Can the playerbase really deal with CV's ignoring DD's ?

[Beastofwar]

The coming patch rocket fighters will receive another nerf, increasing the time before they can fire. On top of the nerf there was already the nerf of very late DD visibility ( with AA off that is ) it will be almost impossible to hunt DD without outside spotting.

 

This is no problem for me, as i simply switch to light Cruisers with rockets, or wait untill allied DD's or radar Cruisers are already fighting enemy DD's and thus are spotting them.  But i have noticed it is a problem for the playerbase that whines, moans and reports for the CV ignoring DD. They simply do not seem to be able to handle enemy DD on their own, or dont want to. Or simply blame others when they fail.

 

Tier X CV rocket fighters are already notorious inaccurate ( they fire in a V shape around DD's when they bow or stern face evade ) and the newest additions either do not have rockets at all, not HE rockets or have BB sized reticules. In those i already did not prioritize DD and the whining and moning and - karma's are commonplace. 

 

There are several positive sides too : I dont have to be bothered with rescueing allied DD anymore if CV get very bad at attacking them. And quite iritatiing griefers in Enterprise will again become less dominating toward DD also meaning it is ieasier to win matches against Enterprise without having to spend most of the match protecting DD.

 

So plus and downsides for the CV player ( that is not an Enterprise griefer capitalizing on attacking DD ) but can the player base handle their enemy DD by them selves ?

 

I very much doubt it......but then again when you have cake you must eat it. And eat it you shall.

 

Thoughts ?

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

They can in non CV games. Kind of weird question if you ask me. 

[Beastofwar]

17 minutes ago, Yosha_nai said:

They can in non CV games. Kind of weird question if you ask me. 

 

No they can not, but then simply blame ( their sides killed ) DD for being bad players.

 

After CV the DD are next in line for always getting the blame of a lost match. Comes with potentially having great impact on the match. And the loss of spotting both classes provide ofcourse.

 

But it is an interesting notion why players then complain so much if their CV does not go after enemy DD.

 

Ofcourse not only can the CV not be in 2 caps at the same time ( much complaining of the cap where the CV was NOT present and DD were killed ) but the newer CV dont even have ( optimal ) rocket planes but this does not stop the complaining as the playerbase does either not seem to care or is oblivious of the CV's design limitations.

[cherry2blost]

Just now, Yosha_nai said:

They can in non CV games. Kind of weird question if you ask me. 

Isn't it amazing that pretty much EVERYONE who clicks BATTLE, breathes a sigh of relief when there are no CV's in their particular game round...... yet we are told that CV are popular, balanced and working as intended.....

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, cherry2blost said:

Isn't it amazing that pretty much EVERYONE who clicks BATTLE, breathes a sigh of relief when there are no CV's in their particular game round...... yet we are told that CV are popular, balanced and working as intended.....

What does this have to do with anything about his question? 

[Prophecy82]

4 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

No they can not, but then simply blame ( their sides killed ) DD for being bad players.

 

After CV the DD are next in line for always getting the blame of a lost match. Comes with potentially having great impact on the match.

 

Lets face it:

There are a ton of bad players in DDs and yes, DDs are the most impactful class if there are no CVs in the game (average skill across the board given). 

So what? This game doesnt need CVs to counter DDs, since: 

a) DDs counter themselves. 

b) Cruisers with Radar and/or Hydro can still achive Map/Cap-Control (by just sitting in the cap - given the right circumstances - ). The DD doesnt die but cant fulfill his role. 

c) Use WASD-Hacks? 

 

DDs are strong and good DD Players can be opressive even, still there are already enough counter measures. No CVs needed at all. 

[Srle_Vigilante]

The player base can deal with that god forsaken class being removed from the game.

 

A CVless game a day keeps the rage away.

[Beastofwar]

13 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

 

Lets face it:

There are a ton of bad players in DDs and yes, DDs are the most impactful class if there are no CVs in the game (average skill across the board given). 

So what? This game doesnt need CVs to counter DDs, since: 

a) DDs counter themselves. 

b) Cruisers with Radar and/or Hydro can still achive Map/Cap-Control (by just sitting in the cap - given the right circumstances - ). The DD doesnt die but cant fulfill his role. 

c) Use WASD-Hacks? 

 

DDs are strong and good DD Players can be opressive even, still there are already enough counter measures. No CVs needed at all. 

 

I agree to the point CV should not be bothered with DD hunting - or protecting them against their rival DD - per definition.

 

But the pont is the playerbase does not accept a CV ignoring enemy DD. Not even when the enemy CV is doing that as well !

 

CV spotttt !!!    CV DD !!!!!!    CV find DD !!!!!!

 

All things they can do themselves, but simply dont want to with a CV there. So again, can they even handle a CV that is attacking other ships only ? If it were not a "bad CV player" decision but by WG design ?  ( or nerfing )

 

WG already leans to skip bomber CV that dont have rocket planes ( skip bombers can still hit DD though ) or rocket planes with a rticule larger then Yamato that cannot be closed. Still the playerbase does not accept you don't hunt DD with them......so what the hell do they want ?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

I think you are giving to much credit to some. random people making demands. Best course of action is as a CV follow priority target list, do what you think is important to win and don't pay attention to chat. 

What others think about your game plan doesn't matter if you know what you are doing. 

 

So just ignore those people and play however you see fit. it doesn't matter if they can handle DD or not or if they give a CV mostly bad orders. Ignore the chat. 

[Yedwy]

Dude just play the ship the way you want, you are not obliged to cater to the chat spam

[MementoMori_6030]

 

[Beastofwar]

8 minutes ago, Yosha_nai said:

I think you are giving to much credit to some. random people making demands. Best course of action is as a CV follow priority target list, do what you think is important to win and don't pay attention to chat. 

What others think about your game plan doesn't matter if you know what you are doing. 

 

So just ignore those people and play however you see fit. it doesn't matter if they can handle DD or not or if they give a CV mostly bad orders. Ignore the chat. 

 

I am...but WG obviously shifts in the direction of the complainers with nerf after nerf after nerf.

 

Playing ( high tier ) DD myself i don't feel further nerfing is at all nessesary - the more so tier X CV are rather rare and radars everywhere is much more a challenge - so WG must be suceptible to customer dissatifaction, even when it is rediculous and based on emotion rather then facts.

 

There is one exception : Enterprise. But when they want to nerf that DD griefing sucker, then they should have the balls to nerf THAT CV and not slap global nerfs on all CV that suffer a lot harder as they were never that efficient as Enterpirse rocket fighters are.

[Prophecy82]

11 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

All things they can do themselves, but simply dont want to with a CV there. So again, can they even handle a CV that is attacking other ships only ? If it were not a "bad CV player" decision but by WG design ?  ( or nerfing )

Well, ask FDR Players.... 

FDR isnt very good vs DDs, besides spotting them to death. And yea, it shows, FDR has the worst Winrate of all my T10 CVs. 

But is this a bad thing? I dont think so, it just brings the WR more in line with the other classes. 

 

Btw.: CVs still wont be useless vs DDs. They still can spot them to death. You can git gut with Rockets and you shouldt underestimate torps either. 

Also HE-Bombs!!!!

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Well just let WG do whatever. It's not the end of the world for CVs and the upcoming nerf barely restricts CV from dealing with DDs. Rockets aren't the only way. And just watch CV numbers get even less. WG is destroying their own goal of an active CV playerbase with these nerfs so for a while endure it and watch how WG messes up their own goal and expectations. 

 

I'm looking foward to how WG is going to try to make CV popular again next if at all after all this circus

[Hugh_Ruka]

11 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

I agree to the point CV should not be bothered with DD hunting - or protecting them against their rival DD - per definition.

 

But the pojt is the playerbase does not accept a CV ignoring enemy DD. Not even when the enemy CV is doing that as well !

 

CV spotttt !!!    CV DD !!!!!!    CV find DD !!!!!!

 

All things they can do themselves, but simply dont want to with a CV there. So again, can they even handle a CV that is attacking ships only ? If it were not a "bad CV player" decision but by design ?

And where is THAT being nerfed ? Is DD spotting by CV getting changed ? not the least ... so why have you opened the topic ?

 

Finding the DD is the key. Not killing him as a CV ...

[SodaBubbles]

42 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

But i have noticed it is a problem for the playerbase that whines, moans and reports for the CV ignoring DD. They simply do not seem to be able to handle enemy DD on their own, or dont want to. Or simply blame others when they fail.

Wrong in all three, of course. The answer is (4): when you bringing an omnipresent spotter and use it to ignore DDs -- not that you don't have to attack them, just keep them spotted, can't even count the number of times I've told CVs not to attack because they will lose spotting -- then you hurt your team. Of course people will complain....

But the attitude that you'll just run off and attack something else is exactly the kind of "I'maselfishdamagefarmersowhat?" attitude that we on the playerbase have come to expect of our CV drivers.

See? Two can play the supercilious, offensive attitude game....

[Beastofwar]

4 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

And where is THAT being nerfed ? Is DD spotting by CV getting changed ? not the least ... so why have you opened the topic ?

 

Finding the DD is the key. Not killing him as a CV ...

 

CV need to get score reward too you know......spotting does not bring in enough credits.......CV ( especially tech tree ) are very costly to operate and need to damage stuff themselves.

 

 

[Durin_VI]

One thing perhaps overlooked is this; you have DDs and then you have DDs. Imagine playing a DD being outspotted by another DD. You are then totally relying on help from either a radar or the CV. If you don't get help, you will just abandon that flank because you are the one running for your life and by doing that you give free reign to the enemy on that flank. 

 

 

 

 

[Beastofwar]

2 minutes ago, Durin_VI said:

One thing perhaps overlooked is this; you have DDs and then you have DDs. Imagine playing a DD being outspotted by another DD. You are then totally relying on help from either a radar or the CV. If you don't get help, you will just abandon that flank because you are the one running for your life and by that you give free reign to the enemy on that flank. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes i abondon flanks myself in DD too when not supported.

 

So how is continuous  CV nerfing - or shifting toward CV that have very poor anti DD capability by design  - helping in that ?

[Yedwy]

5 minutes ago, Yosha_nai said:

I'm looking foward to how WG is going to try to make CV popular again next if at all after all this circus

They wont, they realised its a dead cause, will finally make them a bit less opressive and swich all the attention to subs

[Hugh_Ruka]

2 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

CV need to get score reward too you know......spotting does not bring in enough credits.......CV ( especially tech tree ) are very costly to operate and need to damage stuff themselves.

 

 

well if you think losing the game because you don't spot DDs brings more credits then go for it ...

[Srle_Vigilante]

4 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

 

I agree to the point CV should not be bothered with DD hunting - or protecting them against their rival DD - per definition.

 

But the pont is the playerbase does not accept a CV ignoring enemy DD. Not even when the enemy CV is doing that as well !

 

CV spotttt !!!    CV DD !!!!!!    CV find DD !!!!!!

 

All things they can do themselves, but simply dont want to with a CV there. So again, can they even handle a CV that is attacking other ships only ? If it were not a "bad CV player" decision but by WG design ?  ( or nerfing )

 

WG already leans to skip bomber CV that dont have rocket planes ( skip bombers can still hit DD though ) or rocket planes with a rticule larger then Yamato that cannot be closed. Still the playerbase does not accept you don't hunt DD with them......so what the hell do they want ?

Games are won with intel and spotting. The next best thing for spotting and target acquisition after DDs, are carriers.

Removing the eyes of the enemy is a one and simple way of winning. That's why everyone screams their lungs out to focus dds.

 

Plus why even cater to the chat? Just attack targets that you think are the priority. Its random games, not clan battles.

[Durin_VI]

1 minute ago, Beastofwar said:

So how is continuous  CV nerfing helping in that ?

Even after the nerf the DD will need your help, even if it is just for spotting or driving him away.

[Beastofwar]

11 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

well if you think losing the game because you don't spot DDs brings more credits then go for it ...

 

Earning credits is not dependend on win or lose.......it is based on performance. Damage performance.....

 

Since tier X ships cost 30 million a piece to buy and module, and each time you operate a tier X CV you need at least 200-300 K service cost the spotting is not enough by a long shot. No, when you take out a CV, many enemies need to suffer loads of damage. Not different then playing a high tier tech tree BB.

 

Hovering over a cap to spot DD, yes can be important. But you obviously cannot do that too long or end up not only at the bottom of the score board, but with minus credits as well. No thanks.

[Hugh_Ruka]

8 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

Earning credits is not dependend on win or lose.......it is based on performance. Damage performance.....

 

Since tier X ships cost 30 million a piece to buy and module, and each time you operate a tier X CV you need at least 200-300 K service cost the spotting is not enough by a long shot. No, when you take out a CV, many enemies need to suffer loads of damage.

 

Hovering over a cap to spot DD, yes can be important. But you obviously cannot do that too long or end up not only at the bottom of the score baord, but - credits as well. No thanks.

and it's not like your fighter consumable cannot do that for you ? for a minute or so ? I mean those CV players that drop fighters at cap entry points instead of trying to fight the enemy CV squadrons with them must be doing something wrong. just cannot figure out why are they wasting their fighters like that ....