and ranges lowered as well! Mixing all this with great concealment and high mobility just makes them feel REALLY oppressive recently (the terms of engagement is in their hands and they control every fight).

 

This class is meant to be high risk, high reward. Just feels like WG have slowly been removing the risks and making them more rewarding to play unless you're actually brain dead! We need to stop pandering to the DD players constantly and balancing around the people who play them. 

Funny that 5-6 bbs in each game was not bodering you that much... 

[T0byJug]

3 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

@ColonelPete do your numbers support this?

Failed linking, so I helped you 

Last 2 months 

source

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20210619/eu_2month/average_class.html

Player Average for Shipclasses [ at 2021/06/19 ] Svr.eu

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	agro damage	spot damage	hit ratio
1	BB	Higher Tier	45043	5380309	119.45	50.43	0.02	49.55	1570	67198	0.72	2.93	3.21	4.48	36.65	1.14	1262215	17119	28.64
1	CA	Higher Tier	33126	3722927	112.39	50.51	0.02	49.46	1578	54417	0.65	2.93	5.81	7.24	33.50	0.98	885151	17009	32.29
1	CV	Higher Tier	3428	325034	94.82	51.54	0.03	48.43	1709	69577	0.90	4.29	0.54	11.66	72.51	3.27	243467	59463	0.00
1	DD	Higher Tier	28729	3531877	122.94	50.45	0.02	49.53	1595	38671	0.70	2.04	28.85	6.84	30.51	1.01	484798	32159	42.06
2	BB	Lower Tier	13757	1217499	88.50	49.91	0.08	50.01	1063	39008	0.79	2.28	3.63	6.48	38.34	1.28	737249	8938	25.25
2	CA	Lower Tier	12357	1148071	92.91	50.16	0.25	49.59	954	24006	0.77	1.40	4.64	8.05	24.86	1.02	426727	7121	32.49
2	CV	Lower Tier	2331	192455	82.56	50.85	0.09	49.06	1055	34340	0.71	3.22	0.92	12.95	64.44	2.00	156836	24356	0.00
2	DD	Lower Tier	9157	832390	90.90	49.99	0.37	49.64	962	21875	0.78	0.69	16.98	5.05	23.75	1.02	303229	12494	42.99

 

 

Funly enough XP and winrates of DD/BB are almost identical..   

 

@JTJ22 DD is easy mode.... strange why is  BBs played so much more by so many more players if DD is easy mode..

[WWDragon]

18 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

Do you bother remembering which ships even have radar if you are in anything else than a DD?

Considering the longest ranged radar is 12km with cruisers having concealment ranges of around 11km ... only cruisers with smoke with low gun bloom should have concerns about radar and then there are variables, radar doesnt have a constant uptime so only "well done" players activate radar (or hydro) for no reason, others will activate if there is the sure tell of seeing smoke, see cap being captured or are suspicious of a area.

 

DDs only need to worry about radar is they do anything that makes a cruiser respond by radar the location, otherwise its just a  limited time "assured detection" zone to be avoided, it exists to prevent DDs to just park in cover and be completely undetected, few cruisers are affected by it since they need to have smoke and being able to spot as well have low gun bloom, that very much limits the number of cruisers that should care about radar to just about the 2 Belfast.

 

 

[MrWastee]

1 hour ago, JTJ22 said:

[pfffff]

This class is meant to be high risk, high reward. Just feels like WG have slowly been removing the risks and making them more rewarding to play unless you're actually brain dead! We need to stop pandering to the DD players constantly and balancing around the people who play them. 

.....

 

let's see:

- removal of real stealth firing

- introduction of smoke firing penalty

- introduction of radars

- cv rework, introducing rockets

- moar radars, longer radars, farer radars

- introduction of torp-spot-module

- we need loooots of hydro on dd's!!!!1!!111!!!

- lots of shifts and splits towards gunboatstyle within dd's itselves, more dd's without smoke

 

- >add own<

 

so. yeah. nope. lol.lmao.rofl. lulz. fart. burp.

 

 

btw lol

1 hour ago, JTJ22 said:

I'm well aware I'm going to do downvoted to hell by all the 'big brain game designer' DD players who inhabit the forums.

[bzzzzzzzzzzz]

Battleship  8 941

Destroyer   4 870

Cruiser  5 232

Aircraft Carrier  871

 

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

anyways. i leave a pic of me voting u down, as requested

[geschlittert]

1 minute ago, WWDragon said:

Considering the longest ranged radar is 12km with cruisers having concealment ranges of around 11km

There is no cruiser in the game with a 12km radar and 11km concealment besides the chapayev