To much destroyers in ranked?!

[Fordragons]

Hi guys!

So i played hundreds games in ranked and my oponion is a lot depends on Destroyers, mutch more than other category ship types!

 

So mostly every game we have 3 in a worse case 4 destroyers per games, this is itself is very bad. I'm asking how fun that game is? Because every time of your team one or two  "destroyer" player die in the first 3 minutes, you probably lose the game instantly "WOW" what a fun game right?!... and that's not the only reason! 

If you play battleships or even cruisers you are already at a disadvantage in abilities to the destroyers! What do i mean? In ranked we have 7v7 play style. So if we have 4 destoryers,1 cruiser and,2 battleships for your game, with the cruiser or battleship player it consists of you sit down in the back and you pray for in your team the destroyers win the "destroyer vs destroyer" brawl. And of course this is only the 5 minutes of the game, you lose 1 or 2 destroyer you lose the game in the beginning, so what you get? frustration and waste of time. "Ahh feels good right?!"

And i'm not talking about the infinite torpedos,smokes,fire chances, concealment(i hate invisible ships i know it's arcade but you know, it's just stupid thing)

I could still list things but that's enough for now.

 

How i solved that problem? On my oponion the best solution is limit the destroyers to maximum 2 per games.

 

Thank you for reading through! If you have any opinions just share us!  Ty!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PaxtonQuigly]

are you sure about that?

[Redcap375]

DDs are the game winners, they always have been. 

 

If you are worried about your team having bad DDs and you want to win then how about you play DDs? 

 

You have very little games in them so get to know just how hard it can be to play them? Sitting at the back spamming is differnt than trying to spot, take caps, avoid radar, CVs and enemy DDS.. It's alot more stressful than sitting in a fat arse BB. 

 

So.. Play DDs and understand what they have to go through in order to be even half good. 

 

BBs are support ships, taking the punches (meta changes) so you gonna suck it up if your front men (dds and light crusiers) fold first.

 

And ask a DD player how they feel about having useless cant hit or tank anything BB players failing to take that radar crusiers out? I've seen plently of them around. 

 

However you are right in that if your DD players are bad... You are more likely to lose the game. 

 

Hence why I play DDs alot more than I used to (last line I learnt to play). I understood just how important they are to win games and lucky I have become alright in them. I'm the sort of Person that wants to learn and get half good at anything I put my mind to. 

 

And its normally BBs that fill up the MM, not DDs anyway. 

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

Well DD's die and if you have some decent aim & dispersion you can equal the trade.

 

Battleships are a literal waste of time in general, because they tend to camp the border. 

[Trench4nt]

Vor 14 Minuten, Fordragons sagte:

Hi guys!

So i played hundreds games in ranked and my oponion is a lot depends on Destroyers, mutch more than other category ship types!

 

So mostly every game we have 3 in a worse case 4 destroyers per games, this is itself is very bad. I'm asking how fun that game is? Because every time of your team one or two  "destroyer" player die in the first 3 minutes, you probably lose the game instantly "WOW" what a fun game right?!... and that's not the only reason! 

 

So the argumentation is that in hundrets of games your team only has four destroyers and in your team only they all die quickly and that is why you always lose.

 

That totally males sense. I guess you should just switch to the other team for winning, because t is always the team... you know.

[SodaBubbles]

It's fine. No matter what ships are brought, it depends on the individual skill level of the players. The problem of early deaths is just most obvious with DDs, but it applies across every kind of ship -- usually the first team to make a kill win -- even in Randoms (I collected 700 games of data on it) First Blood wins 60% of the time.

 

The problem is not too many DDs, but that WG refuses to provide any semblance of balance to the match -- to balance radar ships, to balance CVs, and to make sure that really good players are evenly spread across the two teams, so that everyone has an enjoyable and meaningful playing experience.

 

Instead, WG likes collapses and crappy play, and doesn't care about the playerbase or the quality of play, so don't expect it to change. 

[lameoll]

its because dds are a hard class to master. U are usualy the first in the battle and on the frontline you got  no armor or HP.

And when a DD Is dead you lose spotting wich is mostly the most important part in the game.

 

so usualy giving up a cruiser or BB spot to play DD when your comfortable with playing dds automaticly increases your chances to win just by picking a DD.

 

Sadly the opposite works is more frequently the case and thats having a Bad dd player insta dying.

[stefanorgano]

23 minutes ago, Fordragons said:

So mostly every game we have 3 in a worse case 4 destroyers per games, this is itself is very bad. I'm asking how fun that game is?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's incredibly fun. For me and my Belfast, of course. 

 

That being said, @Redcap375 is right, play some DDs, ranked is a good environment to learn and play them without damaging your stats (if you care about that sort of things, that is).

[Dutchy_2019]

 

Am I the best DD player in the world? Absolutely not. There is plenty enough left for me to learn.

 

That said, is a DD player more of a detriment to the team than BBs on a tour behind islands?

Half the BB players complaining about the DD's have no f***ing clue about what actually goes on in the game (or know how to use the minimap.

 

A common example of this I have encountered so far:

 

Epicenter match:

 

- I have spent 12 minutes in the match capping rings and blocking caps.

- Much of the team got itself killed, resulting in me in a DD in the center of the cap having to take on a near full health Zara and enemy DD (that outspotted me), with no cover at all. Me leaving meant losing control over the caps anyway, so yeah, I yolo'd.

 

BB then ends up complaining about DD's not capping, while he himself NEVER came within a full gridsquare of the map, was off chasing a cruiser that had gone to A1, and as far as I was aware NEVER shot at anything I spotted.

 

 

 

 

[MrWastee]

[Ze_Reckless]

1 hour ago, Fordragons said:

So if we have 4 destoryers,1 cruiser and,2 battleships for your game, with the cruiser or battleship player it consists of you sit down in the back and you pray for in your team the destroyers win the "destroyer vs destroyer" brawl.

Thoughts and prayers don't help? 'Sit down in the back' doesn't help? Who would have thought.

 

How about you support your DDs? Don't waste your valuable salvo on an angled BB, hold it for the DD / radar cruiser that is trying to kill your DD. Always shoot DDs, even two overpens help your DD to win the fight.

[EnacheV]

i see the snoflake dd players are still gushing over the bb bingi card while the game is dead

[Beastofwar]

I have noticed strange matches with 4 DD's per side being thrown in that match while a lot of other matches have no DD at all.

 

With no DD in the match radar Cruisers complain a lot as they are then BB food with nothing below them in the food chain. With lots of DD the complaining class is ofcourse BB.

 

That said it must be a gruesome experience for a BB to face a DD without help from allied DD, radar Cruisers or - heaven forbid - CV. 

 

This morning i saw 4 BB driven before me ( CONAN !!! YEAH !!! ) in  Chung Mu  because there was little else they can do against something invisible that can sink them from nowhere when their sides DD and Cruisers all got snuffed. ( thnx to Chung Mu radar and spotting  contribution )

 

At times as such you should reconsider if wanting to remove CV from the game is really a smart thing to want.....it makes DD have infinite power, cap anything uncontested. I guess that is really what the CV hating mob is after per definition....and after CV would have been removed, radar is next ofc....

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, Fordragons said:

Hi guys!

So i played hundreds games in ranked and my oponion is a lot depends on Destroyers, mutch more than other category ship types!

 

So mostly every game we have 3 in a worse case 4 destroyers per games, this is itself is very bad. I'm asking how fun that game is? Because every time of your team one or two  "destroyer" player die in the first 3 minutes, you probably lose the game instantly "WOW" what a fun game right?!... and that's not the only reason! 

If you play battleships or even cruisers you are already at a disadvantage in abilities to the destroyers! What do i mean? In ranked we have 7v7 play style. So if we have 4 destoryers,1 cruiser and,2 battleships for your game, with the cruiser or battleship player it consists of you sit down in the back and you pray for in your team the destroyers win the "destroyer vs destroyer" brawl. And of course this is only the 5 minutes of the game, you lose 1 or 2 destroyer you lose the game in the beginning, so what you get? frustration and waste of time. "Ahh feels good right?!"

And i'm not talking about the infinite torpedos,smokes,fire chances, concealment(i hate invisible ships i know it's arcade but you know, it's just stupid thing)

I could still list things but that's enough for now.

 

How i solved that problem? On my oponion the best solution is limit the destroyers to maximum 2 per games.

 

Thank you for reading through! If you have any opinions just share us!  T

 

Play something that counters destryoers.

[totally_potato]

2 hours ago, Fordragons said:

Hi guys!

So i played hundreds games in ranked and my oponion is a lot depends on Destroyers, mutch more than other category ship types!

 

So mostly every game we have 3 in a worse case 4 destroyers per games, this is itself is very bad. I'm asking how fun that game is? Because every time of your team one or two  "destroyer" player die in the first 3 minutes, you probably lose the game instantly "WOW" what a fun game right?!... and that's not the only reason! 

If you play battleships or even cruisers you are already at a disadvantage in abilities to the destroyers! What do i mean? In ranked we have 7v7 play style. So if we have 4 destoryers,1 cruiser and,2 battleships for your game, with the cruiser or battleship player it consists of you sit down in the back and you pray for in your team the destroyers win the "destroyer vs destroyer" brawl. And of course this is only the 5 minutes of the game, you lose 1 or 2 destroyer you lose the game in the beginning, so what you get? frustration and waste of time. "Ahh feels good right?!"

And i'm not talking about the infinite torpedos,smokes,fire chances, concealment(i hate invisible ships i know it's arcade but you know, it's just stupid thing)

I could still list things but that's enough for now.

 

How i solved that problem? On my oponion the best solution is limit the destroyers to maximum 2 per games.

 

Thank you for reading through! If you have any opinions just share us!  Ty!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its fine. 

DDs are high risk high reward ships. But a DD is nothing without a cruiser to lockdown a cap (unless you are a special premium or are german), and a BB to take the fire and slug it out and distract the opponents while you use the torps to strike blows.

Also DDs are countered hard by cruisers in high tier ranked

And a good BB can also counter DDs

FDG torp beats come to mind

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, MrWastee said:

To be fair, what the OP is saying (too many DDs!) just isn't on that table...

[Khaba_Gandalf]

Simple solution just play Belfast or Ark Royal and smack those enemy lolibotes on their cheeky butts.

 

 

[Fordragons]

Thank you for your answers guys!

 

Firstly i see we have some salty peaple here so i try to make things clear...

 

1. I'm not a BB main as some you thought! 

2. i made this topic for share my thoughts about ranked and destroyers + I'm courius the oponions of others!

3. Okay guys, i'm not talking about how i want to counter destroyers or what i need to kill or (try to kill) them. I'm talking about how the destroyers(players) CAN ruin your games so easily and so fast in games. Just try to think that: in Ranked games when the game 7v7 and 4-4 ship destroyer, and then 2 destroyer die in your team or the opponent team in the first 3 minutes that game is probably over. (the outcome is not important now, who is the winner)

That's why i thought to limit the destroyers to maximum 2 per games. And that's why i ask other people's opinion of this case and other's what think about it.

 

[FlyingBender]

2 horas antes, Fordragons dijo:

Hi guys!

So i played hundreds games in ranked and my oponion is a lot depends on Destroyers, mutch more than other category ship types!

 

So mostly every game we have 3 in a worse case 4 destroyers per games, this is itself is very bad. I'm asking how fun that game is? Because every time of your team one or two  "destroyer" player die in the first 3 minutes, you probably lose the game instantly "WOW" what a fun game right?!... and that's not the only reason! 

If you play battleships or even cruisers you are already at a disadvantage in abilities to the destroyers! What do i mean? In ranked we have 7v7 play style. So if we have 4 destoryers,1 cruiser and,2 battleships for your game, with the cruiser or battleship player it consists of you sit down in the back and you pray for in your team the destroyers win the "destroyer vs destroyer" brawl. And of course this is only the 5 minutes of the game, you lose 1 or 2 destroyer you lose the game in the beginning, so what you get? frustration and waste of time. "Ahh feels good right?!"

And i'm not talking about the infinite torpedos,smokes,fire chances, concealment(i hate invisible ships i know it's arcade but you know, it's just stupid thing)

I could still list things but that's enough for now.

 

How i solved that problem? On my oponion the best solution is limit the destroyers to maximum 2 per games.

 

Thank you for reading through! If you have any opinions just share us!  Ty!

Support your destroyers.

[ColonelPete]

37 minutes ago, Fordragons said:

3. Okay guys, i'm not talking about how i want to counter destroyers or what i need to kill or (try to kill) them. I'm talking about how the destroyers(players) CAN ruin your games so easily and so fast in games. Just try to think that: in Ranked games when the game 7v7 and 4-4 ship destroyer, and then 2 destroyer die in your team or the opponent team in the first 3 minutes that game is probably over. (the outcome is not important now, who is the winner)

That's why i thought to limit the destroyers to maximum 2 per games. And that's why i ask other people's opinion of this case and other's what think about it.

 

When you play a DD counter and support your DD, the number of times they can ruin your match is reduced significantly.

 

And when you look at the season numbers, the average number of DD per team is around 2.

[Redcap375]

Belfast and DDs. 

 

There the ones I go to if i want to win rank games. Belfast is the ultimate DD support ship and still OP as hell. DDs doesn't matter that much as 3/4 of DDs (and players in general) don't have a clue about anything.

 

But I can't stand ranked so don't play them much. Its a simple grind fest built on saving a star. 

[MrWastee]

1 hour ago, tocqueville8 said:

To be fair, what the OP is saying (too many DDs!) just isn't on that table...

but it is.... divided into 11 fields

[HystericalAccuracy]

 

5 hours ago, Fordragons said:

If you have any opinions just share us!

If I do that, I will get a forum ban. Let me put it this way:

I made this screenshot half an hour ago. May I ask what server you are playing on? Because in my case BBs spread like cockroaches.

[Fordragons]

12 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

 

If I do that, I will get a forum ban. Let me put it this way:

I made this screenshot half an hour ago. May I ask what server you are playing on? Because in my case BBs spread like cockroaches.

Bronze league has nothing value...

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 2 Stunden, EnacheV sagte:

i see the snoflake dd players are still gushing over the bb bingi card while the game is dead

5 mins ago, there was this genius Aigle player parking his DD in smoke 2 km away from my DD and shooting into random directions, was detected by proximity, Hydro and Radar all the same time, blown out of the water and yelling in chat "CHEAT CODES U CANNOT SEE MY SHIP IN SMOKE REPORTED"...