PSA: Super battleships are the concept for Tier 11

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

They will be bringing in Tier 11 ships and I believe the Super battleships are the first iteration of this new tier.

 

The ships in their current form dont even have a tier just a star and their own special game mod. 

 

But you heard it here first Tier 11 with more fantasy ships is on the way.

 

Hannover and Satsuma are just a proof of concept, just like subs are at the moment.

[firerider202]

A PSA normally contains facts and not theories, no?

[Karasu_Browarszky]

12 minutes ago, firerider202 said:

A PSA normally contains facts and not theories, no?

 

Public Speculation Announcement?

 

As for fantasy ships, it's neither rain or shine what tier they come on. Yamato is the only one (along with Musashi, of course!).

[Humorpalanta]

What does Personal Solicitor Attorney have anything to do with this game? :o

[hellhound666]

sad end for the game - developers without decent ideas just print bigger and more expensive ships and then distribute this crap through lootboxes ...

[Pururut]

Tier 11 wont happen or rather it simply cannot happen as the destroyers and cruisers for tier 10 are already pushing into early 50s for some nations. Tier 11 is the era of anti-air missiles, ASROC, ASW torpedoes and etc. which will temporarily render submarines and aircraft carriers irrelevant. At that point if Wargaming adds tier 12 to comply with even tiering rule than say goodbye to both battleships and cruisers. Dont think any battleship player will be interested in eating an Exocet from god knows how far. 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

3 minutes ago, Pururut said:

Tier 11 wont happen or rather it simply cannot happen as the destroyers and cruisers for tier 10 are already pushing into early 50s for some nations. Tier 11 is the era of anti-air missiles, ASROC, ASW torpedoes and etc. which will temporarily render submarines and aircraft carriers irrelevant. At that point if Wargaming adds tier 12 to comply with even tiering rule than say goodbye to both battleships and cruisers. Dont think any battleship player will be interested in eating an Exocet from god knows how far. 

 

Though, you are forgetting that as far as WoWS goes, WG does not feel bound by any simulacrum of reality. This is the Stuff of Legends (with Extra Cream, folks!).

[invicta2012]

10 minutes ago, Pururut said:

Tier 11 wont happen or rather it simply cannot happen as the destroyers and cruisers for tier 10 are already pushing into early 50s for some nations.

Well, I think they *could* give it a go, certainly from the PoV of Destroyers. If you make the early missile systems work like AirStrike mechanic (pick a location, fire your missile, it arrives x seconds later) then you could have Tier XI DDs like the US Mitscher, RN County, USSR Kotlin - plenty of choice. However I do believe that the Neutrashimy in game was actually used for a missile DD test and WG didn't think it was up to much. 

 

TBH I think SuperBattleships are a nonsense, it's all just napkin sketches. No-one had the money to build these things and no-one wanted to, really. 

 

 

[Imsali]

I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but T11 speculation is not new, I've seen a number post mentioning it.

 

But I don't think these super BBs will be that good, to be a tier higher. Higher alpha and hp pool balanced by gargantuan size and clumsiness.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, optimal_909 said:

I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but T11 speculation is not new, I've seen a number post mentioning it.

 

But I don't think these super BBs will be that good, to be a tier higher. Higher alpha and hp pool balanced by gargantuan size and clumsiness.

 

I wonder what their turning circle is. Would they spend most of their time stuck on rocks knowing how cramped WG maps tend to be....

[fumtu]

12 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Tier XI DDs like the US Mitscher, RN County, USSR Kotlin - plenty of choice.

 

Mitscher and County class DDs would not be stronger than T10 DDs simple due fact that their capacity to fight other ships actually went down. US and UK post war destroyers, early cold war designs, were equipped by SAM and ASW weapons but number of guns dropped to two single or double mounts and torpedoes were usually removed altogether. And they were not equipped with anti-ship missiles at that time.

 

Kotlin class originally didn't have any missiles at all and class is comparable to Neustrashimy and Smely (Siliwangi) class. It was in the later modernization that it got missiless

 

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However I do believe that the Neutrashimy in game was actually used for a missile DD test and WG didn't think it was up to much.

 

It is not. Neustrashimy class, well the only one ship in the class, never carried any missiles. It was Kildin class, basically a modification of Kotlin class that was tested for missiles. Smely, Neustra and Kotlin class were just intended to be in the branch that would finish with Kildin class but that doesn't mean that they all were equipped with missiles. Only Kildin one is confirmed to have them.

[Imsali]

9 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I wonder what their turning circle is. Would they spend most of their time stuck on rocks knowing how cramped WG maps tend to be....

More than a 1km. Actually the first non CV ships that may make a good use of autopilot. :)

The stats are in the latest dev blog about grand battles.

[invicta2012]

6 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Mitscher and County class DDs would not be stronger than T10 DDs simple due fact that their capacity to fight other ships actually went down. US and UK post war destroyers, early cold war designs, were equipped by SAM and ASW weapons but number of guns dropped to two single or double mounts and torpedoes were usually removed altogether.

I'll bet you a quad Exocet launcher that a Type II County would not be particularly concerned about a Gearing Class DD, simply because it could sink the Gearing from range without the other ship knowing it was there. Ditto the Mitscher et al. The range on the early Tartar missiles was about 16k so all they would need would be spotting information. There are also numerous impressive 50s/60s gunboat designs such as the Chilean Almirante class which would have a gun reload time below 2s, so there's plenty of material for Tiers above X. I'm just not sure it would be that interesting.

[fumtu]

5 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

I'll bet you a quad Exocet launcher that a Type II County would not be particularly concerned about a Gearing Class DD, simply because it could sink the Gearing from range without the other ship knowing it was there. Ditto the Mitscher et al. The range on the early Tartar missiles was about 16k so all they would need would be spotting information. There are also numerous impressive 50s/60s gunboat designs such as the Chilean Almirante class which would have a gun reload time below 2s, so there's plenty of material for Tiers above X. I'm just not sure it would be that interesting.

 

 

Exocet were late addition to the County class and they lost one of two turrets for it. Tartar missile is SAM. Almirante is standard DD, with guns and torp and could easily be a T9 or T10 DD. It is not like we already have DD with reload bellow 2sec. So no need for T11 there.

[invicta2012]

8 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Exocet were late addition to the County class and they lost one of two turrets for it.

And? The point is that we're no longer in Kansas and that a substitution of four long range missiles capable of hitting surface targets for 1 gun turret is eminently sensible. 

9 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Tartar missile is SAM

Then the Standard whatever it is. Take a DD type ship of 3.5k tons and stick some Anti-Ship missiles on it and you'e got a Tier XI. 

17 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Almirante is standard DD, with guns and torp and could easily be a T9 or T10 DD.

Well it could, but so could Halland, Smaland - see above really, take the same design, remove the torpedoes and stick some Anti-Ship missiles on it (as was planned, I believe) and you have a Tier XI DD.

 

Otherwise there are plenty of Tier XI DDs of both gunboat and missile boat varieties available for the major nations... but how interesting would that be? I'm not sure, tbh. 

 

[GulvkluderGuld]

1 hour ago, Pururut said:

Dont think any battleship player will be interested in eating an Exocet from god knows how far. 

Knowing WG, CVs and BBs will only take overpens from Exocet and the likes. Cruisers and DDs on the other hand 

[Cirno9999]

they will be juicy food for torps thats for sure amd big guns are often big overpens because armor of targets is too thin

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, Humorpalanta said:

What does Personal Solicitor Attorney have anything to do with this game? :o

I thought that stood for Pr0nologic Shait Astronomer, but maybe I watch too much of that crap. 

[Wulf_Ace]

If they didnt bring tier 11 to world of tanks, they wont here also.

[Cirno9999]

only a small step from t 11 to 20 xD

[Prophecy82]

11 hours ago, Pururut said:

Tier 11 wont happen or rather it simply cannot happen as the destroyers and cruisers for tier 10 are already pushing into early 50s for some nations. Tier 11 is the era of anti-air missiles, ASROC, ASW torpedoes and etc. which will temporarily render submarines and aircraft carriers irrelevant. At that point if Wargaming adds tier 12 to comply with even tiering rule than say goodbye to both battleships and cruisers. Dont think any battleship player will be interested in eating an Exocet from god knows how far. 

 

Dont has to be tho. AS they stated those Supi-BBs are "from an alternate Timeline"... they could just go full fantasy on T11+

Wouldnt be the first time, right, russian Hightiers? 

 

As I see it, this Supi-BBs will fail spectaculary since they will be food to CA/CL, DD and CV (CVs are allowed in the "CV free alternate timeline )

 

[NothingButTheRain]

15 hours ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

They will be bringing in Tier 11 ships and I believe the Super battleships are the first iteration of this new tier.

 

The ships in their current form dont even have a tier just a star and their own special game mod. 

 

But you heard it here first Tier 11 with more fantasy ships is on the way.

 

Hannover and Satsuma are just a proof of concept, just like subs are at the moment.

I can't wait till they gib us USS Forrestal with jet n00cleah bambs and the IJN Minemarehireharuhatsu! 

[MementoMori_6030]

They can go T100 as long as I can keep playing low/mid tiers and ignoring the crap above those.

[Fat_Maniac]

15 hours ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

They will be bringing in Tier 11 ships and I believe the Super battleships are the first iteration of this new tier.

 

The ships in their current form dont even have a tier just a star and their own special game mod. 

 

But you heard it here first Tier 11 with more fantasy ships is on the way.

 

Hannover and Satsuma are just a proof of concept, just like subs are at the moment.

Already said it in another thread myself.

This looks like the start of Tier 11 and 12. On live stream last September WG dev said T11/12 would happen when there was a big enough T10 population, with most players owning T10's.

Can't wait to see what hell a T12 CV will bring.

[Tanaka_15]

Well imho ofc, we will have t11 and t12 super ultra bbs.

 

I for once still want my super_mega_ultra_thunderer with 12 thundere guns, 8km concilment and 100% fire chance. I think this will be amazing addtion to t10+ meta.