Tiger 59

[KratosTheUnforgiving]

So WG release a ship, shame that its again a post-war modernised copy-n-paste from Mino, few tweaks/nerfs depending how you look at it and nothing special.

 

Almost forgot to mention, discounted to 25750 Dubs for Admiral pack for 13 days and then 28700 !

 

So opinions ?

[Verblonde]

1 minute ago, Paranoid_Potato said:

So opinions ?

Very welcome addition, IMO: she was actually real and built in steel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Tiger_(C20)), unlike a lot of the higher tier RN cruisers (most nations' cruisers, come to that). I don't care about the post-war bit one iota - so long as ships are guns/dumb torps only, and properly balanced, the date is irrelevant.

 

Despite being an inveterate whale, I won't be buying her any time soon though:

• She appears not to be much good (LWM's review is pretty damning, at least for a player of my type/standard).
• She's nerfable, like all the other recent premiums.
• Submarines are getting very imminent, so the only things I'll personally play enough before they show up, to justify spending on, are pretty much all DDs.

 

[Lootboxer]

16 minutes ago, Paranoid_Potato said:

So opinions ?

Another cash grab. 

[Aragathor]

15 minutes ago, Paranoid_Potato said:

So opinions ? 

If I ever want someone to punch me in the 'nads, I'll get them to pay me first. Not he other way around.

[Yedwy]

I took one look at the stats and said naah… 

[Beastofwar]

Attacked it with Kaga and it seemed pretty durable ( it has a huge heal capacity )  took me 4 returning squadrons x 2 attack runs with torpedo's bombs and rockets  before it finally succumbed. I noticed from another occacsion its AA kept shooting at me well beyond 7 km when trying to pass it on my way to another target.

 

Curious about that i bought it and played it myself, once configured in an AA setting and once in a surface combat setting.

 

I was not impressed by it's AA when playing it myself...while WG advertises it as an AA Cruiser. That adds to the fact i already found out Kaga flimpsy paper planes can live to attack it 2 x per squadron.

 

As a surface combattant is seems comparible to how other UK light Cruisers operate. Only being able to use  AP is suboptimal when shooting DD and angled targets despite it no doubt will have improved angle AP shells. It has no torpedo's and can thus be run down by BB in its smoke. It is too high tier to be usefull in Operations where you can flank bots with it ( Mysore can run rampant there, even against BB  despite similair handicaps ) When i ran into an broadside Ibuki around an island my AP did not penetrate into it's citadel at very close range, but it's return fire did kill me. That my Ap did so little damage surprised me but will have its reasons i will find out about i suppose.

 

Dunno..it is not OP by any means and no doubt requires skill - and patience waiting for opportunities - to make it work. As such you cannot control how much damage it does in PvP ( no SAP,  no HE no Torpedo's ) so that will probably vary wildly with each match.

 

I forgot to read LWM review first....should probabaly really have done that before purchasing it.....but then again now i have a challenge : to make that thing work in whatever power state it is. Not being a slave to WR i have freedom to learn to make it work.

[lovelacebeer]

Although usually I’m incapable of resisting Royal Navy ships in the case of Tiger ‘59 it’s a pass. 

 

Whilst she is based on a real ship which for me is a plus, her stats don’t appear particularly impressive. I know the combination of smoke and radar can be tempting, but in higher tier matches I severely doubt her ability to deal with a radar cruiser one on one. 

 

Still for me I'm lucky she’s not that exciting, and doesn’t compel me to change my stance on refusing to put any more money into the game until I know what the fall out will be from Submarines.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

The mino guns in 2 turrets really stink and look depressing.

Slow, radar, smoke, crap guns.. sounds like a pass even if it was coal

[Profilus]

15 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Curious about that i bought it and played it myself, once configured in an AA setting and once in a surface combat setting.

I was not impressed by it's AA when playing it myself...while WG advertises it as an AA Cruiser. That adds to the fact i already found out Kaga flimpsy paper planes can live to attack it 2 x per squadron.

 

2 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

AA is useless ? Not when you put actual skills in them if your ship has considerable AA to begin with...Keep lying to yourselves if you must......

 

[Beastofwar]

Comparing apples with oranges are we now ?  I said when it has considerable AA to begin with. That is where Tiger obviously is different - far less capable - then the Azuma i ran into and told about.

 

Stock values, not enhanced : apples and oranges     

 

Azuma shoots 8 FLAK clouds when stock btw, Tiger only 4. Such thing matter as deatching planes are shot by FLAK too and no longer under player control.....

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

Video title is a joke... ;) Especially only 4 barrels is a complete no-go for me.

 

 

[lafeel]

4 hours ago, Von_Pruss said:

Video title is a joke... ;) Especially only 4 barrels is a complete no-go for me.

 

Oh it's broken all right, just not in the way most people'd expect when reading that word.

 

After all what better term is there for a ship that's too weak to be worth your money when you get down to it?

[_Dunc_]

Well I got it... because one of us had to..

 

Played 3, won 3, 2 frags, 52k average damage. 

 

The DPM is too low. Way too low - all 3 games I survived till the end, yet I only got around 46, 52, and 58k. 

 

It's also 3knts too.slow. Needs a 2s reload, really. 

 

Apart from that it's okay. Not great, but okay. 

 

Not recommended, even for 59% hipster whales who love challenge. 

[invicta2012]

Tiger appears to be very much as Tiger was: a Cold War curiosity intended to exist in a World where the biggest potential opponent was the Sverdlov class. Edinburgh looks better. 

 

Probably should have waited until subs were out and then given her the Asw helicopter treatment. 

 

Personally I can think of at least three RN light cruisers I wanted first, so I'm not going to splash the cash on Tiger yet. 

[triumphgt6]

Surprised the AA not god like - 3" guns firing 120 rpm and radar direction. Should shred any planes ion this game. (the fact that Tiger guns jammed regularly is a mere detail) 

How about the refit version with flight deck and Harriers! This is actually Blake - also has Sea Cat.

[Beastofwar]

What worries me having now read the LWM review as well is that it's light AP shells do not seem to be able to damage anything very well in PvP setting at tier 8 and beyond :

 

- while it can damage DD it's light AP  is not really dangerous to them. Therefore the radar is more to help allies to kill a DD then you will get that kill yourself unless it was really low HP.

- while it can damage ( rather herass ) BB casemate, bow, stern and superstructure at improved angles you will never be able to kill a full HP BB before he kills you, that simply can run you down like grass as you dont have torpedo's to stop it doing that. Heck you dont even have ( fire setting ) secondaries ! To BB this boat is a yummi snack.

- while it can damage Cruisers the shells seem very light.....i saw them bounce on an almost 90 degree angle  heavy Cruiser broadside at very close range. And most Cruisers in PvP will angle vs you when they would be vulnerable to begin with.

- it does not seem to be able to explode whole squadrons or even do strong damage to planes with ( skilled into ) DFAA as some other ships can. It's AA even feels weak while it ( after the real ships example i suppose ) sacrificed secondaries, torpedo's and whatnot just for AA guns. While this should be an AA Cruiser !

 

So what can you kill at all ?

 

It has no hydro either so sitting in smoke peppering enemies (superstructure for weak damage i suppose ) with light AP is still very dangerous. LWM said it should hope for distracted enemies...right.....this ship can only perform in PvP if enemies make mistakes. I can see coming some will report you for bringing such a ship into more "competitive" modes where everything keeps facing you angled and you can only pepper superstructures for very low damage.

 

It does have 4 slots of consumables.....it must be an extreme version of a support Cruiser that must let others do the job and herass the enemies they are fighting with. That is a very weak ship and not a very attractive task/role.

 

T6 Mysore that has the same traits ( but more guns and even has some secondaries ) but at least can be used to super-agressively flank enemies in Operations, and easily top the scoreboard doing it racking up credits and XP that are comparible to doing well in randoms or ranked. But for this T8 ship only Coop is an option for similair high performance...and i dont play that.

 

 

 

 

[Soft_Kitty_Warm_Kitty]

Contrary to opinion (and also because I am a poor to average player lol) but I enjoy her, yes very squishy, quite slow, dpm not so great but on the other hand played to her strengths, i.e. using islands, smoke and the accurate gun (65m dispersion), she's quite fun and keeps the DD's worried.

 

Perhaps more battles might change my opinion but I like her.

[KillStealBoss]

Imho it should be T7 cause it really has bad time on T10 games, take off the radar and give her hydro , add HE and boost her reload into 2.5 sec. Then it could be somewhat ok.

[The_White_Whale]

Disappointed but not surprised that WG went with the artificially low speed, clearly providing actual video of the ship going over 34 knots wasn't proof enough of her speed. Just shows the lack of care that goes into making new ships these days.

[Verblonde]

7 hours ago, _Dunc_ said:

Well I got it... because one of us had to.

Sir, I salute your noble sacrifice!

[SeaWolf7]

I got it too . just going to give it a play around today let you guys know what i think but already due to the fact it has only 2 turrets and  4 barrels in total,  im already a bit like....

 

 

 

Guess we will see......

[Bear__Necessities]

*Whales in Royal Navy*

[LeSnoet]

2nd game with this ship. Somehow I like it. Yeah, dpm feels low compared to silver line ships. But it has enough tools to work with and it can keeps it own. 
I do miss the torps though. 

[Beastofwar]

19 minutes ago, LeSnoet said:

2nd game with this ship. Somehow I like it. Yeah, dpm feels low compared to silver line ships. But it has enough tools to work with and it can keeps it own. 
I do miss the torps though. 

 

That is extreme......tier X......what could you possibly have hit with plating in those tiers ???? Sank 2 ships how lol ???

 

Why weren't you radared, hydroed and torpeoed out of smoke ? Bombed and rocketted by CV ?

 

Something strange about CV in match but you have no airkills.....in something that is supposed to be an AA Cruiser ( no secondaries, no torps, nothing but AA guns ! )

 

I am really intrigued as to what the hell happend there

 

My guess is you actually used it as LWM said : shoot at distracted targets.....still that is an awesome result then.

[Lootboxer]

2 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

That is extreme......tier X......what could you possibly have hit with plating in those tiers ????

It's weekend. There is a never-ending supply of stup... , sorry, valuable customers, smoking in front of CL to get radared or going broadside on binoculars watching guns go boooom every 30s.