Unicom. Really??

[Cyclops_]

So much for Unicum CV player, in a Silver ranked battle just after lunch, went B informed I was TRB in my Yugumo, Unicum CV piped up that my job was to cap and spot not to do damage, (funny, I can do all 3) also got told not to play ranked in TRB yugumo by another player. I caped B headed for C, their Yugumo and a BB was at C, I had 2 BB of ours behind me, kita spotted by CV as I closed in on C,   Kita had 90% go removed by myself and BB, their BB hid behind island at C, I closed in on island in C, reversed into cap with all trips ready, BB reversed into view I torp’d and sank BB, I now came under fire from CV as so caped asked for cover from CV, nom coming got berated by some team members for taking TRB, Yugumo appeared I took all but 10hp off him and our BB finished him, red CV spotted in range, sent 4 sets of torp’d on stationary CV all torp’s on target, CV still attacking me and kills me, during this time our Unicum CV refused to give AA cover and continued to attack red CV along with BB, CV sank just as my torps hit, took 30k off CV before he died before rest of torps arrived. I just feel that I was there only to benefit our CV so he could do as much damage as he could, we won the battle, but I kinda had the last laugh though, came 2nd in team result and ahead of Unicum CV and all others that berated me for bringing TRB Yugumo, called me idiot etc.

 

Rant over.

[ColonelPete]

It is not the job of CV to give AA cover.

It is a Bonus, when they are near you.

[lovelacebeer]

First off never expect AA support from CVs for a start it’s of limited value and unless he is a division mate he is under no obligation to help you over others. 
 

Secondly and most importantly that sounds like normal a CV player from my experience. They are in a damage farming race, they are not your ally. As for his attitude I can’t think of more than a couple of matches ever where I had a pleasant CV player, most say nothing (probably a good thing) and if they do ever use chat it’s usually to blame everyone else for anything going wrong.

[Myrmix]

CV's can't really do a lot against enemy aircraft (for whatever reason).

Even if you spec fully into your fighters, you can only drop them and hope for the best.

 

You used to have specialized fighters to take on enemy bombers, but these times are gone here.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Fighters are best used to spot and kill enemy DDs, so at the start I will not waste them on team mates who might even drive out of the area. 

 

After the initial DD engagements, when I see my DD in the cap, I will try to give him one, but not if I expect an enemy DD to be there too... 

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

It is not the job of CV to give AA cover.

It is a Bonus, when they are near you.

 

I do not fully agree in ranked setting.

 

The reason is when you leave them to fend for themselves they often get killed. Only an handful DD have DFAA and that does not make them tier X Hallands. And if your sides DD get killed, defeat soon follows.

 

However,

 

If there is allied and enemy DD activity in 2 caps you have to choose so allied DD in 1 cap always feel betrayed. And the cap CV is supporting may not even be the cap that is under enemy air attack, as the CV player must judge where to support by either protecting or killing DD. If the one cap provides strategical benefit ( what happens after the cap ) the other cap is left to fend for themselves.

 

I play DD....i often do not get support and feel frustrated. But this is not an RTS game where you can command all pieces. You often have to accept your are left to die and defend the cap as long as possible so your team mates can circle the enemy and kill them from behind. If that does not happen, you lost anyway.

 

In ranked it is about winning. Not scoring. If an unthankful tasks for which you will die with a low score gets you a win....so what ?

 

Btw : i never protect Cruisers or BB.....if they are so low HP air attack can kill them i consider them dead already as anything and anyone can pick them off. Only in rare cases a win is so close it might depend on them not exploding AND they will survive a 1st pass i will drop fighters on them. I play BB too...it is very frustrating to be torpedoed or divebombed by a squadron that keeps perfoming pass after pass. But as a CV player i know there is a reason why it picked me and not the other BB.

[GarrusBrutus]

Trb Yugumo.... Yikes. 

[Bear__Necessities]

16 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Trb Yugumo.... Yikes. 

Oi!!! TRb Kagero AND Yugumo are the ONLY true way to play them. 

[Kenjiro_]

1 hour ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Oi!!! TRb Kagero AND Yugumo are the ONLY true way to play them. 

 

Not in ranked tough, where the usual setup is 3DD + 3 BB + 1CA/CV 

 

I agree the ones who told OP not to play Yugumo (especially a TRB one) in ranked....

 

[tocqueville8]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

It is not the job of CV to give AA cover. 

It is a Bonus, when they are near you. 

Agreed.

 

Also, there's the occasional super-salty DD player who will complain "stupid fighters, you've told them where I am!!!", as though I could drop fighters in some stupid spot on the map and thus fool the enemy team into thinking there's a DD there.

 

I had one such specimen, in a Jutland, go on and on to me in chat after a battle we'd easily won (where my Kaga was relentless, if I say so myself), about how me giving him fighters twice in a row around the cap (he thanked me the first time...) spoiled his "perfect ambush" against an Ostergotland (it would've been a fair fight, actually), thus making him lose more hp which meant he had less hp later, which meant he would've been able to sink the last enemy DD himself before that DD could launch a final set of torps which sank (Flesh Wound) our other BB (who showed broadside to a dead DD out of carelessness), which was pointless anyway because we steamrolled them.

Some people are just never happy.

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Trb Yugumo.... Yikes. 

Yeah I went that way in Random, but in Ranked you can get 1 CV + 3 DDs, which feels about the same as 2 CVs and 5-6 DDs in Randoms.

 

And that's a 'nope' for me.

[tocqueville8]

2 hours ago, Myrmix said:

You used to have specialized fighters to take on enemy bombers, but these times are gone here.

There are interceptors now, but I'd say fewer than 10% of the CVs I meet spec into them.

 

I'm assuming they're really good against strike aircraft, but honestly, my most productive fighters are probably those that spot.

[Ocsimano18]

40 minutes ago, Kenjiro_ said:

 

Not in ranked tough, where the usual setup is 3DD + 3 BB + 1CA/CV 

 

I agree the ones who told OP not to play Yugumo (especially a TRB one) in ranked....

 

It’s very rare to see CVs in ranked silver. Gold is like full of them.

[Kenjiro_]

16 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

It’s very rare to see CVs in ranked silver. Gold is like full of them.

 

You have enough problems as a TRB Yugumo when half the enemy team are gunboats looking for you... CV may be even a blessing for it keeps enemy gunboats in check... 

[Ocsimano18]

My biggest issue with Kagero/Yugumo players that they are usually not regrind players but some DD noobs who rush the cap to die there or smoke up before a radar or hydro ship, or charge a smoked up hydro DD. A TRB Yugumo/Kagero at least knows what they are doing.

[thisismalacoda]

Vor 3 Stunden, GarrusBrutus sagte:

Trb Yugumo.... Yikes. 

As a TRB Yugumo with 8 km torps in ranked, I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[Cyclops_]

7 minutes ago, thisismalacoda said:

As a TRB Yugumo with 8 km torps in ranked, I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Prefer the B hull with it’s 12k torp’s.

[GarrusBrutus]

9 minutes ago, thisismalacoda said:

As a TRB Yugumo with 8 km torps in ranked, I find your lack of faith disturbing.

I've seen yugumo things. Things no man should see. So many naked and stock Yugumos. So many first bloods. 

[KratosTheUnforgiving]

If CV in team, I play as if he is not there, as they seldom play for the team, ignore the most obvious targets and just WG love child scum !

[Bear__Necessities]

31 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

I've seen yugumo things. Things no man should see. So many naked and stock Yugumos. So many first bloods. 

It's ok, it's ok, shhhh, there there. I'm here to balance those things that you can't un-see out. Look. Look at the purple a TBR yugumo and Kag can achieve. Don't stop believing! 

https://na.wows-numbers.com/player/1036458028,Vasili_One_Bonk_only/

 

In fact I'm number 1 and number 10 on WR in Yugumo on NA. *insert evil grin*

 

(I will actually now use TBR Yugumo in ranked when I'm next back on the game. 

[Cyclops_]

Pretty happy being 7th in results 😁

 

[_Kokushibo_]

2 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

A TRB Yugumo/Kagero at least knows what they are doing.

 

Not necessarily. A TRB Yugumo/Kagero player gambles, trades survivability for potential damage.

[Trench4nt]

Vor 10 Stunden, ColonelPete sagte:

It is not the job of CV to give AA cover.

It is a Bonus, when they are near you.

 

Well, as long as the DD has more opportunities to get/hold/defend a cap while being protected from getting hunted or getting spotted, then fighters are a good choice?

[inkedsoulz]

Taking TRB in anything in ranked is kinda griefing. Without smoke, on a lot of situations u will need to play extra safe, and that means u will be soo far in the back, that u will not be able to provide proper scouting and spotting for ur team,

 

Also if u ever get engaged, unless there is an island and some cover where u can quickly reach, or having heavy support to deter him from engaging you, u will just be ran down and die.

 

 

There is literally no reason to play TRB Yugumo, your torpedoes already have enough alpha to devstrike anything if u place them properly, you dont need the extra sets.

 

As a destroyer, the most important thing for you is to stay alive, and swapping out smoke for TRB just decreases your chances of surviving, also forces you to play extra safe, which decreases your impact on the game.

[xe_N_on]

Smoke doesn't protect you

Vor 1 Stunde, inkedsoulz sagte:

Taking TRB in anything in ranked is kinda griefing. Without smoke, on a lot of situations u will need to play extra safe, and that means u will be soo far in the back, that u will not be able to provide proper scouting and spotting for ur team,

 

 

Smoke won't help too much, if there is radar around, anyway ... especially radar DDs ... or DDs with long range hydro ... It also doesn't protect you reliable against air attacks, because good CV players have a chance to strike you in smoke. With TRB you have to play save. But you have to play save anyway, even with smoke.