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Player interest in Operations

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Player Interest in Operations  

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  1. 1. Are you interested in playing Operations at all ?

    • Yes, if the devs would add multiple new and fresh Operations and/or add Operations at a wider range of tiers
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    • No i think playing against scripted bots is boring.
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  2. 2. What causes you to not play Operations now ?

    • The developers shrunk the selection of Operations to such a low amount i fall asleep doing the same ones over an over again
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    • I have no interest in playing against scripted bots
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    • I still play Operations and i have fun doing that despite the limited variation
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  3. 3. Is Operations mode important to you ( were it given some attention by WG )

    • Yes it gives a refreshing change from random mode and it's gameplay problems. ( such as overly competitive players, toxidity, no balance, frustations )
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    • I have no interest in playing against scipted bots
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  4. 4. Is the awards you are getting from Operations important to you ?

    • Yes but i stopped playing Operations because WG nerfed income to force us to other modes.
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    • Yes but i still play it to train captains, XP ships and such
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    • No
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  5. 5. Why do you think WG is discouraging playing Operations ?

    • They are not doing that, they simply had problems with CV rework and implementing that is/was not a priority
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    • They are doing that because MM will work less optimal in tiers 6 and 7 with dwindeling number of players in those tiers. ( these have progressed into higher tiers )
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    • They want players to progress through PvP combat in "competitve" setting as they would otherwise ignore other PvP modes/events.
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Beastofwar
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I always think WG is asking the wrong questions in polls, never seemingly wanting to know what players really want.

 

I want to know what players want, because i could be wrong too ofcourse.

 

So what you think about Operations ?

 

Me.....i bought all T6 and T7 premiums specially for that...i never use those in randoms ( i did in last Bronze ranked though, but they were optimized for Operations so that was a bit of added difficulty ) and retain some fun tech tree ships with perma camo's specially for Operations too.

 

I truely hate it WG does nothing about offering fresh new Operations, for more tiers ( especially tier 5 and 8 as i have many interesting premiums in that range ) and instead limit the ones available to pure boredom and then nerf income and what not to chase everyone away from it. Intentional or not.

 

In fact were it not for ranked ( tactical play with all classes ) and CV class in randoms i would have probably lost interest in the game. There is so much potential in scripting famous naval battles, raids, channel/strait escape dashes and other historic operations it is almost a crime not to use these beautiful historic correct ship models in the settings and enviroment they really fought in.

 

What say you ?

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I love Killer Whale and Narai(unless I'm playing a DD) 

 

All the other ones, meh... I woud like more but not like them to be honest. Most people for some reason can't finish Defense one and Ranger Resque is always filled with annoying bugs. Aegis is entertaining but I'd put it in thhe middle.

 

When I'm playing low tier ships that I don't really enjoy in PvP, I always play them in operations. 

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totally_potato

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Operation Dunkirk was my favorite. Like you can play historical or play arcadey and that's what drew me to wows. Like they can have limited time operations and bring thme back with new features and maybe finally keep it permanent. This added so much more depth into the game. But WG its crap so those didn't last long

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I only ever played the ops past few first time games when a new op came in two cases:

1. Farming something

2. Traininc CV drops

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1 hour ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Cherry Blossom, Operation Dynamo, The Ultimate Frontier...

 

...these I remember, and many more...

 

 

I have a question, did my Cherry Blossom spotter plane Cleveland hack ever make it to the live server?

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6 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

I have a question, did my Cherry Blossom spotter plane Cleveland hack ever make it to the live server?

 

Hmm... I don't think I know, did Cleveland have a spotter plane? It's been so long...

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I miss Cherryblossom and Operation Hermes the most. Ultimate frontier.... it was a tough one and I bet even harder with today's players, but still better than Defense of **nalport

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11 minutes ago, Fatal_Ramses said:

I miss Cherryblossom and Operation Hermes the most. Ultimate frontier.... it was a tough one and I bet even harder with today's players, but still better than Defense of **nalport

 

Amazing map, the Ultimate Frontier. I think it was in the Asymmetrical Battles briefly.

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2 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

I always think WG is asking the wrong questions in polls, never seemingly wanting to know what players really want.

But your own poll has unfair questions. Your first question is:

 

'Are you interested in playing Operations at all?'

 

The possible answers are:

 

1) 'Yes, if the devs would add multiple new and fresh Operations and/or add Operations at a wider range of tiers'

2) 'No i think playing against scripted bots is boring.'

 

The first one isn't clear. Does that mean 'Yes, but only if they add...' or does it mean 'Yes, but I'd also like...'? You need to either narrow it down to a simple yes/no, possibly refining the reason in a later question, or provide more possible answers.

 

But beyond that both answers impose your interpretations on people's reasoning. What if I've no interest in playing Operations because I've obtained all the rewards? I have to tell you I think bots are boring even if I don't. What if I'm 100% okay with Operations as they stand and don't think they need to add any more? I have to tell you I think we need more. 

 

Just a friendly pointer. I love the avatar. :cap_like:

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Honestly, add more op's, play at higher and multiple tiers and have more than 1 op a week, and I'd play them a hell of a lot more.

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I would love to see new operations I still enjoy playing the very limited selection we have but it is rather repetitive. 

 

I really struggle to believe WGs excuse that not nearly enough people play operations, rather it’s not beneficial to them as they cannot really monetise operations the way they can with events.   

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3 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

I would love to see new operations I still enjoy playing the very limited selection we have but it is rather repetitive. 

 

I really struggle to believe WGs excuse that not nearly enough people play operations, rather it’s not beneficial to them as they cannot really monetise operations the way they can with events.   

 

I don't think they are necessarily wrong about the low numbers. I am however absolutely convinced that these low numbers are entirely of WG's own making. For a company that's supposedly so data driven, they sure know how to taint the data via their actions. I mean its slightly disingenuous to claim a lack of active participation and ignore their own actions that have actively contributed to that state.

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41 minutes ago, Miss_Halock said:

But your own poll has unfair questions. Your first question is:

 

'Are you interested in playing Operations at all?'

 

The possible answers are:

 

1) 'Yes, if the devs would add multiple new and fresh Operations and/or add Operations at a wider range of tiers'

2) 'No i think playing against scripted bots is boring.'

 

The first one isn't clear. Does that mean 'Yes, but only if they add...' or does it mean 'Yes, but I'd also like...'? You need to either narrow it down to a simple yes/no, possibly refining the reason in a later question, or provide more possible answers.

 

But beyond that both answers impose your interpretations on people's reasoning. What if I've no interest in playing Operations because I've obtained all the rewards? I have to tell you I think bots are boring even if I don't. What if I'm 100% okay with Operations as they stand and don't think they need to add any more? I have to tell you I think we need more. 

 

Just a friendly pointer. I love the avatar. :cap_like:

 

What you say is true for almost any poll. It is near impossible to represent all answers players would like to give. 

 

And ofcourse, the bias here is i assume WG tries to deminish Operations in favor of forcing more players in certain now less populated tiers into the MM system ( PvP ) as that system's balancing works a whole lot better with sufficient players available for PvP.

 

I would not mind so much if i didn't value what Operations can ( and did ) offer : far less toxic, far more relaxed game mode where you can still challenge yourself by trying new tactics within the envelope of what your ships can do. But having to play such a limited selection of Operations even trying new tactics grows boring. Removed Ops should be restored, and fresh new ones added.

 

Not screaming CC fulminating over the lastest overpowered ship or how that would affect your all world important WR (aaarggh my nerves my WR might fall with this OP ship coming in the game WTF wg aaaarhhgghh lol ) make this game attractive for me....far from it, i am just as happy using ships that can be years old already and even ships that are difficult to make perform ( THAT is what requires skill, not using OP ships....)

 

As for WG getting income out of it...i am actually BUYING premiums and perma camo's just for Operation use to actually enjoy ships characteristics.......not to be "OP" in pvp enviroment. But i have many T5 premium ( mostly earned with events ) and T8 premiums i dont even use as i dont like to play randoms with them. ( i do like PvP ranked at T9-T10 however ) I very much would wish there were Operations in their tier range.

 

This should be important to them as i know i am by far not the only one.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Amazing map, the Ultimate Frontier. I think it was in the Asymmetrical Battles briefly.

 

Had to check that on Youtube cause i think i never played UF, doesnt even remembered what was it about. Or it was so long ago that i totally forgot.  :(  Same with Cherry Blossom, however, i am 100% sure i never played that.

 

Did Hermes a few times ( was quite fun ), and Dynamo many , many times ( even bought a Sims for plane shredding ).

 

I really wish WG would put more effort to OPs, alot historical events that could fit ( Channel Dash for Axis side, for example ), or just bring back the old ones for variety.

 

I am also one of the players who bought several premium ships just for OPs alone.

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6 minutes ago, Rawthorm said:

 

I don't think they are necessarily wrong about the low numbers. I am however absolutely convinced that these low numbers are entirely of WG's own making. For a company that's supposedly so data driven, they sure know how to taint the data via their actions. I mean its slightly disingenuous to claim a lack of active participation and ignore their own actions that have actively contributed to that state.

 

The fewer operations in rotation, the lower the numbers will get. Imagine if we only had one operation going non-stop.

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1 minute ago, K82J said:

 

Had to check that on Youtube cause i think i never played UF, doesnt even remembered what was it about. Or it was so long ago that i totally forgot.  :(  Same with Cherry Blossom, however, i am 100% sure i never played that.

 

Did Hermes a few times ( was quite fun ), and Dynamo many , many times ( even bought a Sims for plain shredding ).

 

I really wish WG would put more effort to OPs, alot historical events that could fit ( Channel Dash for Axis side, for example ), or just bring back the old ones for variety.

 

I am also one of the players who bought sever premium ships just for OPs alone.

 

It had something like this too!

 

 

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26 minutes ago, K82J said:

I really wish WG would put more effort to OPs, alot historical events that could fit ( Channel Dash for Axis side, for example ), or just bring back the old ones for variety.

There is a test of a "convoy" mode planned for the near future, but WG does seem prone to schoolboy errors when designing these things - the community pulled apart their proposal for Axis vs Allies in minutes, principally because of the lack of radar on the Axis side. Hopefully they will look at the feedback and rework it accordingly. 

 

With regards to Ops.... I liked the original Dynamo, with its new ships and new enemies (the fight vs E-boats was always enjoyable). I played Hermes a couple of times and didn't really enjoy it. I think the high tier ones were quite niche - that kind of artificial difficulty where designers try and make something "tough" never appealed. I think Ops work best at mid tiers, so I'm not wholly surprised WG aren't that interested at the moment - they've gone from not being bothered about low tiers to not being that bothered about anything below Tier VIII. 

 

What I am missing, though, are the no-pressure PVP modes we had with the subs test and asymmetric battles, and I'd like another round of those. Again, mid-tiers (VI and VII) but I think it was more fun for the lack of overmatch and get spotted, get citadelled nonsense at high tiers and the general stress and toxicity of Randoms/ranked.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

What I am missing, though, are the no-pressure PVP modes we had with the subs test and asymmetric battles, and I'd like another round of those. Again, mid-tiers (VI and VII) but I think it was more fun for the lack of overmatch and get spotted, get citadelled nonsense at high tiers and the general stress and toxicity of Randoms/ranked.

 

 

 

I sometimes wish they add some old events into a monthly rotation, even if just for a week. Like the Bathtub mode or what the name was, i never was able to play it, i started after the event was long gone. Or the Torpedo beat event. I think newer players should be able to experience these events, not to mention, probably alot of work was put into them, so its just a waste of resources to mothball them forever.

 

Though i am a PVE player since the CV Rebork, i do play these special PVP events, especially because of the no-pressure side of them.

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Love Ops, love playing them, wish there was more.

 

The main holdback I think for a lot of players is that nearly ALL the mission chains that come out with the new sparkly events contain 90% missions that DENY Ops.

 

Meaning you want to chase [INSERT SHINY THING HERE] then you can't play Ops until you unlock it.

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I for one am not interested in operations at all but wish there was more content for the PVE players. Isn't it better for everyone if they can play and enjoy their prefered game mode? A real shame how WG is ignoring the PVE part of the game

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Outside of Clan Battles, operations mode is the only game mode I've seen where a group of players actually coordinate, know their sh*t and do their sh*t competently for the majority of the time.

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It would be nice to have some more tier variety in the Operations. Even if it is only one T5 Operation and/or one T8 Operation.

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Does anyone miss Savage Sewage in Rogue Wave? It got my blood pumping simply through the high speed of destroyers (Rumble /Kleber to be specific) and torp spam. If I remember correctly, it's the only game mode that discouraged camping. You either stay on the move and hunt down enemies or die from radiation burns.   :Smile_veryhappy:

It's one of the best-scripted ops. 

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