another example of broken carriers

[BoxOfAngryBees]

i never post, i only read - but after having so many games like this, cant help myself

 

link to replay:
https://replayswows.com/replay/132249#stats

 

tldr:

description of replay:

 

actor1 - bismark (me)
actor2 - kaga

kaga: *torp planes enter stage overhead, aiming planes at bismark*

bismark: *evade, kaga torps hit*

repeat thrice in a row -> drop curtains, queue audience clapping

*
detailed report:
Artillery -------- 5/ 3,350
Torpedoes ----_ 18/69,154"
*

[KillStealBoss]

Well this is the CV gameplay in a nutshell. Kaga also has a lot planes so even if she lost some that's no problem for her. But as a Bismarck - you're screwed what can I tell you...

[BoxOfAngryBees]

i know i know, i suppose im still hoping that posting this might actually help.

 

im horrified about the state-of-mind WG must be in to continually allow this atrocity of game balance to happen. Also judging on how far removed WG must be from their own game when we look at the changes and added (premium) ships these last few patches, theyre apparently only out for money - leaving the actual game on the way side ...

 

[KillStealBoss]

7 minutes ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

i know i know, i suppose im still hoping that posting this might actually help.

 

im horrified about the state-of-mind WG must be in to continually allow this atrocity of game balance to happen. Also judging on how far removed WG must be from their own game when we look at the changes and added (premium) ships these last few patches, theyre apparently only out for money - leaving the actual game on the way side ...

 

You did see what carpet bomb consumable on Dutch cruisers can do to Alaska? There's a clip on YouTube about it. Literally almost full hp Alaska ate 43k dmg and 4 fires. Was left on 5-6k hp and finished easily. The dude just got into the position at the beginning of the game. It reminded me though the RTS Midway. Idk if you played long enough to remember. Moskva was wiped out from existence in one drop, you couldn't do anything to avoid it (the drop speed was insane) and only hard blobbing and def AA helped which didn't occur every time. Today CVs have their crazy things but still you can't win alone cause you don't have anymore the wiping power, you need time to do the damage. In the past a CV main like Farazelleth could wipe out 5-6 ships alone and win the game, not possible today unless detonation occur. 0.10.5 will bring the rocket mechanics change. I have played it on PTS and as a good CV player in telling you - it's hard to master. Yet imagine people with less than 1k PR on CV to do it ? Never. They'll just ignore the DD, period. BBs will get frustrated but this the way it is. Only some CV players (25% maybe) could deal with it and learn how to predict the DD movement but most nah, they sometimes struggle with the current easy system... Idk time will tell mate, be positive and stay with your teammates if there's a CV in play. Also ask your CV for help sometimes, cause he can't know if you really need it. 

[ReapingKnight]

The issue is that CVs will always be like this. They have to be stronger than the other classes with little thought for balance because if they're weren't people wouldn't even play the...WG have even stated this themselve but in a more convoluted way that hides the actual impact of what they say.

 

I have been very bored of the game for a long time now and only really enjoy the game in divisions, and on occasion some of the CVs I own...I mean rent from WG as I can turn off my brain and just crap on other ships without issues.

[Humorpalanta]

I am pleased to say that according to the Spreadsheet I am looking at you had fun. It says right here.

[BoxOfAngryBees]

Just now, Humorpalanta said:

I am pleased to say that according to the Spreadsheet I am looking at you had fun. It says right here.

definitely x)
its quite deprarious that this has become a meme, though.... 

 

saw the dutch video - its almost as if they are actively trying to destroy the game. it makes no sense in any way why that kind of implementation would be positive for the game - or their wallets, for that matter. people are so fed up with the aviation aspect of the game already and now they are seemingly doubling down on it .... it simply boggles the mind in what state of thought you have to be in to not understand how destructive this will be on the playerbase (which is the life-blood of their company).

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

19 minutes ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

definitely x)
its quite deprarious that this has become a meme, though.... 

 

saw the dutch video - its almost as if they are actively trying to destroy the game. it makes no sense in any way why that kind of implementation would be positive for the game - or their wallets, for that matter. people are so fed up with the aviation aspect of the game already and now they are seemingly doubling down on it .... it simply boggles the mind in what state of thought you have to be in to not understand how destructive this will be on the playerbase (which is the life-blood of their company).

Yeah, it stupifies me as well. Maybe their spreadsheet is confirming a stronghold bias over there. I lost interest to be honest. The core play is what keeps me entertained, sneaky dd, harassing cruiser or blapping bb. Everything else they do is shait. After 5 years I have concluded this company is just a mobile game style lootbox addict with little to no knowledge and talent towards pvp gameplay. 

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

i never post, i only read - but after having so many games like this, cant help myself

 

link to replay:
https://replayswows.com/replay/132249#stats

 

tldr:

description of replay:

 

actor1 - bismark (me)
actor2 - kaga

kaga: *torp planes enter stage overhead, aiming planes at bismark*

bismark: *evade, kaga torps hit*

repeat thrice in a row -> drop curtains, queue audience clapping

*
detailed report:
Artillery -------- 5/ 3,350
Torpedoes ----_ 18/69,154"
*

• first strike: you handled quite well, you should have reacted a bit sooner, but still got only minimum damage, your mistake was to slow down, that robbed you of the speed to react
• second strike: lack of speed led to more signifcant damage, after that you just gave up
• 3rd to 6th strike: you were just broadsiding the torp attacks and took full damage every time

[BoxOfAngryBees]

16 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

• first strike: you handled quite well, you should have reacted a bit sooner, but still got only minimum damage, your mistake was to slow down, that robbed you of the speed to react
• second strike: lack of speed led to more signifcant damage, after that you just gave up
• 3rd to 6th strike: you were just broadsiding the torp attacks and took full damage every time

 

the first two drops i thought i had a chance - afterwards i gave up trying because it was impossible (could have dodged further but one drop more or less really doesnt matter when the carrier is basically jizzing on you).

 

the bizzy was also stock so its rudder shift time wasnt good (not that that really matters to a carrier who knows what hes doing) - ive had it for a long time but never played it because its simply objectively worse than other BBs, seeing as how secondary builds are .... less than useful nowadays and getting worse. wanted to try it again though.

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

 

the first two drops i thought i had a chance - afterwards i gave up trying because it was impossible (could have dodged further but one drop more or less really doesnt matter when the carrier is basically jizzing on you).

 

the bizzy was also stock so its rudder shift time wasnt good (not that that really matters to a carrier who knows what hes doing) - ive had it for a long time but never played it because its simply objectively worse than other BBs, seeing as how secondary builds are .... less than useful nowadays and getting worse. wanted to try it again though.

It was not impossible. Giving up was just an easy kill for the enemy and a waste of a ship.

When you consider secondary builds as worse, then do not use them.

[johncl]

You get focused 1 in 100 battles get over it , 

 

CVs  are in 80% of games making up 8% of the team ...... this alone makes them OK for me ..

 

However 1 V 1 a well played  CV is impossible to beat 

 

 

 

 

 

[Beastofwar]

What about "broken" DD that delete a BB in one torpedo strike ?

 

In three strikes-  like the far less powerfull CV torpedo's - if they are DD amateurs ?

 

Invisible and out of nowhere...can't evade what you don't see coming, untill much too late ofcourse. No BB player  takes torpedo warning skills and modules either.

 

In that light CV at least give you a WASD chance you might survive.

 

 

[GarrusBrutus]

11 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

What about "broken" DD that delete a BB in one torpedo strike ?

 

Invisible and out of nowhere...can't evade what you don't see coming, untill much too late ofcourse. No BB player  takes torpedo warning skills and modules either.

 

In that light CV at least give you a WASD chance you might survive.

When was the last time you got devstruck by torps "out of nowhere"? 

[Beastofwar]

44 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

When was the last time you got devstruck by torps "out of nowhere"? 

 

You mean when did you last take out Asashio ? Since the "get 120 torpedo hits or floods" directive of the dockyard. I whaled ZF-6 early so each stage is is 200 steel and 3000 coal.

 

I am doing the torpedoing in ranked, as i want that steel and doubloons too.  At 100 hits exactly now. Most of them on BB ofcourse as they easy  to hit and i use a lot of Pan Asian = stealthy and very heavy damage DW torpedos.

 

Maybe CV are bothersome to BB, but they should really fear DD.

 

The fact this BB player does not do that says something about the general skills of most DD players doesn't it ? I guess he thinks it's normal DD players die < 3 minutes so can't be a threat to him.

[SnuSnu_RIP]

2 hours ago, ReapingKnight said:

The issue is that CVs will always be like this. They have to be stronger than the other classes with little thought for balance because if they're weren't people wouldn't even play the...WG have even stated this themselve but in a more convoluted way that hides the actual impact of what they say.

 

I have been very bored of the game for a long time now and only really enjoy the game in divisions, and on occasion some of the CVs I own...I mean rent from WG as I can turn off my brain and just crap on other ships without issues.

That's why I report CVs, they are broken on purpose - and WG don't care about balance. So the only way to vent of steam is the report. 

[Hades_warrior]

3 hours ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

i know i know, i suppose im still hoping that posting this might actually help.

 

im horrified about the state-of-mind WG must be in to continually allow this atrocity of game balance to happen. Also judging on how far removed WG must be from their own game when we look at the changes and added (premium) ships these last few patches, theyre apparently only out for money - leaving the actual game on the way side ...

 

The BEST thing you can do about this game is, stop supporting it with your money and reduce your gameplay, like I did.

When more people would do that, it might (just might) open eyes of weegee. But until than, they will keep milking playerbase as we are cows for them, nothing more.

[bEtHeNs]

The only way to balance a cv is with the fighters of the enemy cv but there are no real fighters. This is the main problem with actual system.

[AndyHill]

2 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

What about "broken" DD that delete a BB in one torpedo strike ?

 

In three strikes-  like the far less powerfull CV torpedo's - if they are DD amateurs ?

 

1 hour ago, Beastofwar said:

Maybe CV are bothersome to BB, but they should really fear DD.

If we take a look at what reality is actually like, this is what the lowest 17 average damages (rightmost column) at T10 look like: 

As we can see, in reality torp boats do less than 60k (or less than 50k excluding Somers) per battle, which is less than half of one BB with heals. Even if we only look at unicum-level players they do about 10k on top of the average. Among DDs, it's the gunboats (and the steel ship) that actually top the damage scores.

 

DDs devstriking BBs left and right every match is a myth. And more often than not it's the bright red tomato king Captain Broadside who munches on all the fish. 

 

[Beastofwar]

21 minutes ago, AndyHill said:

 

If we take a look at what reality is actually like, this is what the lowest 17 average damages (rightmost column) at T10 look like: 

As we can see, in reality torp boats do less than 60k (or less than 50k excluding Somers) per battle, which is less than half of one BB with heals. Even if we only look at unicum-level players they do about 10k on top of the average. Among DDs, it's the gunboats (and the steel ship) that actually top the damage scores.

 

DDs devstriking BBs left and right every match is a myth. And more often than not it's the bright red tomato king Captain Broadside who munches on all the fish. 

 

 

And CV devstrike how often ?

 

I place my bet on DD....

 

But i think it is funny DD are not hated more then CV, because invisible enemies cowardly making sneaky very late visible attakcs that can instanly sink you ( opposed to the weak aerial torpedo's of CV ) would drive me into anger much more.

 

But as i said...many DD players have such low skill they are dead ( < 3 minutes ) before they even can do that to BB. That must be the true reason players hate CV so much more : these are still around to herass BB while much more dangerous DD are already resting in the sea bed.

 

 

 

[AndyHill]

1 minute ago, Beastofwar said:

And CV devstrike how often ?

 

I place my bet on DD....

OP never said anything about devstrikes, you're the only one who mentioned anything about those. And they are very rare indeed. As for what the BB should be more afraid of, here's the average damages and average spotting for CVs:

If I'm a BB that looks far, far scarier to me than anything DDs bring to the table.

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

What about "broken" DD that delete a BB in one torpedo strike ?

 

In three strikes-  like the far less powerfull CV torpedo's - if they are DD amateurs ?

 

Invisible and out of nowhere...can't evade what you don't see coming, untill much too late ofcourse. No BB player  takes torpedo warning skills and modules either.

 

In that light CV at least give you a WASD chance you might survive.

That happens only to straight lining BB.

Otherwise torps are much harder to hit. Most players have under 10% hit rating with ship torps. Only a few Unicums manage to get barely above 10%.

I personally evade most torpes long before I see them. That is also the reason why many BB players do not use torpedo warning skills or modules. Ship torpedos are just a minor issue for many, despite DD being part of most matches.

6 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

And CV devstrike how often ?

 

I place my bet on DD....

Sorted by damage, I marked the CV. I hope you see the pattern.

Spoiler

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20210522/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

 

[Sunleader]

5 hours ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

i never post, i only read - but after having so many games like this, cant help myself

 

link to replay:
https://replayswows.com/replay/132249#stats

 

tldr:

description of replay:

 

actor1 - bismark (me)
actor2 - kaga

kaga: *torp planes enter stage overhead, aiming planes at bismark*

bismark: *evade, kaga torps hit*

repeat thrice in a row -> drop curtains, queue audience clapping

*
detailed report:
Artillery -------- 5/ 3,350
Torpedoes ----_ 18/69,154"
*

 

Hmmmmm

Did we meet Maybe ?

 

I think I had a Bismarck recently that made a fuss about me Torping it repeatedly with my Kaga.

[Beastofwar]

14 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That happens only to straight lining BB.

Otherwise torps are much harder to hit. Most players have under 10% hit rating with ship torps. Only a few Unicums manage to get barely above 10%.

I personally evade most torpes long before I see them. That is also the reason why many BB players do not use torpedo warning skills or modules. Ship torpedos are just a minor issue for many, despite DD being part of most matches.

Sorted by damage, I marked the CV. I hope you see the pattern.

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I am at a loss how overall damage must prove if ships are instantly killed or not. Death by a thousand cuts causes more damage because the target could repair HP back....

 

CV aerial torpedo's are much weaker then ship launched torpedo's. That is a fact.

 

 

[El2aZeR]

21 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

But i think it is funny DD are not hated more then CV, because invisible enemies cowardly making sneaky very late visible attakcs that can instanly sink you ( opposed to the weak aerial torpedo's of CV ) would drive me into anger much more.

 

So basically you lack the ability to read the minimap and WASD slightly every half a minute or so and instead of improving you proceed to whine about it.

Rather ironic for someone who constantly tells others to improve their play against CVs, no?

 

Just now, Beastofwar said:

CV aerial torpedo's are much weaker then ship launched torpedo's. That is a fact.

 

CV torpedoes also deal damage on a much more reliable basis, as such are the superior weapon.