Italian destroyers

[capt_and]

Italy is the only great naval power that currently lacks a destroyer line in the game. Here is a suggestion for a possible italian destroyer line.

-Tier II: Augusto Riboty (Mirabello-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Riboty_(esploratore)

-Tier III: Francesco Crispi (Sella-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Crispi_(cacciatorpediniere)

Tier IV: Pantera (Leone-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantera_(cacciatorpediniere)

-Tier V: Cesare Battisti (Sauro-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Battisti_(cacciatorpediniere)

-Tier VI: Freccia (Freccia-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freccia_(cacciatorpediniere_1931)

-Tier VI: Alvise da Mosto (Navigatori-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvise_da_Mosto_(cacciatorpediniere)

-Tier VII: Grecale (Maestrale-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grecale_(cacciatorpediniere)

-Tier VIII: Carabiniere (Soldati-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carabiniere_(cacciatorpediniere_1938)

-Tier IX: Comandante Margottini (Medaglie d'oro-class) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comandanti_Medaglie_d'Oro-class_destroyer

-Tier X: Attilio Regolo (Capitani Romani-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attilio_Regolo_(incrociatore)

-Premium Tier VIII: Alvise da Mosto (Navigatori-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvise_da_Mosto_(cacciatorpediniere)

(Unfortunately wikipedia is the only thing I could find, and it's in italian, so you have to translate)

The ships have good speed and excellent maneuverability, their main armament consists mainly in 120mm guns (102mm for Augusto Riboty and 135mm for Attilio Regolo) that can fire HE and SAP shells, they have an average range, but a long reload time and not particularly high damage values. The main role of these destroyers is that of delivering torpedoes like the famous italian MAS (motor torpedo boats). These destroyer posses slow long range torpedoes, with a decently quick reload time and good damage values, this thing combined with a good set of consumables comprising Exhaust Smoke Generator and Engine Boost makes them the perfect ship for an aggressive and well planned play style. Starting from tier VI italian destroyers will be equipped with a new consumable called "Spotting Flare", which acts like a short duration quick reload "nerfed" Hydroacoustic Search, each ship has an infinite number of charges. This consumable is based on the 120mm spotting flare launcher that was installed on all italian destroyers built during the 1930s.

Consumables: 

-Damage Control Party

-Exhaust Smoke Generator

-Engine Boost

-Spotting Flare (from tier VI)

-Repair Party (Tier X)

PROS:

-Low detectability

-Excellent maneuverability

-Good torpedoes

-Good consumables

CONS:
-Low number of guns

-Low number of torpedoes

-Slow firing guns

-Bad AA (Almost non existent)

[MementoMori_6030]

No planes? Ask again in 2023, comrade.

[capt_and]

2 minuti fa, MementoMori_6030 ha scritto:

No planes? Ask again in 2023, comrade.

Maybe we can add the italian airstrike, high altitude bombers with 4x630Kg bombs each, around 10 planes x squadron, with 10 seconds cooldown since it doesn't take long for them to get there from italy.

[tocqueville8]

Just now, capt_and said:

The main role of these destroyers is that of delivering torpedoes like the famous italian MAS (motor torpedo boats), these destroyer posses slow long range torpedoes,

I don't get it.

 

I'm okay with a line that has slow (and stealthy) long-range torps, basically like Italian cruisers, but what does that have to do with the MAS?

The Motonavi Armate Siluranti had a couple of short-range torps, so they were used more for directly rushing big targets, much like you would in this game with a Paolo Emilio or a Derzki.

What you're proposing, if I understand correctly, is spammable long-range torps for area denial, which remind me of low-tier French DDs (7-8 km torps at T2-5).

That's kind of the opposite approach compared to the MAS.

[capt_and]

16 minuti fa, tocqueville8 ha scritto:

What you're proposing, if I understand correctly, is spammable long-range torps for area denial,

Yes, is also right, but since you have exhaust smoke generator, low detectebility and good speed it's easier to yolo ships, essentially the main tactic of MAS and of Paolo Emilio in the game, then if you want to play more safely, you can absolutely long-range spam torpedoes. (Probably it's not written too much correctly)

[Verblonde]

42 minutes ago, capt_and said:

Bad AA (Almost non existent)

Whilst I'll never say no to new DDs (despite having my faith shaken a bit by the recent KM additions), I think this aspect would make Italians a potential hard sell: given the current hard-on enthusiasm WG have for planes, anything that can't keep them at arms-length - at least a bit - is going to struggle.

 

At least the top tiers could be given some sort of (spurious?) post-war AA refit perhaps?

 

That said, Italian DDs - being real and everything - should have been much higher up the priority list than bleedin' fictitious Russian CVs...! Bonus points for several of them being rather pretty too.

[Bear__Necessities]

You'll get a 2nd line of more paper Russian ships before a line of ships from an actual navy. 

[159Hunter]

6 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

You'll get a 2nd line of more paper Russian ships before a line of ships from an actual navy. 

Go to Gulag you

[capt_and]

24 minuti fa, Verblonde ha scritto:

At least the top tiers could be given some sort of (spurious?) post-war AA refit perhaps?

The fact is that when they have been refitted, they also received radar, more torpedoes and new quick firing guns, which is a bit missleading from the concept of the line.

[tocqueville8]

 

Just now, Verblonde said:

Whilst I'll never say no to new DDs (despite having my faith shaken a bit by the recent KM additions), I think this aspect would make Italians a potential hard sell: given the current hard-on enthusiasm WG have for planes, anything that can't keep them at arms-length - at least a bit - is going to struggle.

 

I'd say it depends on those smokescreens: the Emilio can use them to evade planes...once, then the cooldown is a bit punishing.

Maybe if Emilio and Daring had a baby...

[Verblonde]

14 minutes ago, capt_and said:

The fact is that when they have been refitted, they also received radar, more torpedoes and new quick firing guns, which is a bit missleading from the concept of the line.

I wouldn't worry about that too much: playability is far more important. As they stand, they'll get dumped on from a great height by planes (from many and various sources, it seems; a T8, for example, could easily face a T10 CV, plus one or more T8-T9 hybrids all at once) - it's unrealistic to expect much enthusiasm for anything that lacks the tools to at least somewhat deal with aircraft, at least at the higher tiers.

 

It certainly wouldn't be the first tree to change character as you progress up through the tiers, if T8+ (say) were given the means to defend themselves.

[tocqueville8]

Just now, capt_and said:

-Low detectability

I'm sorry, does that mean "bad concealment" or "good concealment"?

[capt_and]

good concealement

[totally_potato]

1 hour ago, capt_and said:

Italy is the only great naval power that currently lacks a destroyer line in the game. Here is a suggestion for a possible italian destroyer line.

-Tier II: Augusto Riboty (Mirabello-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Riboty_(esploratore)

-Tier III: Francesco Crispi (Sella-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Crispi_(cacciatorpediniere)

Tier IV: Pantera (Leone-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantera_(cacciatorpediniere)

-Tier V: Cesare Battisti (Sauro-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Battisti_(cacciatorpediniere)

-Tier VI: Alvise da Mosto (Navigatori-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvise_da_Mosto_(cacciatorpediniere)

-Tier VII: Freccia (Freccia-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freccia_(cacciatorpediniere_1931)

-Tier VIII: Grecale (Maestrale-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grecale_(cacciatorpediniere)

-Tier IX: Carabiniere (Soldati-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carabiniere_(cacciatorpediniere_1938)

-Tier X: Attilio Regolo (Capitani Romani-class) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attilio_Regolo_(incrociatore)

(Unfortunately wikipedia is the only thing I could find, and it's in italian, so you have to translate)

The ships have good speed and excellent maneuverability, their main armament consists mainly in 120mm guns (102mm for Augusto Riboty and 135mm for Attilio Regolo) that can fire HE and SAP shells, they have an average range, but a long reload time and not particularly high damage values. The main role of these destroyers is that of delivering torpedoes like the famous italian MAS (motor torpedo boats). These destroyer posses slow long range torpedoes, with a decently quick reload time and good damage values, this thing combined with a good set of consumables comprising Exhaust Smoke Generator and Engine Boost makes them the perfect ship for an aggressive and well planned play style. Starting from tier VI italian destroyers will be equipped with a new consumable called "Spotting Flare", which acts like a short duration quick reload "nerfed" Hydroacoustic Search, each ship has an infinite number of charges. This consumable is based on the 120mm spotting flare launcher that was installed on all italian destroyers built during the 1930s.

Consumables: 

-Damage Control Party

-Exhaust Smoke Generator

-Engine Boost

-Spotting Flare (from tier VI)

-Repair Party (Tier X)

PROS:

-Low detectability

-Excellent maneuverability

-Good torpedoes

-Good consumables

-Good guns in terms of individual alpha strike, and the T8 has a good number of guns, and the T9 and T10 get the new 135mm guns

CONS:
-Low number of guns

-Low number of torpedoes

-Slow firing guns

-Bad AA (Almost non existent)

A few suggestions

Let the T6 Alvise da Mosto (Navigatori class) be a Tier 8

Let the T7 Freccia (Freccia-class) be a Tier 6

Let the T8 Grecale (Maestrale-class) be a Tier 7

 

I feel like, due to the gunpower, the Navigatori should be a tier 8 compared to the tier 7 and the actual Tier 8. The torps don't seem to be that different. 

 

Also the T9 Soldati can be a T8 premium with some other gimmicks

I propose this as the Tier 9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comandanti_Medaglie_d'Oro-class_destroyer

 

I feel like the sudden jump in caliber makes no sense from a line perspective doesn't make sense, especially if you are so far into the tech tree.

So this Comandanti Medaglie d'Oro-class destroyer would make the jump a bit more sensible. In this case, I suggest for a fairly low reload. 5 or 4 second reload.

 

History time:-

The Comandanti Medaglie d'Oro class were a group of 20 destroyers ordered for the Regia Marina (Royal Italian Navy) during World War II. Nine had been laid down by the time of the Italian armistice in September 1943 and all but one of those ships which had not yet been laid down were cancelled. Of those that had been laid down, none had been launched by that time and all were subsequently scrapped. Successor to the Soldati class.

 

Nice line :)

[capt_and]

@totally_potatoWhat about: 

Freccia Tier 6

Grecale Tier 7

Carabiniere (Soldati) Tier 8

Comandante Margottini (Medaglie d'oro) Tier 9

Alvise da Mosto Premium Tier 7

?

 

[totally_potato]

3 minutes ago, capt_and said:

@totally_potatoWhat about: 

Freccia Tier 6

Grecale Tier 7

Carabiniere (Soldati) Tier 8

Comandante Margottini (Medaglie d'oro) Tier 9

Alvise da Mosto Premium Tier 7

?

 

Yeah that could work too. 

Navigatori could have its own gimmicks to make it special at T8.

And since Soldati preceded the D'Oro design, that could actually be nice.

[Hundigo]

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

Whilst I'll never say no to new DDs (despite having my faith shaken a bit by the recent KM additions), I think this aspect would make Italians a potential hard sell: given the current hard-on enthusiasm WG have for planes, anything that can't keep them at arms-length - at least a bit - is going to struggle.

 

At least the top tiers could be given some sort of (spurious?) post-war AA refit perhaps?

 

That said, Italian DDs - being real and everything - should have been much higher up the priority list than bleedin' fictitious Russian CVs...! Bonus points for several of them being rather pretty too.

Italians have Amaretto as national drink, Vodka is for the russians. Vodka is cheaper then Amaretto, so Vodka comes first on the list 

[_Lupastro_]

1 ora fa, Hundigo ha scritto:

Italians have Amaretto as national drink, Vodka is for the russians. Vodka is cheaper then Amaretto, so Vodka comes first on the list 

I have to correct you. Amaretto is ONE of hundreds national spirits and not one of the best..

 

3 ore fa, capt_and ha scritto:

Maybe we can add the italian airstrike, high altitude bombers with 4x630Kg bombs each, around 10 planes x squadron, with 10 seconds cooldown since it doesn't take long for them to get there from italy.

This could be a good idea.. During WW2 our (moron) Duce said.. "We don't need those expensive carriers... Our land is the biggest carrier in Mediterranean and our air Force can do the same duty..."

Just some lack of air and sea war know how I guess...

[Deckeru_Maiku]

23 minutes ago, _Lupastro_ said:

I have to correct you. Amaretto is ONE of hundreds national spirits and not one of the best..

 

Filo Ferro Sardo - 'nuff said

 

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And on topic: We already got the Leone... is there any need for more italian DDs?

[guy_incognito79]

Nice idea but I'm afraid a DD line with piss poor AA (even by DD standards) wouldn't generate much interest in the current pro plane game of today, which is a real shame as the Italians should really have a DD line.

[Miragetank90]

Now I feel thirsty - and it's not for new DDs. 

[invicta2012]

4 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

You'll get a 2nd line of more paper Russian ships before a line of ships from an actual navy. 

The Russian CVS are as papery as the German ones, tbh. A few old cruise liners, a few leftover cruiser hulls, and none ever operational. 

 

3 hours ago, Verblonde said:

As they stand, they'll get dumped on from a great height by planes (from many and various sources, it seems; a T8, for example, could easily face a T10 CV, plus one or more T8-T9 hybrids all at once) - it's unrealistic to expect much enthusiasm for anything that lacks the tools to at least somewhat deal with aircraft, at least at the higher tiers.

That's OK, if they have speed and smoke.

 

I think I would like an Italian DD line to be speedy torpedo boats at the start (if you've played the Pan EU Romulus, which is an Italian Spica Class, you'll know the deal).

Soviet style hybrids at Tier V, VII and VII (you can see the Italian influence in Soviet ships like Ognevoi, and she was a Tier VI to begin with).

Tier VIII - X become quite German/French, with large calibre DP main guns and access to the Fuel Smoke/Speed boost gimmick of the Yolo Emilio.

 

Torps would be long range, low damage, fast reload (as in the cruisers) with options for hard hitting, slower reload types as the line progresses. Guns are few and quite slow firing but have good firing angles and  Z-31 style accuracy buffs. The ships veer between larger Cruiser style ships and RN nimble speedsters. 

 

Something like:

 

Tier II - Guiseppe La Masa

A modern destroyer for Tier II, betraying a strong British design influence. 30 knots, 4 x 4 inch guns, 2 x 2 torps on a 45 second reload. Fans of Vampire and Medea will enjoy this one.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_la_masa.htm

 

Tier III  - Falco (Aquila Class)

The Italians were playing with the idea of Scout Cruisers (Esploratori) at this time, and this is quite a big ship for Tier III. 

She has the signature 2 x 2 Italian gun armament (again, they're 4 inch guns here), 2 x 2 torp tubes, good speed (34 knots) and a generous HP pool, displacing 1500 tons. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_aquila.htm

 

Tier IV - Sella

Jumping into the 1920s now, this is a 35 knot Italian DD with 1 x 2 and 1 x 1 120mm/5 inch guns (the latter having 360 degree arcs). Similar in size to an RN V and W Class, she's faster (35 knots) and has Genova torps - good range (8k), low speed (51 knots), moderate damage (8k) and fast reload - still 45 seconds.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_sella.htm

 

Tier V - Turbine

About 1200 tons, 36 knots, 2 x 2 120mm guns (both 360) , 2 x 3 torp tubes. Small, fast, stealthy, but the guns are not great and those torpedoes are a bit slow, and give dodging opportunities.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_turbine.htm

 

Tier VI:  Freccia

About 1400 tons, 38 knots, 2 x 2 120mm guns, 2 x 3 torp tubes. Any pattern developing here? Gun armament remains 1920s vintage with poor shell arcs and moderate travel time, but salvo dispersion is quite tight. Torpedoes receive a range boost and retain their fast reload times. Speed boost and a choice of fuel smoke or fast/short RN style smoke.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_freccia.htm

 

Tier VI Premium: Leone

I like the Sergio. Who cares if no-one else does?

 

Tier VII: Oriani

Another step up - 1600 tons, 38 knots, armament remains the same in number/distribution but we have 1930s era guns and torpedoes. Oriani receives Speed Boost and a choice of smoke screen for AA protection, but her AA defences are not great.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_oriani.htm

 

Premium Tier VII - Artigliere (Soldati Class)

The most common Italian DD of WW2, these are quite French - bigger, slower, less wiggly than the Tech Tree line, but with five accurate 5 inch guns and the introduction of SAP as a main battery armament. WW2 improved AA options are available. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_soldati.htm

 

Tier VIII: Comandanti Medaglio D'Oro

Big but not biggest - these ships sit between the large DDs of Tier VIII from France and Germany and the RN Tribal Class. Their gun calibre increases to 5.5 inch DP capable, with SAP as a main battery armament and tight salvo dispersion. Torpedoes now go out to 12km, and the ships have fuel smoke, speed boost and hydro. 

hhttp://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_comandanti.htm

 

Tier VIII Premium: Impetuoso

The first Italian post-war destroyer. Based on unused Comandante class hulls, they have a US influenced armament - 2 x 2 5 inch/38 guns DP main battery with a 3.25 sec reload (don't freak, that's about as fast as Sims), but with SAP. Has capable AA with multiple 40mm Bofors/DFAA and option to equip short range radar rather than Hydro. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_impetuoso.htm

 

-Tier IX: Project UP 39 (Paolo Emilio-ish)

Intermediate design between the Comandanti class and the Paolo Emilio. Surface armament is lighter than Paolo -  2 x 2  and 2 x 1 135mm DP guns with HE or SAP.  Torpedoes offer a choice between 15k dolphins and 7k Killer Whales and AA is capable.  

 

-Tier X: Capitiani Romani

Somewhere between Mogador and Elbing, this is a light cruiser without a citadel. It's very fast, (40 knots), very big (4000 tons), and it has very hard hitting torpedoes and strong AA.  We have the full fat 4 x 2 gun armament, but unlike Paolo Emilio, she has access to SAP and AP shells and an improved salvo dispersion. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_cr_regolo.htm

 

[_Lupastro_]

7 minuti fa, invicta2012 ha scritto:

The Russian CVS are as papery as the German ones, tbh. A few old cruise liners, a few leftover cruiser hulls, and none ever operational. 

 

That's OK, if they have speed and smoke.

 

I think I would like an Italian DD line to be speedy torpedo boats at the start (if you've played the Pan EU Romulus, which is an Italian Spica Class, you'll know the deal).

Soviet style hybrids at Tier V, VII and VII (you can see the Italian influence in Soviet ships like Ognevoi, and she was a Tier VI to begin with).

Tier VIII - X become quite German/French, with large calibre DP main guns and access to the Fuel Smoke/Speed boost gimmick of the Yolo Emilio.

 

Torps would be long range, low damage, fast reload (as in the cruisers) with options for hard hitting, slower reload types as the line progresses. Guns are few and quite slow firing but have good firing angles and  Z-31 style accuracy buffs. The ships veer between larger Cruiser style ships and RN nimble speedsters. 

 

Something like:

 

Tier II - Guiseppe La Masa

A modern destroyer for Tier II, betraying a strong British design influence. 30 knots, 4 x 4 inch guns, 2 x 2 torps on a 45 second reload. Fans of Vampire and Medea will enjoy this one.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_la_masa.htm

 

Tier III  - Falco (Aquila Class)

The Italians were playing with the idea of Scout Cruisers (Esploratori) at this time, and this is quite a big ship for Tier III. 

She has the signature 2 x 2 Italian gun armament (again, they're 4 inch guns here), 2 x 2 torp tubes, good speed (34 knots) and a generous HP pool, displacing 1500 tons. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_aquila.htm

 

Tier IV - Sella

Jumping into the 1920s now, this is a 35 knot Italian DD with 1 x 2 and 1 x 1 120mm/5 inch guns (the latter having 360 degree arcs). Similar in size to an RN V and W Class, she's faster (35 knots) and has Genova torps - good range (8k), low speed (51 knots), moderate damage (8k) and fast reload - still 45 seconds.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_sella.htm

 

Tier V - Turbine

About 1200 tons, 36 knots, 2 x 2 120mm guns (both 360) , 2 x 3 torp tubes. Small, fast, stealthy, but the guns are not great and those torpedoes are a bit slow, and give dodging opportunities.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_turbine.htm

 

Tier VI:  Freccia

About 1400 tons, 38 knots, 2 x 2 120mm guns, 2 x 3 torp tubes. Any pattern developing here? Gun armament remains 1920s vintage with poor shell arcs and travel time, but torpedoes receive a range boost and retain their fast reload times.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_freccia.htm

 

Tier VI Premium: Leone

 

Tier VII: Oriani

Another step up - 1600 tons, 38 knots, armament remains the same in number/distribution but we have 1930s era guns and torpedoes. Oriani receives Speed Boost and a choice of smoke screen for AA protection. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_oriani.htm

 

Premium Tier VII - Artigliere (Soldati Class)

The most common Italian DD of WW2, these are quite French - bigger, slower, less wiggly than the Tech Tree line, but with five accurate 5 inch guns and the introduction of SAP as a main battery armament. WW2 improved AA options are available. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_soldati.htm

 

Tier VIII: Comandanti Medaglio D'Oro

Big but not biggest - these ships sit between the large DDs of Tier VIII from France and Germany and the RN Tribal Class. Their gun calibre increases to 5.5 inch, AA capable, with SAP as a main battery armament and tight salvo dispersion. Torpedoes now go out to 12km, and the ships have fuel smoke, speed boost and hydro. 

hhttp://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_comandanti.htm

 

Tier VIII Premium: Impetuoso

The first Italian post-war destroyer. Based on unused Comandante class hulls, they have a US influenced armament - 2 x 2 5 inch/38 guns DP main battery with a 3.25 sec reload (don't freak, that's about as fast as Sims), but with SAP. Has option to equip short range radar rather than Hydro. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_impetuoso.htm

 

-Tier IX: Project UP 39 (Paolo Emilio-ish)

Intermediate design between the Comandanti class and the Paolo Emilio. Surface armament is lighter than Paolo -  2 x 2  and 2 x 1 135mm DP guns with HE or SAP.  Torpedoes offer a choice between 15k dolphins and 7k Killer Whales. 

 

-Tier X: Captiani Romani

Somewhere between Mogador and Elbing, this is a light cruiser without a citadel. It's very fast, (40 knots), very big (4000 tons), and it has very hard hitting torpedoes. We have the full fat 4 x 2 gun armament, but unlike Paolo Emilio, she has access to SAP and AP shells and an improved salvo dispersion. 

 

A dream

[invicta2012]

9 minutes ago, _Lupastro_ said:

A dream

It's what I'd like to play, any way.

 

I have absolutely no problem with the Italian ships being quirky and they don't have to have bad AA - in WW2 the British and Aussies were more than happy to take captured 20mm / 37mm Breda guns and strap them to their own ships, they were certainly better than the Pom-Poms and Vickers guns they had to work with. 

[totally_potato]

4 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

The Russian CVS are as papery as the German ones, tbh. A few old cruise liners, a few leftover cruiser hulls, and none ever operational. 

 

That's OK, if they have speed and smoke.

 

I think I would like an Italian DD line to be speedy torpedo boats at the start (if you've played the Pan EU Romulus, which is an Italian Spica Class, you'll know the deal).

Soviet style hybrids at Tier V, VII and VII (you can see the Italian influence in Soviet ships like Ognevoi, and she was a Tier VI to begin with).

Tier VIII - X become quite German/French, with large calibre DP main guns and access to the Fuel Smoke/Speed boost gimmick of the Yolo Emilio.

 

Torps would be long range, low damage, fast reload (as in the cruisers) with options for hard hitting, slower reload types as the line progresses. Guns are few and quite slow firing but have good firing angles and  Z-31 style accuracy buffs. The ships veer between larger Cruiser style ships and RN nimble speedsters. 

 

Something like:

 

Tier II - Guiseppe La Masa

A modern destroyer for Tier II, betraying a strong British design influence. 30 knots, 4 x 4 inch guns, 2 x 2 torps on a 45 second reload. Fans of Vampire and Medea will enjoy this one.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_la_masa.htm

 

Tier III  - Falco (Aquila Class)

The Italians were playing with the idea of Scout Cruisers (Esploratori) at this time, and this is quite a big ship for Tier III. 

She has the signature 2 x 2 Italian gun armament (again, they're 4 inch guns here), 2 x 2 torp tubes, good speed (34 knots) and a generous HP pool, displacing 1500 tons. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_aquila.htm

 

Tier IV - Sella

Jumping into the 1920s now, this is a 35 knot Italian DD with 1 x 2 and 1 x 1 120mm/5 inch guns (the latter having 360 degree arcs). Similar in size to an RN V and W Class, she's faster (35 knots) and has Genova torps - good range (8k), low speed (51 knots), moderate damage (8k) and fast reload - still 45 seconds.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_sella.htm

 

Tier V - Turbine

About 1200 tons, 36 knots, 2 x 2 120mm guns (both 360) , 2 x 3 torp tubes. Small, fast, stealthy, but the guns are not great and those torpedoes are a bit slow, and give dodging opportunities.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_turbine.htm

 

Tier VI:  Freccia

About 1400 tons, 38 knots, 2 x 2 120mm guns, 2 x 3 torp tubes. Any pattern developing here? Gun armament remains 1920s vintage with poor shell arcs and moderate travel time, but salvo dispersion is quite tight. Torpedoes receive a range boost and retain their fast reload times. Speed boost and a choice of fuel smoke or fast/short RN style smoke.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_freccia.htm

 

Tier VI Premium: Leone

I like the Sergio. Who cares if no-one else does?

 

Tier VII: Oriani

Another step up - 1600 tons, 38 knots, armament remains the same in number/distribution but we have 1930s era guns and torpedoes. Oriani receives Speed Boost and a choice of smoke screen for AA protection, but her AA defences are not great.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_oriani.htm

 

Premium Tier VII - Artigliere (Soldati Class)

The most common Italian DD of WW2, these are quite French - bigger, slower, less wiggly than the Tech Tree line, but with five accurate 5 inch guns and the introduction of SAP as a main battery armament. WW2 improved AA options are available. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_soldati.htm

 

Tier VIII: Comandanti Medaglio D'Oro

Big but not biggest - these ships sit between the large DDs of Tier VIII from France and Germany and the RN Tribal Class. Their gun calibre increases to 5.5 inch DP capable, with SAP as a main battery armament and tight salvo dispersion. Torpedoes now go out to 12km, and the ships have fuel smoke, speed boost and hydro. 

hhttp://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_comandanti.htm

 

Tier VIII Premium: Impetuoso

The first Italian post-war destroyer. Based on unused Comandante class hulls, they have a US influenced armament - 2 x 2 5 inch/38 guns DP main battery with a 3.25 sec reload (don't freak, that's about as fast as Sims), but with SAP. Has capable AA with multiple 40mm Bofors/DFAA and option to equip short range radar rather than Hydro. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_impetuoso.htm

 

-Tier IX: Project UP 39 (Paolo Emilio-ish)

Intermediate design between the Comandanti class and the Paolo Emilio. Surface armament is lighter than Paolo -  2 x 2  and 2 x 1 135mm DP guns with HE or SAP.  Torpedoes offer a choice between 15k dolphins and 7k Killer Whales and AA is capable.  

 

-Tier X: Capitiani Romani

Somewhere between Mogador and Elbing, this is a light cruiser without a citadel. It's very fast, (40 knots), very big (4000 tons), and it has very hard hitting torpedoes and strong AA.  We have the full fat 4 x 2 gun armament, but unlike Paolo Emilio, she has access to SAP and AP shells and an improved salvo dispersion. 

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_cr_regolo.htm

 

MF

You did it

I was trying to find DDs with these 135mm guns apart Paolo, but I only found the Comandanti Medaglio D'Oro

This proposed line will make much more sense