How many DD players still shoot HE at this DD line midsection ?

[Beastofwar]

I just wonder how many "classic'' style DD players still shoot ( non German, non IFHE ) HE shells at the new German DD's mid section ?

 

It is not impossibe to damage them with HE as the whole nose and stern so up to 1/2 of the ship is made of 16 mm plating......but players like me liked to aim at the boilers to slow or stop the enemy DD.....and that is going to fail shattering on 25 mm plating for most "classic" ( non German, non IFHE ) DD fring HE ofcourse.

 

Obvioulsy this post is meant for more "average" DD players like myself. I havent seen much of these new German DD.....but im sure i would have wondered why my HE does nothing when i try to take out their engine room.....

 

 

[ColonelPete]

Why would you wonder? They were announced this way.

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

Wow, thanks mate. Never even noticed these go into the armoured DDs, so ill check out the armour schemes next time.

Thought they were standard 19mm tbh.

But then HE is still kinda viable to use for many DDs, long as you dont shoot midsection. 

 

7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Why would you wonder? They were announced this way.

Well, i kinda missed this part, since the armour layout is stated less obvious in announcements than before, or at least it certainly didnt get my attention

[Beastofwar]

10 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Why would you wonder? They were announced this way.

 

Well i only noticed in a WG anouncement video of that DD tech tree line right before this patch went live......not every player in the game saw it, i am certain.

[invicta2012]

6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Why would you wonder? They were announced this way.

Because people don't always take notice of every detail in the patch notes. 

 

22 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

.but im sure i would have wondered why my HE does nothing when i try to take out their engine room.....

 

It's that sort of quick action you might not get time to process, tbh. Other large DDs (like the French) rely on more cunning means for their defence, it's quite unusual to find a DD with (limited, but effective) armour. 

[Beastofwar]

Yeah up to now there was only 1 DD in the whole game i knew to NOT have 19 mm at the higher tiers.

 

Now i have to remember what names the new German Tech tree have and what are old German tech tree names are...... Z this Z that...quite confusing.

 

Unless you play a ( old style ) German DD yourself.....then you can just shoot HE at them indifferent.

[Nibenay78]

Still in a close up fight, the HE shells go all over the ship, kinda works wonders 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

I wonder if in a knife fight with another DD if it would be better to take out the engine with AP or guns/torp turrets with HE? Hmmm...

[Beastofwar]

12 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

I wonder if in a knife fight with another DD if it would be better to take out the engine with AP or guns/torp turrets with HE? Hmmm...

 

I always end up killing enemies that are stupid enough to switch to torpedoes. It is literally as stupid as holstering your gun and drawing a knife in a standoff range gunfight to run at the enemy.

 

And no...i assume they did launch before blowing up. Very rarely hit by that, and i'm not even the most talented DD player by far.....go figure

 

But such a ship with me unknowing about it's special midsection armour would have unbalanced me by not understanding why my shells do no damage. And probabaly killed me.

[Nibenay78]

6 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

I wonder if in a knife fight with another DD if it would be better to take out the engine with AP or guns/torp turrets with HE? Hmmm...

By the time people have switched back and forth, lots of hitpoints are gone and modules disabled. And the torpedoes should be expected so they are generally easy to avoid.

[Srle_Vigilante]

10 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

I wonder if in a knife fight with another DD if it would be better to take out the engine with AP or guns/torp turrets with HE? Hmmm...

Wonder no more because i'm here to tell you that even if you splash them with a 90mm Italian secondary the engine gets knocked out. And this is by no means an exaggeration.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

4 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

i'm not even the most talented DD player by far

Without stats even that might be bragging...

5 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

I always end up killing enemies that are stupid enough to switch to torpedoes

...and this definately is a hyperbole, which would tons of video evidence to be made true.

An Okhotnik with it's slow turret truning rate is well advised to use it's torpedo launchers in a knife fight with another DD. And quite often (!) I've been quite successful with that tactic against opposing DDs.

But probably I'm doing it all wrong

[Deckeru_Maiku]

7 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

By the time people have switched back and forth, lots of hitpoints are gone and modules disabled. And the torpedoes should be expected so they are generally easy to avoid.

Switching back and forth between what? AP and HE? HE and Torps?? Considering the time that some DD guns need take to reload, switching to torps can be easily done... and depending on the DD it can be quite effective, as even when "expected" some shot-gun style launched torps can f*ck up the opponents maneuvring.

Might not work against Unicorns, but of these I rarely see any in my battles

[Nibenay78]

9 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Switching back and forth between what? AP and HE? HE and Torps?? Considering the time that some DD guns need take to reload, switching to torps can be easily done... and depending on the DD it can be quite effective, as even when "expected" some shot-gun style launched torps can f*ck up the opponents maneuvring.

Might not work against Unicorns, but of these I rarely see any in my battles

Guns and Torps. The switch tosses your aim about, the tubes makes some kinda weird swing sometimes. Then you have to go back and aim It's REALLY obvious to me when people launch torps, they clearly can't do it in between salvos, unless you're in a shimakaze.

 

I agree that IF you have possibility/speed/skill/ appropriate DD, people often stress out and either turn to avoid torps so they can't fire as effectively OR they ram a torp. Good stuff. But overall this is reserved for rather slow firing ships.

 

Switching between AP and HE is just a simple click on 1 or 2... it makes no difference.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

9 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

I agree that IF you have possibility/speed/skill/ appropriate DD, people often stress out and either turn to avoid torps so they can't fire as effectively OR they ram a torp. Good stuff. But overall this is reserved for rather slow firing ships.

Wouldn't try that with an US DD, but with others - and especially in the Tiers I usually play (T4 to T7 or so) it seems to me as a working tactic... or at least I have the personal impressions of it working (with several DDs) with my ~6100 DD battles

[johncl]

Yes i just daka daka everything i see !!!

 

 

But i sold my Z31  ..Hate the thing with a passion 

 

I got the thing for free ... & Had the T8 perma cammo .....But asked myself why am i playing a ship i hate ,,,And do i want a T8 version 

 

The answer was NO  

[Nibenay78]

3 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Wouldn't try that with an US DD, but with others - and especially in the Tiers I usually play (T4 to T7 or so) it seems to me as a working tactic... or at least I have the personal impressions of it working (with several DDs) with my ~6100 DD battles

You're probably right. I tend to play and lately prefer more gunboats like Daring, Småland, Gearing.. in general tier 10 DDs fire quite rapidly, and I tend to build them as such too. The torps aren't worth it if it's a close fight. If you're going to die, just empty all the tibes.

[Saltface]

I don't launch torps in DD knife fights.

I do the following (when possible)

 

The bracket launch

Just before you engage the red DD and while still concealed launch your torps. first set of tubes as if you expect the red ship to turn out and the second set of tubes as if you expect the red ship to turn in. If you have a third set of torps don't use it. You can launch it as you kite and try to disengage (so you stop shooting) on the probable path if you think they might try to follow you.

Break concealment and engage. Try to get the first salvo where the funnels are.

Don't overdo it, no need to lose a lot of HP (unless you have a sure kill).

Disengage.

 

some notes:

If red DD is not full health they might try to disengage at once, means that they will turn out hard, if full health they might try to turn out and still take the engagement but will try to kite while bearing all their guns on you. Use your gut feeling for your torp spreads.

If red DD player is above average most probably they will take the fight and juke their throttle. You might want to launch everything in a good spread as if they will turn out .

Don't do this if they have obstacles not allowing them to turn out.

If there is a place where they can go and hide and break line of site, most probably that's where they are going to go. Launch a good spread to cover that course.

 

Does this work? Check the spoiler.

@Beastofwar this is why you need to show your stats. People need to know if you can back up with your performance what you say.

 

Spoiler

Dev Strikes out of 1889 ships sunk with torpedoes in 3,132 DD games - More than 1 out of two torp kills is a dev strike.

[Bear__Necessities]

2 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

By the time people have switched back and forth, lots of hitpoints are gone and modules disabled. And the torpedoes should be expected so they are generally easy to avoid.

Depends solely on the individual engagement. I have a replay maybe where in my Yugumo I'm forced into a 1 v 1 with a Kitakaze. I know I cannot win that 1 v 1 so I launch torps knowing I will probably die. It eats them. I win. If I never sent them, not only do I die, it also lives. 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

2 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

You're probably right. I tend to play and lately prefer more gunboats like Daring, Småland, Gearing.. in general tier 10 DDs fire quite rapidly, and I tend to build them as such too. The torps aren't worth it if it's a close fight. If you're going to die, just empty all the tibes.

next time You play your Okhotnik you might be able to give it a try

[Pikkozoikum]

4 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

I just wonder how many "classic'' style DD players still shoot ( non German, non IFHE ) HE shells at the new German DD's mid section ?

 

It is not impossibe to damage them with HE as the whole nose and stern so up to 1/2 of the ship is made of 16 mm plating......but players like me liked to aim at the boilers to slow or stop the enemy DD.....and that is going to fail shattering on 25 mm plating for most "classic" ( non German, non IFHE ) DD fring HE ofcourse.

 

Obvioulsy this post is meant for more "average" DD players like myself. I havent seen much of these new German DD.....but im sure i would have wondered why my HE does nothing when i try to take out their engine room.....

 

 

No experience yet, but I would probably keep shooting HE, because I play japanese ships. They have 100mm with 30mm pen or they have the 127mm with buffed HE damage.

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

Why do you do no damage on the 25mm strip, OP?

[totally_potato]

7 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

I just wonder how many "classic'' style DD players still shoot ( non German, non IFHE ) HE shells at the new German DD's mid section ?

 

It is not impossibe to damage them with HE as the whole nose and stern so up to 1/2 of the ship is made of 16 mm plating......but players like me liked to aim at the boilers to slow or stop the enemy DD.....and that is going to fail shattering on 25 mm plating for most "classic" ( non German, non IFHE ) DD fring HE ofcourse.

 

Obvioulsy this post is meant for more "average" DD players like myself. I havent seen much of these new German DD.....but im sure i would have wondered why my HE does nothing when i try to take out their engine room.....

 

 

Many do

Especially the ones who don't usually talk in forums or check devblogs

and if they fire AP, you just angle in and juke it, and by that time, you kinda beat that DD in a gunfight (The elbing that is, with both HE and AP, coz accuracy is still there, while the AP dmg is so high that even with 5-6 AP overpens, you still get about 2k dmg, and they try to angle, you pen the DD, and deal massive damage. The HE still does high dmg salvos thanks to accuracy.)

 

[xe_N_on]

Vor 7 Stunden, Beastofwar sagte:

I just wonder how many "classic'' style DD players still shoot ( non German, non IFHE ) HE shells at the new German DD's mid section ?

 

It is not impossibe to damage them with HE as the whole nose and stern so up to 1/2 of the ship is made of 16 mm plating......but players like me liked to aim at the boilers to slow or stop the enemy DD.....and that is going to fail shattering on 25 mm plating for most "classic" ( non German, non IFHE ) DD fring HE ofcourse.

 

Obvioulsy this post is meant for more "average" DD players like myself. I havent seen much of these new German DD.....but im sure i would have wondered why my HE does nothing when i try to take out their engine room.....

 

 

 

You should switch simply to AP when ever possible, anyway. AP has even higher DPS then HE. So IMHO against cometent players, 25 mm plating is a big disadvantage.

[Panocek]

7 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

Yeah up to now there was only 1 DD in the whole game i knew to NOT have 19 mm at the higher tiers.

Which is saying something, as until lidlkreuzers there were TWO T10 destroyers with more than 19mm midsection