Being bottom tier stops when exactly? after 5 battles being -2!

[Brinckie]

Maybe this is me beating the dead horse once more but i just wanted to show how much fun its being bottom(1x -1 and the rest -2) 5 battles in a row.

 

And i'm not even starting about the hero top tier gods on the team that lost and did not even know how to play a t1 sufficiently, that is something WG does not even see as a "problem" more like the solution LOL.

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[HystericalAccuracy]

I think you can be max 8 times bottom. But that apply only if you play the same ship over and over again.

I had a similar thing while re-grinding Fubuki, being matched vs T8, 7 out of 8 eight consecutive battles. That one time I was "lucky" and faced only T7.

[MementoMori_6030]

You just need to play T10 all the time. That is what WG is trying to force upon you.

 

Of course you could just play lower tiers, like T4 - then you will be uptiered only to T5, if at all.

[ColonelPete]

19 minutes ago, Brinckie said:

Maybe this is me beating the dead horse once more but i just wanted to show how much fun its being bottom(1x -1 and the rest -2) 5 battles in a row.

-1 is not limited. You can get that 100 times in a row, in theory.

[Brinckie]

Thanks for the possitive reactions :)

I just makes me sad that a game like this is ment for enjoyment but it's actually hard to obtain that from playing it.

Fighting uphill or downhill battles is not fun @ all imho..

I just hope WG finds a way to eventually make that happen although i think its better to just jump ship and play something else since WG is not even aware or trying to fix any issues with MM being fun and engaging.

[hellhound666]

On 5/29/2021 at 6:23 PM, Brinckie said:

Thanks for the possitive reactions :)

I just makes me sad that a game like this is ment for enjoyment but it's actually hard to obtain that from playing it.

Fighting uphill or downhill battles is not fun @ all imho..

I just hope WG finds a way to eventually make that happen although i think its better to just jump ship and play something else since WG is not even aware or trying to fix any issues with MM being fun and engaging.

where it is exactly said that "game like this is meant for enjoyment" ... ? lol

it is meant to make money to the people involved ... so, hurry to prem shop and buy smthg instead of making useless posts here

[Ubertron_X]

The most annoying thing is when - after a long streak of bottom tier games - you are indeed "top tier", however everybody else is also your tier, so the 'not-always-bottom-tier' claim has technically been fulfilled, e.g. getting an all T8 game after a lot of T10 games in your T8 ship.

[ColonelPete]

14 minutes ago, Brinckie said:

Thanks for the possitive reactions :)

I just makes me sad that a game like this is ment for enjoyment but it's actually hard to obtain that from playing it.

Fighting uphill or downhill battles is not fun @ all imho..

I just hope WG finds a way to eventually make that happen although i think its better to just jump ship and play something else since WG is not even aware or trying to fix any issues with MM being fun and engaging.

That is enough for 20k battles.

And you are not playing uphill or downhill as the enemy team has ships of the same Tiers as yours.

[Ubertron_X]

19 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And you are not playing uphill or downhill as the enemy team has ships of the same Tiers as yours.

While technically correct on the global scale this does more often than not meet game reality when it comes to local conflict.

 

For example you will play uphill a lot if the enemy T8 CV decides to focus on your flank while being in a T6 DD. In addition the algorythm that determines starting positions really loves to pair enemy high tiers with friendly low tiers, especially if you are playing in a division. Having 3x T9 versus your 3x T7, or 3x T8 versus your 3x T6 is not especially fun. Its not unwinnable of course, however you will probably have to play defensively, often receiving a severe beating while trading time/map control for damage and to hold out until your other flank has won the game.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

1 hour ago, Brinckie said:

Thanks for the possitive reactions :)

I just makes me sad that a game like this is ment for enjoyment but it's actually hard to obtain that from playing it.

Fighting uphill or downhill battles is not fun @ all imho..

I just hope WG finds a way to eventually make that happen although i think its better to just jump ship and play something else since WG is not even aware or trying to fix any issues with MM being fun and engaging.

 

It should be, but it can't be.

Supposedly it should give you some balans between downtiered and uptiered.

But in the end, we don't know exactly what wg is checking when MM is working. Its a tinfoil hat area, where we can't inspect the logic behind the MM.

[arttuperkunas]

1 hour ago, Brinckie said:

Thanks for the possitive reactions :)

I just makes me sad that a game like this is ment for enjoyment but it's actually hard to obtain that from playing it.

Fighting uphill or downhill battles is not fun @ all imho..

I just hope WG finds a way to eventually make that happen although i think its better to just jump ship and play something else since WG is not even aware or trying to fix any issues with MM being fun and engaging.

The main purpose of the game is to motivate you to spend money. The game is pushing you to pay to progress/stay at T10 by spending money, or skipping the grind entirely by buying a high tier premium with money. I’m sure that’s not the only reason why MM is what it is, but it is a reason.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Ubertron_X said:

The most annoying thing is when - after a long streak of bottom tier games - you are indeed "top tier", however everybody else is also your tier, so the 'not-always-bottom-tier' claim has technically been fulfilled, e.g. getting an all T8 game after a lot of T10 games in your T8 ship.

Being -1 is enough for that, as this is not limited either.

1 hour ago, Ubertron_X said:

While technically correct on the global scale this does more often than not meet game reality when it comes to local conflict.

For me it is usually quite balanced. It is rare that I only face +2 ships on my flank.

1 hour ago, nambr9 said:

But in the end, we don't know exactly what wg is checking when MM is working. Its a tinfoil hat area, where we can't inspect the logic behind the MM.

 

38 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

The main purpose of the game is to motivate you to spend money. The game is pushing you to pay to progress/stay at T10 by spending money, or skipping the grind entirely by buying a high tier premium with money. I’m sure that’s not the only reason why MM is what it is, but it is a reason.

It is the battle numbers per Tier. The higher the Tier, the more battles are played there. The more lower Tiers get uptiered. When you want short waiting times, there is no other solution.

[MrWastee]

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/150682-matchmaking-and-corona/?tab=comments#comment-3893774

 

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/150682-matchmaking-and-corona/?tab=comments#comment-3894230

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 11 Stunden, Brinckie sagte:

Thanks for the possitive reactions :)

I just makes me sad that a game like this is ment for enjoyment but it's actually hard to obtain that from playing it.

 

It is NOT meant for enjoyment, but for engagement. 

[Gudgeon]

When you are bottom tier, WG has decided that you will be used for the top tier players enjoyment. They will allow you to have fun only when they decide it is your turn to have fun. 

 

In all seriousness, tier 6 and 7 DD's and cruisers are at a disadvantage when bottom tier as the cruisers do not get access to the concealment module and some of the tier 7 DD's suffer from abysmal concealment compared to tier 8 DD's, let alone tier 9 DD's.

 

Tier 8 cruisers will face the steel reward ships and rail gun BB's and RU cruisers. Tier 8 DD's have to face 12KM radar with 10km torps.

 

Notice that I have not mentioned BB's so much as tiering is not quite as crucial with this class in the "game about battleships".

 

I have not mentioned CV's, as I hope that every battle is unenjoyable for that class, regardless of tiering and MM.

[ColonelPete]

15 minutes ago, Gudgeon said:

When you are bottom tier, WG has decided that you will be used for the top tier players enjoyment. They will allow you to have fun only when they decide it is your turn to have fun. 

Looks like some do not enjoy it as much...

Spoiler

You see regularly that top Tier ships perform worse than bottom Tier ships.

[lup3s]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

You see regularly that top Tier ships perform worse than bottom Tier ships.

 

Possibly because the XP gain is better for bottom tier ships ? i.e. you have to do less to get the same (or more) amount of XP than a ship 2 tiers higher

[tocqueville8]

 

2 hours ago, Gudgeon said:

Tier 8 cruisers will face the steel reward ships and rail gun BB's and RU cruisers. Tier 8 DD's have to face 12KM radar with 10km torps.

 

Notice that I have not mentioned BB's so much as tiering is not quite as crucial with this class in the "game about battleships".

 

T7-8 cruisers generally don't have a heal, so they have to be much more careful than their T9 counterparts.

 

And T6-7 BBs are overmatched all over the place by T8s, while T8-9s, provided they angle, only really suffer against HE monsters (Conqueror, Thunderer, Bourgogne) or Musashi-Yamato-Shikishima.

[tocqueville8]

19 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

And you are not playing uphill or downhill as the enemy team has ships of the same Tiers as yours.

Your team isn't playing uphill, but you are.

 

If you're in a T6 DD and the enemy DDs are T6-8, on average, on your cap/flank, you're going to have to deal with a DD that's better than yours. Ceteris paribus, that's an uphill battle.

[ColonelPete]

5 hours ago, lup3s said:

 

Possibly because the XP gain is better for bottom tier ships ? i.e. you have to do less to get the same (or more) amount of XP than a ship 2 tiers higher

Higher tier ships earn more XP.

Lower tier ships just get a Bonus for fighting higher tier ships. But it is unknown if the bonus is big enough to offset the higher earning of the higher tier ships.

 

And often the XP differences are big enough that you know that the lower tier ship did more than the rest.

4 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

Your team isn't playing uphill, but you are.

 

If you're in a T6 DD and the enemy DDs are T6-8, on average, on your cap/flank, you're going to have to deal with a DD that's better than yours. Ceteris paribus, that's an uphill battle.

Not necessarily. The DD might be my Tier. You just have to better than the enemy ship of your Tier.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

5 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

Your team isn't playing uphill, but you are.

 

If you're in a T6 DD and the enemy DDs are T6-8, on average, on your cap/flank, you're going to have to deal with a DD that's better than yours. Ceteris paribus, that's an uphill battle.

And on the other flank the enemy T6 DD has to face the T8 of your team...

So You only have to do better than the enemy DD T6...

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Not necessarily. The DD might be my Tier. You just have to better than the enemy ship of your Tier.

I said on average the enemy DD is going to be higher tier than you. So yes, necessarily, on average.

[tocqueville8]

4 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

And on the other flank the enemy T6 DD has to face the T8 of your team... 

Good for your T8 DD teammate.

Your team is balanced with the enemy team, but you are not balanced with the DD on your flank.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

1 hour ago, tocqueville8 said:

Good for your T8 DD teammate.

Your team is balanced with the enemy team, but you are not balanced with the DD on your flank.

Ah... I see... it's not about a equal battle but about not having an advantage... or having to work a bit more to make yourself useful for the team... or rather to get more damage done or whatever, right?

[tocqueville8]

54 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Ah... I see... it's not about a equal battle but about not having an advantage... or having to work a bit more to make yourself useful for the team... or rather to get more damage done or whatever, right?

I'm not sure what you're implying here: I NEVER complain about being bottom tier, not in the forums, not in the chat.

 

Having said that, yes, as an individual player being bottom tier is an uphill battle, and being top tier is a downhill battle, on average. I'm not sure what's controversial about that...

 

Sure, bottom tier and top tier games will also even out eventually, but the OP was lamenting a series of bottom-tier games, in which yes, he was fighting uphill as an individual.