Auction Rigged

[Ocsimano18]

So the winning bids for the coal on both NA and EU were just above 80M. It’s statistically about 0% likely, given the vastly different server population. If the prize pool was shared among the servers, then the number of winners is different on each servers, given the winning bid was the same.

 

So mathematically, the auction was rigged.

[ColonelPete]

And it was explained that the 5000 bids were for all servers...

[Ocsimano18]

7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And it was explained that the 5000 bids were for all servers...

They wrote that the number of winners was the same on each server. Were they lying in an advertistment? Mathematically, they cannot have the same number of winners and the same credit limit for winning across servers.

 

[Ocsimano18]

Also the same limit on the Asia server:

 

[bloodynicknames]

I couldnt care less about the auction for credits, thats really just a virtual resource sink.

got goddamn, if I understand this correctly WG made AT LEAST 30000€ from that commander and AT LEAST 10000€ from a [edited]flag. 

let that sink in, the effort for them to make these 2 "item" comes down to, well, lets be generous, 1 working day for each. Even by european standards(which im certain WGs pay isnt up to) this comes down to about 100€ each. 

And what really blows my mind is that there are actually suckers around that pay this kind of money. 

 

guess that explains why we have ppl with 10k games that still dont understand the basic mechanics. 

 

[WorthyOpponent]

13 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

Also the same limit on the Asia server:

 

 

 

Smallest I found, apparently this won

 

[Twisteddk]

We have players in our clan with over a billion credits. So I am not surprised prices could be driven this high. 
Honestly though, for a "recently started" player like myself, with only a few Tier10s, that is the price of about two-three complete techlines. So if I had that amount of credits, I still probably wouldn't spend it on bidding for coal.  If I wanted the coal, I would have to buy about 220€ worth of credits to make a bid at around 75 million. I can buy a LOT of other ships or resources with that amount of cash. and 100K coal barely gives me half a ship. So I think you would have to have money like grass to even consider buying resources to win an auction like this. Particularly, since there is no guarantee that you can subsequently USE the resources you purchased (well, dubloons, you might always find use for, but credits become superflous at some point in time).  So I doubt many whales have purchased big amounts of money for this auction. Personally, I would rather buy  crates that have coal in them. That guarantees me a reward. And anyone mathematically savvy enough to understand the cutoff point, wont bid any higher than what he could otherwise get in crates, where there are also a lot of "side bonuses" (like flags and camos)
 

The fact that the lower end of the bids is 80 million, just means there are higher bids too, not that there is any rigging involved. The highest bids win, eventually when we near winner number 5000, there is a cutoff point, that is natural, not rigged. It just means that the 5000 winners were for all servers, not PER server.

[HystericalAccuracy]

I am just happy I didn´t participate in this. Saw too many people irl which gambled, had some initial success and ultimately failed. What if someone did get the coal and confidently makes the next bid; and next; and then runs out of credits and starts buying credits in prem shop for real money? Oh, just this one captain, and this one removed OP-ship, etc. Once you get hooked, you can´t escape.

[Fat_Maniac]

55 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

So the winning bids for the coal on both NA and EU were just above 80M. It’s statistically about 0% likely, given the vastly different server population. If the prize pool was shared among the servers, then the number of winners is different on each servers, given the winning bid was the same.

 

So mathematically, the auction was rigged.

No they told us repeatedly.

 

There were a total of 5000 lots of 100k coal available across all of the server clusters combined. All bids from all clusters were combined and the top 5000 bids from across the world won.

 

So the lowest winning bid would end up being just about the same on every server, which is exactly what we see.

 

No rigging involved.

[tocqueville8]

1 minute ago, VIadoCro said:

I am just happy I didn´t participate in this. Saw too many people irl which gambled, had some initial success and ultimately failed.  What if someone did get the coal and confidently makes the next bid; and next; and then runs out of credits and starts buying credits in prem shop for real money? Oh, just this one captain, and this one removed OP-ship, etc. Once you get hooked, you can´t escape.

It's not *exactly* like gambling, though, is it?
 

I mean, if you go out of your way to purchase credits to enter a higher bid and be sure to win, sure, you'll waste your money, but you can also waste money using dubs to get free xp to get that Missouri/Smaland/Alaska before they're withdrawn. Or just buying a bunch of premium you'll never play. There is no bet being made, but it's still incredibly wasteful, and it can also be addictive (shopping can be addictive).

 

On the other hand, if you spent some real money to get more credits and you still didn't win, you can always wait for another auction, where the bidding is going to be lower (probably), or use the credits for ships/modules, or convert them to free cpt xp.

You're not going to *lose* credits by participating in the auction: it might be a bad exchange, but you have much more information than you do on Santa Crates, for instance.

[Durin_VI]

5.000 winners overall 

 

same number per server could mean  5.000/4 = 1.250 winning bids per server?

 

add can be read like ^ 

 

Not saying I agree with it, on the contrary, but the add does not say 5.000 per server, only same number per server

 

 

[tocqueville8]

7 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said:

No they told us repeatedly.

 

There were a total of 5000 lots of 100k coal available across all of the server clusters combined. All bids from all clusters were combined and the top 5000 bids from across the world won.

The wording on the English translation (see above screenshot) says otherwise, to be fair:

"5000 winners"

"the number of winners and the starting bid amounts are the same for all servers"

 

To me, and to anyone I assume, that means that there are going to be 5000 winners on the EU server, 5000 winners on the CIS server, 5000 winners on the NA server and 5000 winners on the ASIA server, since the first line doesn't read "5000 overall winners".

 

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

55 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

They wrote that the number of winners was the same on each server.

You have to be careful here. They were writing that the "bid amounts are the same for the [...] servers". They did not say that the bid amounts are the same on each server.

[humpty_1]

tbh it just gives the haves even more and the rest of us are fkd again.lol.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Ocsimano18 said:

They wrote that the number of winners was the same on each server. Were they lying in an advertistment? Mathematically, they cannot have the same number of winners and the same credit limit for winning across servers.

 

They translated badly. As written on this forum, the russian version is better and it was also confirmed on the russian forum.

[Hugh_Ruka]

44 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

They translated badly. As written on this forum, the russian version is better and it was also confirmed on the russian forum.

that is their problem and it is called false advertising ... there's a difference in "same" and "shared" ....

[geschlittert]

1 hour ago, Fat_Maniac said:

No they told us repeatedly.

Where? Please show me :)

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

that is their problem and it is called false advertising ... there's a difference in "same" and "shared" ....

As if people would have bid differently...

[principat121]

57 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

and it was also confirmed on the russian forum.

So, in order to get all proper information we need to visit the russian forum?

The percentage of players on this realm visiting the EU forum will be in the one-figure percentage range.

And I doubt that many of this already small number will go to another forum for infos. 

 

The expression "The number of winners [is] the same for [all] servers." is misleading as well, as it clearly does not states that this means the sum of all winner is 5,000 in total across all servers. And when you now say, that is what they mean, then I wonder why they didn't wrote it that way in the first place, when I came up with this sentence in under a minute?

 

This is another deliberately vaguely formulated event to mislead the players.

 

 

 

Just now, ColonelPete said:

As if people would have bid differently...

Knowing that 5,000 bits will win on your server or just ~1250 is a huge difference, yes indeed! 

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

59 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

They translated badly. As written on this forum, the russian version is better and it was also confirmed on the russian forum.

I' sure that you are correct.

 

However, given the sheer number of communication difficulties from WG over the lifetime of this shitshow game, what is the solution?

[HystericalAccuracy]

2 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

it can also be addictive (shopping can be addictive).

(...)

You're not going to *lose* credits by participating in the auction: it might be a bad exchange

I can imagine that someone just wanted to get the "Imperator I" he missed out on. He bets 120mil out of his 200mil and "wins". It was expensive, but feels good to have the ship finally in port.

 

If that is the end of the story - good, all happy. But many could feel drawn towards getting that one comem-flag they still miss. The Captain´s Logbook present you wonderfully all the items you miss in your collection. And I know that some want to have every flag of their nation, or of a certain time-span. Ok, then bet some credits on this one. Last item I bet, I swear! (wins again)

 

Now, out of credits to service T10 ships... guy goes to the shop and buy a little credit-pack.

Oh look, the original Belfast for 100mil starter! (I need some credits!)

 

Hope I am wrong.

[Animalul2012]

So that 5000 winners number is across all servers and not for each server separatly? FOR REAL? Well that is unfortunate.

[tocqueville8]

Just now, VIadoCro said:

Now, out of credits to service T10 ships... guy goes to the shop and buy a little credit-pack.

 Oh look, the original Belfast for 100mil starter! (I need some credits!)

 

Hope I am wrong.

 

You can be as pessimistic as you want, my point is simply that compulsive spending is already possible: there's virtually no limit to what you could spend on premium ships, permacamos, free xp conversion to level up a captain or to grind Research Bureau points, etc.

 

Sure, most of these things are semi-parmanent, so there's less FOMO, but still, the possibility for self-harm are endless...

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, principat121 said:

So, in order to get all proper information we need to visit the russian forum?

I got the information here...

6 minutes ago, principat121 said:

The expression "The number of winners [is] the same for [all] servers." is misleading as well, as it clearly does not states that this means the sum of all winner is 5,000 in total across all servers. And when you now say, that is what they mean, then I wonder why they didn't wrote it that way in the first place, when I came up with this sentence in under a minute?tely vaguely formulated ev

As I said, this was a mistake.

8 minutes ago, principat121 said:

Knowing that 5,000 bits will win on your server or just ~1250 is a huge difference, yes indeed! 

Both are wrong.

 

Most people bid what the coal is worth to them.

We have over 300k active players in two months on this server. How would anyone know for sure how much to bid?

 

 

 

[Odo_Toothless]

49 minutes ago, principat121 said:

Knowing that 5,000 bits will win on your server or just ~1250 is a huge difference, yes indeed! 

Real message looks rather clear (translation). There is one Worldwide bid (common for all servers) so the ones who will bid more in the World will win. So there is not 1250/server limit too.

 

WG explained on RU forum this (translation).