What CV line to pick? Any good premium CVs?

[seXikanac]

So, I want to go into CVs as Im bit bored with WoWS lately. Which CV line to pick? And is there any good premium CVs to buy, for doubloons

[WorthyOpponent]

If you don't have experience with CVs I don't recommend buying them.

 

For starters, I'd say US CVs are all you need. Just make sure to dodge black clouds called "flak" and the rest will come with experience.

[Spartan_Renegade]

 

There's this excellent CV that's very user-friendly and leaves you satisfied. I highly recommend it. 10/10

 

Spoiler

USS Dontplaythem 

 

[Nov_A]

USN CVs to learn, they teach you all the basics and have reliable armament. If you feel comfortable and after getting satisfying results, consider the IJN CVs, they can perform even stronger, but you also need to be able to make them work. Dont get fooled by the sterilized Hosho on T4, the other IJN CVs are really good. Stay away from the RN CVs, KM has its moments but is generally underperforming, too unreliable or situational, in addition to not being a good choice for beginners.

 

Dont buy the premium ones, they differ somewhat from their tech-tree counterpart and tend to be more skill based, since they are all kind of speshul or lack reliability. The tech tree got you covered well with the most effective ships, unless some shady guy in a dark alley offers you an Enterprise in exchange for "a favour".

[MementoMori_6030]

Wait for the line of the most experienced nation in CV warfare.

 

Russia.

[Spartan_Renegade]

Just now, MementoMori_6030 said:

Wait for the line of the most experienced nation in CV warfare.

 

Russia.

 

 

 

Perfectly Balansed CVs with crawling smoke consumable :):

 

 

 

[MementoMori_6030]

The crawling smoke is actually faster than the scrapyard ship.

[WorthyOpponent]

I should probably mention if you want to buy a premium you can actually consider Erich Loewenhardt

It's going to be removed from store soon and it's just T6

[El2aZeR]

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What CV line to pick? Any good premium CVs?

US.

No. Available premium CVs are all inferior to tech tree ones.

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, seXikanac said:

So, I want to go into CVs as Im bit bored with WoWS lately. Which CV line to pick? And is there any good premium CVs to buy, for doubloons

 

I agree to the part where you are probably best off playing the tech tree ones 1st.

 

These are most player friendly and at least equally powerful as Premiums that are still available.

 

When you would buy :

 

Kaga : very strong torpedo damage and large squadrons but it will frustrate you as the planes are made of rice paper. As new and learning player you will be deplaned.

Saipan : very strong planes but very few of them. As new and learning  player you will be deplaned in the beginning- mid part of the match. 

Idomitable : very strong planes but very few of them. As new and learning  player you will be deplaned in the beginning-mid part of the match. You also need to be mindful of deck armour of ships to do good damage.

Graf Zeppelin : fast but fragile planes, not good at anything in particulair ( since AP bomb nerfs ) but a powerfull hull that can do funny things in rare temporary game modes. As a new and learning player...yeah you guessed it..

 

When you reach the stage deplaning does not happen anymore above CV are enjoyable.

 

Ark Royal comes to mind as a Tier VI that gives strong damage and has durable planes, but the planes are very slow. So slow it will be hard to get deplaned.

 

An example tech tree CV are not per definition weaker or stronger. My most played CV in red square.

 

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, seXikanac said:

So, I want to go into CVs as Im bit bored with WoWS lately. Which CV line to pick? And is there any good premium CVs to buy, for doubloons

The Correct answer to this is, rather than playing CVs, to get neked, liberally coat your joy department in strawberry jam, and belly-crawl over a really ill-tempered ant heap.

 

The sensible answer is, as others have said, to focus on the US and IJN silver lines; they're the standard 'how to CV' lines. The KM are also fun, but a bit weird (AP rockets require a different approach to HE), and the RN are meh. I should emphasise that I rarely play against real people, and my CVs almost entirely live in Ops, with an occasional foray into Coop to do missions.

 

If you can't be bothered making people's lives miserable from T4, the T6 premiums are both fun, albeit both a bit weird. They're good value for Ops though. IMO Ark Royal is probably the safe bet, although her planes are horribly slow (Swordfish); Erich Loewenhardt (about to be removed) is very worthwhile too, although you do need to master the dive bombers as her torp planes are pretty hopeless (unlike the KM silver options).

 

To be clear: I view CVs as a bloody menace to the game, so all my views are very much not from a PvP perspective; they can be a giggle against bots though.

[Nov_A]

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

US.

No. Available premium CVs are all inferior to tech tree ones.

EL < Weser

 

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[Mad_Dog_Dante]

The US line is easiest, but it won't save you from being bored with the game as carriers have the most boring 1 dimensional gameplay in the game.

[Cirno9999]

any cv is good to make people suffer

german has good ap bombs with decent damage spikes(bombs can overpenetrate sometimes on lighter cruisers , torps are short range and fast (not Erich loewenhardt ones , these are slow and have long range), rocket planes are armor piercing rounds , so no luck starting fires there

didnt have played Immelmann yet but skip bombs are quite good but tricky to use i heard, also most planes have high speed

 

Us: has durable planes , good he rockets and tiny Tim rockets (bigger rocket than smaller ones , heavier payload). torpedos have long aiming phase and are often slow. Bombers use He bombs only

 

UK: good fire chance of all bombers and fighters , Uk gimmick is that Bombers are carpet bombers , small bombs but lots of them, good for starting multi fires

 

IJN : Good torps , short aiming phase , planes are a bit squishy, moderate he rocket and ap bombs damage 

 

French : able to make 2000 baguettes

Russia: MiGs and missle strikes and submarine support

 

[MrWastee]

[edit]... just    dont   !

[Cirno9999]

2 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

i saw op in higher tier dd... just    dont   !

nameshaming not allowed here

[Redthorne]

5 hours ago, Nov_A said:

EL < Weser

 

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Probably not, but Ryujo is arguably better than EL as an all-rounder, as EL kinda struggles to take down BBs.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Erich Loenhaart is very strong for it's tier and tier 6 is a good place to learn carriers.

It's also going so it's the only carrier I would suggest you buy without already having carrier experience.

 

Of the currently available carriers I would say both the Kaga and Saipan are strong but the Saipan requires a lot more skill.

 

Kaga starts with huge reserves but will drain them eventually, It's just that a mistake will not cost you all of your planes at once.

 

The US CV line is the best to start as it  is very versatile and can be a danger to all classes.

[Wulf_Ace]

12 hours ago, seXikanac said:

So, I want to go into CVs as Im bit bored with WoWS lately. Which CV line to pick? And is there any good premium CVs to buy, for doubloons

Kaga.

 

[totally_potato]

13 hours ago, seXikanac said:

So, I want to go into CVs as I'm bit bored with WoWS lately. Which CV line to pick? And is there any good premium CVs to buy, for doubloons

For the premium CVs?

Get Erich Lowenhardt for now, as she leaves the store in two weeks and is a great CV. 

 

Now on to the CV lines

We have 4 CV lines

USA, Japan, Britain and Germany

 

The US CVs are the best CVs to begin with. Good HE bombs, good torps, the best HE rockets. Planes are quite slow tho, tho not as slow as the british. But it should help you to master the basics. 

 

Then go for the British CVs. Ppl say they are bad, but I genuinely think its quite good. Torps  go from wide to narrow kinda direction which allows you to hit cruisers (even the agile ones) in the face quite hard. Rockets are kinda meh. You launch a crap ton of them but they can only pin 27mm and the fire chance and dmg ain't great. Best for use against DDs or to set a fire. Carpet HE bombers are amazing. They cover a huge area, and they deal quite the dmg and set fires all day. Its a good line for those who are mastering the basics.

 

Now we have the AP CVs

 

Japanese are the OG ones. The AP bombs move down, hit the deck and citadel the ship on a good drop. Angles needs to be perfect tho. They also are quite fast for planes, and the AP DBs move down immediately and land on top of the ship. They have fair HE rockets, which set fires and can dmg DDs. Her torps are her best weapon. Her topr planes have very good conceal so with the proper build you can literally start your attack run unspotted and when you are spotted, you launch the torps. And the torps hit very hard. You should go for this line when you have basically mastered the CV (mastered means you are quite good at it and the team can rely on you for winning the game) and you like AP bombs and good torps.

 

German CVs are the hardest one to master. They are purely AP CVs. AP rockets for use against cruisers, AP bombs for use against BBs and SCs, and the torps for DDs coz the torps are fast, they have a good disp and don't hit hard. This CV basically requires you to think and breathe at the same time to get the most out of them unlike the US CVs. Your planes are the fastest of the bunch but are the weakest in terms of HP. You can't just point and click and hope to succeed like the rest (except maybe the japanese). You have to plan your attacks in advance, and if something goes wrong you are screwed but if your prediction is right, you are rewarded quite a lot (hence at the start, I always use my torps as I'll dmg anything efficiently (even if its not that high of dmg) and through scouting, I can use the rest of my aircraft efficiently). Once you master the German CVs, you are basically a legendary dragon aka the current Hakuryu. Its quite hard to actually master the CV but a good CV player can quickly turn the tide of battle.

 

In terms of fun levels, the German CVs are the most fun as they are the most complicated.

 

So that's what you need to know. USN CVs should be your first, German should be your last. Get Lowenhardt as your CV premium, but don't start playing it, until you are ready. You can figure out the rest of the premiums along the way.

 

 

[Sunleader]

13 hours ago, seXikanac said:

So, I want to go into CVs as Im bit bored with WoWS lately. Which CV line to pick? And is there any good premium CVs to buy, for doubloons

 

 

Disclaimer.

CVs are the most Overpowered and most Influental Class in the Game.

This however also means. That if you Suck at Playing them. You will Lose FAAAAR more Often. Because you make out about 40-50% of your Teams Total Influence.

Meaning if you Suck its almost Impossible for your Team to Compensate You and thus unless the Enemy CV Sucks too they have barely any Chance to Win this despite you messing up.

Hence if you cant actually Play CVs you will lose ALOT more often than with other Classes were generally even if you mess up. Others can still compensate for you and Win.

 

So everything I Say below only Applies if you become a Decent CV Player that can actually Play CVs.

 

 

Now for the actual thing.

 

 

Frankly. If your Bored. CVs are the Worst Class to Pick.

But thats a different Story.

 

The Best CVs to Win Battles are the US CV Line. As they can effectively Hunt DDs. Taking them out Early and thus Greatly Increasing Chances to Win Matches.

 

A more Versatile CV Line is Generally the Japanese ones. As they come with AP Bombs and Strong Torpedoes which are good at Dealing Damage that Sticks. However. Especially with the Rocket Nerfs. They tend to have less Influence on Winning the Match as they cant Kill DDs that Effectively.

 

British and German Lines are Horrible and can be Ignored unless you want to Torture yourself...

 

 

 

Good Premium CVs are a Relative thing.

Premium CVs tend to be very Specialized on something.

 

Ignore Graf Zeppelin. Its the absolutely worst T8 CV and Completely useless right now after WG Nerfed it into Oblivion.

Idnomitable is Meh as well. Albeit nowhere nearly as Bad as GZ...

 

So on T8 you either get yourself a Kaga. Which is a very Strong CV if you can Play CVs. Because not only does it have the Firepower to really Kill stuff. But its also got the Reserves to just keep Coming even in Tier 10

Or you get yourself a Saipan. Which is the Polar Opposite. Its quickly bleeding Planes if your not a good CV Player. But in exchange its Offensive Power is even Stronger than Kagas in almost any aspect but especially against DDs.

 

 

I dont Recommend getting the Loewenhardt because its not really Influental. Its Powerful in a Fight. But in terms of Winning Matches its not really Good.

Neither is Ark Royal. So on T6 Premium CVs are Meh.

Best T6 CV would likely be Ryuojo from the Japanese. Albeit this is the one Place where the UK with Furious do have a Decent CV.

 

 

 

Long Story Short.

If you want to Win Matches by Influence get the US CV Line and the Saipan.

If you want to Rack up Damage Numbers and Kills go for the Japanese line and Kaga instead.

 

[totally_potato]

44 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

British and German Lines are Horrible and can be Ignored unless you want to Torture yourself...

Cap

German CVs require you to think and breathe at the same time. Doesn't mean they are horrible.

44 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

I dont Recommend getting the Loewenhardt because its not really Influental. Its Powerful in a Fight. But in terms of Winning Matches its not really Good.

Neither is Ark Royal. So on T6 Premium CVs are Meh.

Best T6 CV would likely be Ryuojo from the Japanese. Albeit this is the one Place where the UK with Furious do have a Decent CV.

Again cap. 

Ark royal is quite a good CV

Erich is literally the best CV at t6 with nukes, AP rockets, and okish torps. If that's meh, might as well call enterprise balanced

[ImperialAdmiral]

Art Royal is the coolest all around premium CV and fairly easy to play.

 

Personally I would get IJN Ryujo and stick with it for a while. It is super fun to play and you can learn the mechanics there.

[Sunleader]

34 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

Cap

German CVs require you to think and breathe at the same time. Doesn't mean they are horrible.

Again cap. 

Ark royal is quite a good CV

Erich is literally the best CV at t6 with nukes, AP rockets, and okish torps. If that's meh, might as well call enterprise balanced

 

1.

Sure Mate. Pls Tell me how to Play CV....

I am after all just your usual Potato CV Player with a Winrate of 40%....

 

 

Sarcasm aside. 

 

British CVs Suck because they got no Hard Damage and no Staying Power.

They give very high Damage Numbers. But All of that Damage is Soft Damage and can be Repaired. And they are not very Efficient at Hunting DDs.

And their Plane Reserves are very low. Any Loss Hurts Limiting your Choices of Attacks. Resulting in your Influence being very Limited throughout the Battle or if you want/need to expend it early. Being nonexistant in later Stages of the Battle.

 

On T6 with Furious. This isnt a Big Problem. Most Cruisers you meet dont have Heals. And the DDs generally have fairly low Torpedo Ranges and bad Concealment forcing them to Operate far outside AA Range. Moreover most BBs got alot of Soft Armor to cause Direct Damage as well as barely anyone having Decent AA unless your Uptiered to T8.

But on T8 and T10 Cruisers and BBs mostly laugh off your Damage cause its either HE or Fire Damage and thus can be Repaired for most Part. DDs either have AA making it costly for you to Attack them or have such Good Conceament and/or Torp Range that they can Operate close to their Teammates Frontlines to fall back to.

And as you got very few Planes. You often cant just Throw Planes into Blobs because they cant Replace the Losses.

 

 

German CVs are the same with one Exception. They got almost Exclusively Hard Attack. But their Damage Output is much lower.

But they also got no Staying Power and are Horrible at Hunting DDs.

 

At T10 where Hard Power actually becomes Valuable. This can be used to some Extend. Because you can Deny Cruisers and BBs the Healing of their Damage. Thus being able to Influence the Battle a little by Killing Cruisers.

But in Total your Influence is still complete Rubbish Compared to Ships like Midway or Haku because you cant do anything about DDs that have half a Brain. And your Planes are so Flimsy that a few mistakes basicly Remove you from the Battle for several Minutes.

 

 

You tell me that these CVs require you to Breath and Think at the same time.

But Frankly. They are the exact Opposite.

 

British and German CV Lines are Potato Traps. They Lure in Potato Players by Providing them with easily Archievable Huge Damage Numbers against useless and irrelevant Targets. Thus making them Feel like they did Good.

But they got little to no Influence on the Outcome of the Battle.

 

 

 

2.

Nope. Ark Royal is exactly the same as the Described above.

A Potato Trap which gives you very high Damage Numbers but almost no Influence in Battle.

Its basicly like Potatos Playing British BBs.

They Sit in the Rear and Snipe Enemy BBs racking up high Damage Numbers but not doing anything relevant to Win the Game.

 

As for Loewenhardt.

I wish that CV was Strong. But its not.

That CV is Basicly a Roulette Table.

 

You got Strong AP Rockets. But they only do something if you find the enemey Potatos which will give you Flat Broadside to Citadel them. They are useless against DDs and BBs entirely and if the Enemy Cruiser has any remnant of a Brain and Angles a bit. They wont do much against them either.

 

You got the Weakest Torps of T6 which instead of being at least Fast like German Silver Torps are even Slower than other CV Torps....  Meaning not only are they Harder to Hit with but they are also Weak if they Hit....

 

And then you got the One Selling Aspect. The 1 Ton HE Bombs. Which are basicly T8-10 HE Bombs in terms of Damage and Penetration. Just that like Graf Zeppelin AP Bombs. They have an Ungodly RNG which makes any Drop of them a Roulette Round because they can Manage to even Miss a Battleship despite Full Accurazy on the Drop....

 

Round it up with Flimsy Planes and you got the Loewenhardt.

The CV that Looks Awesome on Paper. And can have Really Nice Moments. But then just as well can be Complete Rubbish because RNGesus Said Nope and just decided to make you miss that DD with 3 Drops in a Row doing 0 Damage to him while he Shot down 3 of your Flimsy and Limited Planes.

 

 

Oh and to Add Insult to Injury. Your Secondary Battery is Short Ranged and has no Accuracy Buffs unlike Graf Zeppelin. Thus being almost useless unless some DD gets to like 2km distance where even that Battery will Hit.

 

 

 

 

 

3.

See Mate. Thats the thing.

Balance is about Comparisson.

Any T8 CV will be Measured on Enterprise. Any T10 will be Measured on Midway and Haku.

Any T6 will be Measured on Ryujo.

 

Its not like Manfred or Ark Royal are Bad by Default.

Compared to almost any other Ship in their Respective Tiers. They are really Strong.

But they have to Compete with the other CVs. Which just Outclass them to a Ridiculous Degree.

[totally_potato]

44 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

You got Strong AP Rockets. But they only do something if you find the enemey Potatos which will give you Flat Broadside to Citadel them. They are useless against DDs and BBs entirely and if the Enemy Cruiser has any remnant of a Brain and Angles a bit. They wont do much against them either.

 

You got the Weakest Torps of T6 which instead of being at least Fast like German Silver Torps are even Slower than other CV Torps....  Meaning not only are they Harder to Hit with but they are also Weak if they Hit....

 

And then you got the One Selling Aspect. The 1 Ton HE Bombs. Which are basicly T8-10 HE Bombs in terms of Damage and Penetration. Just that like Graf Zeppelin AP Bombs. They have an Ungodly RNG which makes any Drop of them a Roulette Round because they can Manage to even Miss a Battleship despite Full Accurazy on the Drop....

Wdym?

I nuke DDs with those stukas let alone BBs and the majority of the enemy team is dumb enough to give you broadside and those are T8 AP rockets. And the planes are fast so they can reposition themselves and dodge flak way better.

Agreed with the torps

 

You said USN CVs are good but RN CVs are not coz their dmg doesn't stick. Uh what?

British rockets are trash against heavy ships but you dumpster DDs with them. Same from USN rockets. And both bombs are HE, so both dmg can be healed back. USN torps are good, RN torps have more chance of hitting coz their spread is as such (wide on drop but narrows gradually)

 

44 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

German CVs are the same with one Exception. They got almost Exclusively Hard Attack. But their Damage Output is much lower.

But they also got no Staying Power and are Horrible at Hunting DDs.

Damage output is lower? We aren't talking German HE here. 

Also AP rockets with fast planes, you almost exclusively get broadsides (coz a) You reposition better coz the planes are very fast and have good turn rate, and also you dodge flak and well continuous does jack crap, b) Many ppl still don't get the concept of turning away) 

Horrible at hunting DDs? 

1. You don't only hunt DDs by damaging them, you spot them as well.

2. And remind me what the very fast, low damage god dispersion torps are for.

The AP bombs have the highest potential AP damage of any CV and you always get atleast 1 that does like 8k and maybe a pin or two. You get double cits a lot as well. Triple cits aren't as regular as it once was but its good for the BBs and SCs other wise it would be a bit too broken imo.

 

All and all

German CVs are tricky to play but if mastered, they are rough to deal with and have a lot of influence on the battle. Not to mention that in the right scenario they can push in coz they are stupidly tanky and have good secs base (if you build a bit of accuracy they are even better.