Update 0.10.5: The Grand Battle

[ChatBanForSayingTruth]

So the only point left to use rockets is if you ran out of other sqadrons? Or go in with secondaries still will be a better option?

[Aragathor]

6 minutes ago, _Robertas_ said:

So the only point left to use rockets is if you ran out of other sqadrons? Or go in with secondaries still will be a better option?

Secondaries are more consistent. You can of course use rockets against large slow moving targets like capital ships, after all that was their intended use in WW2, right?

[LonesomePolecat]

4 hours ago, CallicoJackRackham said:

So if i understand correctly Friesland will NOT get moved over to the netherlands but will be removed from sale and a new ''copy'' Groningen will become available at the same price as Friesland? 

Why not change the hull number, nameplate and ingame name of the EU dd to Groningen and let the one in the netherlands tree be Friesland. 

 

It’s been long discussed on the forum in a different thread (see: dev.blog).

The end of the story in short: everyone who’s having Friesland will be able to get Groningen instead. It’s gonna be a one way trade in in update 10.6.

 

Edit: actually in 10.7, my bad:

”…Commanders!

With the release of 0.10.7 owners of Friesland will have an opportunity to exchange the ship for Groningen.

The information was added to the the DevBlog post, too.”

[Fesvil]

Hey.. another Research B ship.. in essence with 3 2x resets you can get it for about 2m free exp if you reset the line completely without buying the ships..

 

No free exp ship since february 2020.. That sucks.. sideways.. Druid over Ohio? nahh don't think so :D

 

What a wasted patch.. 

 

-Fes

[lmperial_Japanese_Navy]

Nice Hyuga nerf btw, it is a good example that i can no longer trust any of your premium ships nowaday.

 

So apparently you stop testing ships in test enviroment to balancing it before release it into live server. You let people spending real money on it and few days later just when there are enough of people bought this ship because of what this ship is originally advertised , then you decided to nerf it because you found it to be too competitive (it is an IJN premium after all so it is not allowed to be good) so we ended up wasting money on a ship that is no longer the same product we originally paid for ? 

 

This means if the developers don't think Tone is properly balanced despite they releasing it to the store, then they could nerf it anytime they want, i don't know maybe they take away its heal in the first two weeks, and maybe nerf its reload to 20 second a month later, maybe it lose all its planes entirely ? After all WG can do whatever the heck they want and you are not promised to keep the same ship you are buying.

 

lol very nice, if this is still a thing in this game i might aswell spending my cash on war thunder instead, at least they don't randomly nerfing stuff as they please, well, at least if the historical performance doesn't say otherwise, nice move WG, you can keep your Tone, and my money is saved despite how much i've waited for this ship. 

[arquata2019_]

5 ore fa, YabbaCoe ha scritto:

But I am glad, that you appreciate free ship with permacamo and the idea around community tokens.

i enjoy the fact that i can get colorado with a new color (yea, the permacamo), a free t3 ship just for playing public test, etc. Even though, one feedback from me for CVs, is that i always thought you would let players choose between new rocket planes  (i mean with the new change) or fighters. Fighters can go anywhere in the map like every plane, can shot down enemy planes while you spot and give help to your team, a counterplay. what do you think of this? back to update 0.10.5, i like grand battle, and i'm happy for comunity tokens. a question: i get points for playing public test. every time i play public test i think, right? 

[CallicoJackRackham]

1 hour ago, LonesomePolecat said:

It’s been long discussed on the forum in a different thread (see: dev.blog).

The end of the story in short: everyone who’s having Friesland will be able to get Groningen instead. It’s gonna be a one way trade in in update 10.6.

 

Edit: actually in 10.7, my bad:

”…Commanders!

With the release of 0.10.7 owners of Friesland will have an opportunity to exchange the ship for Groningen.

The information was added to the the DevBlog post, too.”

 

This however mentions nothing about the commander. If i decide to exchange, do i get the commander of my friesland transferred? Do i get a new one with the exact same amount of skill points? That is what i want to know. 

[Zemeritt]

7 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

You were told multiple times that player controlled planes are a bad idea for Hybrids.

And since they are premiums, this not something that is easily changed...

 

No worries, with the new sentence in the shop article, they can easily screw over the Prems nowdays.

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

 

No worries, with the new sentence in the shop article, they can easily screw over the Prems nowdays.

That works for balance changes, but not changes of gameplay. With the CV rework, people could give back their premium CV for Dubloons.

[Zemeritt]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That works for balance changes, but not changes of gameplay. With the CV rework, people could give back their premium CV for Dubloons.

 

Yes but during the CV rework, that sentence wasn't there.

Now WG can basicly do whatever they want to the prems, you've agreed to the terms that the ship can be changed.

And if they make the planes useless, then the buyers are unlucky.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

 

Yes but during the CV rework, that sentence wasn't there.

Now WG can basicly do whatever they want to the prems, you've agreed to the terms that the ship can be changed.

No, they cannot.

They are a game company. They can do balance changes. That is the freedom that game companies have with digital goods. They cannot change Hybrids into a BB or DD.

[Zemeritt]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

No, they cannot.

They are a game company. They can do balance changes. That is the freedom that game companies have with digital goods. They cannot change Hybrids into a BB or DD.

 

They are the owner of this game and can do whatever they want. You've agreed to it.  Even if you don't want to admit it: They can easily change Prem playstyles however they want and you can't do a thing about it.

You've bought a ships with more planes then usual. As long as the planes stay, WGs can change them as much as they want: If other players complain to much, the planes will get nerfed as much as WG wants too. Even if they become worthless and you just have a BB with better scouting ability, you can't charge a refund.

[ColonelPete]

14 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

As long as the planes stay, WGs can change them as much as they want: If other players complain to much, the planes will get nerfed as much as WG wants too.

That is something different than changing their playstyle or doing what WG wants. There are limits.

[Zemeritt]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That is something different than changing their playstyle or doing what WG wants. There are limits.

 

There are no limits anymore. If they take away the direct control from the planes, they can, as this would still fall under "balance". Yet this changes the entire playstyle.

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

 

There are no limits anymore.

They cannot change the model to a duck....

[Zemeritt]

47 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

They cannot change the model to a duck....

 

Yes, because thats the only way to change playstyle. Thats why all CVs are now whales. Makes sense.

[LonesomePolecat]

5 hours ago, CallicoJackRackham said:

 

This however mentions nothing about the commander. If i decide to exchange, do i get the commander of my friesland transferred? Do i get a new one with the exact same amount of skill points? That is what i want to know. 

Well, according to WG the Friesland commander stays with the Eu tech tree. He’s sent to reserve if you decide to exchange the ship. They didn’t say wether you get a new dutch commander during the exchange or not (I highly doubt, but even if the exchanged Groningen got a new commander he’s gonna be max 10pts one or more likely a 3pts one as on all other ships in the Armory)

[ColonelPete]

6 hours ago, Zemeritt said:

 

Yes, because thats the only way to change playstyle. Thats why all CVs are now whales. Makes sense.

You are the one who claimed they can do anything they want....

[Kosmonopo]

11 hours ago, Fesvil said:

Hey.. another Research B ship.. in essence with 3 2x resets you can get it for about 2m free exp if you reset the line completely without buying the ships..

 

No free exp ship since february 2020.. That sucks.. sideways.. Druid over Ohio? nahh don't think so :D

 

What a wasted patch.. 

 

-Fes

Hey at least we get to buy a copy for Friesland again in 0.10.7 for 1m free exp !!!!  That counts!? Right!? .. right? 

[Maris_Piper]

Well! What does One say, I'm almost speechless, "Almost" I've never seen so much  and BS in one Patch, Including the first Nerf Bombed New Premium Hyuga,,,,OP   Community Tokens for inviting "Friends" into this ShiP Show, And how long would they Stay Friends after that FGS. It's Sad when even the Shills think it's Bad 

[YabbaCoe]

16 hours ago, Lc4Hunter said:

Amazing how you bring us the awesome rocket plane nerf on the live servers.

There was so many negative feedback on that but hey, why listen to the players...

Have you ever played this crap? Do you think this is ok? I tried it and it´s just bulls... Well, you don´t need to answer, of course you have to like this decisions. And as always you think this changes are great... sure.
This game gets more and more annoying...

 

Exactly the reaction i expected... no words...

Yes, we played that and it is ok. At some cases it can be a huge buff for DD, but also being invulnerable for AA while starting the attack can safe some planes. 

It will be really dependant on skills of both CV player and also DD player, which is fine, I guess. 

 

16 hours ago, WWDragon said:

Dont worry, at one point they will just make DD invulnerable to damage and then we call this game what it is, World of Destroyers.

 

 

Interesting, World of Destroyers... so we no longer have World of Battleships, World of Planes, World of Radars and World of HE spam?

Btw they won't be invulnerable, as after that it depends on skills of the DD commander, how to make evasive maneouvres and it is also still possible, that DD player won't spot that attack aircraft is coming for him.

 

15 hours ago, CallicoJackRackham said:

@YabbaCoe I heard if you have Friesland you can at some point decide to switch it for Groningen, if i were to do that can i at least transfer my dutch commander to Groningen?

Unfortunately not. Only ship itself will move, if you decide to switch it to Groningen. 

 

14 hours ago, _Robertas_ said:

So the only point left to use rockets is if you ran out of other sqadrons? Or go in with secondaries still will be a better option?

Definitely not. Effectivity of rocket planes remains the same, just now you have to adjust before launching the attack, so it would require some different planning and prediction.

 

11 hours ago, arquata2019 said:

i enjoy the fact that i can get colorado with a new color (yea, the permacamo), a free t3 ship just for playing public test, etc. Even though, one feedback from me for CVs, is that i always thought you would let players choose between new rocket planes  (i mean with the new change) or fighters. Fighters can go anywhere in the map like every plane, can shot down enemy planes while you spot and give help to your team, a counterplay. what do you think of this? back to update 0.10.5, i like grand battle, and i'm happy for comunity tokens. a question: i get points for playing public test. every time i play public test i think, right? 

It is not a bad idea, but unfortunately, as you can see, we don't have player-controlled fighters in the game anymore. But I remember, that when we were removing tier V, VII, and IX CVs from the game, it was mentioned, that they can return to the game, probably in a different role. So maybe in future, there would be a chance for something like that

[arquata2019_]

10 minuti fa, YabbaCoe ha scritto:

It is not a bad idea, but unfortunately, as you can see, we don't have player-controlled fighters in the game anymore. But I remember, that when we were removing tier V, VII, and IX CVs from the game, it was mentioned, that they can return to the game, probably in a different role. So maybe in future, there would be a chance for something like that 

Ok, another question: i get comunity tokens for taking part/participating in Public Test. Do i get those tokens every round i participate in, right?

[Maris_Piper]

50 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Unfortunately not. Only ship itself will move, if you decide to switch it to Groningen.

Wargaming could Limbo under a Snakes Belly 

[YabbaCoe]

47 minutes ago, arquata2019 said:

Ok, another question: i get comunity tokens for taking part/participating in Public Test. Do i get those tokens every round i participate in, right?

Basically yes. Though it wasn't announced how exactly will those tokens be delivered (my personal guess will be via PT ingame missions as they are now), but it definitely will be considering both rounds.

[Lc4Hunter]

Vor 2 Stunden, YabbaCoe sagte:

Yes, we played that and it is ok. At some cases it can be a huge buff for DD, but also being invulnerable for AA while starting the attack can safe some planes. 

It will be really dependant on skills of both CV player and also DD player, which is fine, I guess.

You are kidding, right? up to 4 seconds delay while firing is ok for you. Sure...
I also played it on PTS and i am sure i am some sort of a good CV player... this change is horandous and a huge nerf. Nothing else.

Saving planes is alway fine, but saving planes that are now nearly absolute useless is ... yeajh... useless. Now they got saved because they will be not used anymore.

But an idea: Play a few matches with the changes and make a video that show us how "ok" it is. How fine it works.

I know, we will never get more from you then empty words...

 

So, to be honest, i cannot belive your words because you need to say and agree with what WG does and wants.
I know this from the company i am working for... we need to do the same.

 

To give you a more specific example:
We use Hakuryu in Clanwars. It is not the best CV to attack DDs, sure. But we often face a situation where the enemy DD, most times Halland, Smaland, sometimes Marceau, hides behind an island in a cap.
I can attack the DD behind its island a few times. After the change, the DDs has 4 further seconds to "dodge". And to be honest, in 4 seconds, you can accelerate enough to avoid some of the damage. If the DD is already moving, he can just turn out into a direction you are not aiming (and hey... he now also sees where you are aiming to).
It really needs much DD-player skill to press accelerate, deccelerate or to turn in a direction the CV is not aiming to...
Oh and when i try to predict the move of my target, try to drop before or aft, what do you think he will do? He moves in the opposite direction or just stays where he is as he can see where i am going to drop.
it´s a bad joke, nothing less and nothing more.

Whats coming next? Indicators where the shells of a BB will land? Or little flags on torpedoes that i can see them from at least 10km?