[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #376 Posted December 31, 2016 Akizuki - Thoughts on HEAP: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #377 Posted January 2, 2017 Damage Saturation With Torpedoes: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FOF] Forke Beta Tester 94 posts 12,050 battles Report post #378 Posted January 3, 2017 Damage Saturation With Torpedoes: First of all thanks for making a video about one of the lesser known mechanics of wows. There definitely can't be enough of these. But considering the Kurfürst you actually drew a wrong conclusion. Because the midsection of a ship can't be saturated with torpedo damage. Doing this on the Kurfürst though actually made me raise an eyebrow, because i thought i knew the torpedo mechanics in and out. Here i would recommend reading this post http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/85475-torpedo-damage-and-you/ from the na forum, which explains it way better, than i ever could. If a torpedo hits the midsection of a ship it deals its maximum damage reduced by the value of the torpedo belt to the citadel of the ship. You can easily test this if you throw repeatedly single torpedoes in the midsection of a BB, that is not the Kurfürst. It won't even get blackened. So still confused by what I just had witnessed, I jumped in to the training room myself and fired a few torpedoes at various BBs. But only the Kurfürst reacted this way. It actually seems to be a bug. The damage is done to the midsection itself, as if it would be bow or stern. The damage isn't even reduced by the torpedo belt. On the other hand it receives the full benefits of a saturated section (damage is halved and it can repair 50% of it). This actually makes the Kurfürst way more resilient to mass torpedo damage than it should be. So thanks for indirectly finding this bug. I already reported it in the german section. But for showing damage saturation you unfortunately chose the wrong ship. I have added a few screenshots so you don't have to try it yourself. Setup is a F3 shima. First shows Kurfürst receiving full 20k damage(ignoring 25% torpedo belt). Second and third show the applying damage saturation. Fourth to sixth show normal results on a Yamato, where every torpedo deals roughly 20k * 0,47 damage. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #379 Posted January 3, 2017 Des Moines - A True Monster [3907XP]: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #380 Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) Potato Midway [305k DMG]: First of all thanks for making a video about one of the lesser known mechanics of wows. There definitely can't be enough of these. But considering the Kurfürst you actually drew a wrong conclusion. Because the midsection of a ship can't be saturated with torpedo damage. Doing this on the Kurfürst though actually made me raise an eyebrow, because i thought i knew the torpedo mechanics in and out. Here i would recommend reading this post http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/85475-torpedo-damage-and-you/ from the na forum, which explains it way better, than i ever could. If a torpedo hits the midsection of a ship it deals its maximum damage reduced by the value of the torpedo belt to the citadel of the ship. You can easily test this if you throw repeatedly single torpedoes in the midsection of a BB, that is not the Kurfürst. It won't even get blackened. So still confused by what I just had witnessed, I jumped in to the training room myself and fired a few torpedoes at various BBs. But only the Kurfürst reacted this way. It actually seems to be a bug. The damage is done to the midsection itself, as if it would be bow or stern. The damage isn't even reduced by the torpedo belt. On the other hand it receives the full benefits of a saturated section (damage is halved and it can repair 50% of it). This actually makes the Kurfürst way more resilient to mass torpedo damage than it should be. So thanks for indirectly finding this bug. I already reported it in the german section. But for showing damage saturation you unfortunately chose the wrong ship. I have added a few screenshots so you don't have to try it yourself. Setup is a F3 shima. First shows Kurfürst receiving full 20k damage(ignoring 25% torpedo belt). Second and third show the applying damage saturation. Fourth to sixth show normal results on a Yamato, where every torpedo deals roughly 20k * 0,47 damage. I can assure you that all of the T10 BBs have damage saturation mechanics in the middle of the ship. I tested it with carriers. A Bismarck takes about as much damage from a concentrated mid torpedo strike as a Yamato. That would be impossible considering their torpedo bulge differences, but it happens in practice. Montana is also about the same. Edited January 7, 2017 by Aerroon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FOF] Forke Beta Tester 94 posts 12,050 battles Report post #381 Posted January 8, 2017 Well I have conducted further tests and came to a rather different conclusion. Though this time I have uploaded the replays. The first one shows the point I actually wanted to prove. The Kurfürst compared to Moskva and Montana. Whereas Montana and Moskva take the exact same torpedo damage till they sink, the Kurfürst applies damage saturation. The second replay shows the Kurfürst driven by a player taking normal torpedo damage without damage saturation. My best guess by now would be, that the damage model for at least some of the bots is broken. I am actually slightly confused though. Replays: https://wowreplays.com/Replay/26603 https://wowreplays.com/Replay/26605 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_DEInhM4yznj6 Players 4,726 posts Report post #382 Posted January 8, 2017 Potato Midway [305k DMG]: Interesting Midway game I have a question: From CV point of view, what are your thoughts that Royal Navy Cruisers don'T have AA Fire, but can be a hell of a AA ship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #383 Posted January 8, 2017 Fletcher - The Best Destroyer [215k DMG]: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #384 Posted January 11, 2017 Gneisenau - Defending Is Easier Than Attacking: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #385 Posted January 11, 2017 Midway - Carrier Economy Is Still Bad [216k DMG]: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #386 Posted January 12, 2017 Shimakaze - Every Second Counts: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #387 Posted January 13, 2017 Flint - The Ultimate Defender: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #388 Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Interesting Midway game I have a question: From CV point of view, what are your thoughts that Royal Navy Cruisers don'T have AA Fire, but can be a hell of a AA ship? I don't think it really matters. You generally don't want to drop on them anyway since they're so maneuverable and spend half the match in smoke. It's just that their AA range is annoying. Shimakaze - RPF to Victory: Edited January 14, 2017 by Aerroon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #389 Posted January 17, 2017 Grosser Kurfürst - Secondaries Are Good [229k DMG]: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #390 Posted January 17, 2017 Moskva - Just PTS Things: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #391 Posted January 18, 2017 Khabarovsk - Thanks, Matchmaking: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #392 Posted January 21, 2017 Pensacola's AP Is Amazing: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #393 Posted January 22, 2017 Minotaur - Steel Rain [181k DMG]: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #394 Posted January 23, 2017 Khabarovsk - The DD The Team Needs: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #395 Posted January 23, 2017 Blyskawica Is Very Powerful [173k DMG]: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #396 Posted January 25, 2017 Gneisenau - This Team Is Heavy [151k DMG]: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #397 Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) Kurfürst - IFHE Secondaries Are Amazing: Grosser Kurfürst - Trying Out IFHE: Edited January 25, 2017 by Aerroon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #398 Posted January 27, 2017 Shchors - Good Firepower, But Fragile: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #399 Posted January 27, 2017 Graf Spee HE Citadels With IFHE: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,103 battles Report post #400 Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Taihou - Tracking Planes Is Hard: Belfast Is Insanely Strong [188k DMG]: Edited January 29, 2017 by Aerroon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
