Orkan, Loyang or Haida?

[Camperdown]

Hi!

I am a DD main and would like to buy a nice premium. I like low detection generalist DDs to contest caps and hunt enemy DDs. Lightning is my favourite, in ranked I also play Daring a lot. I have and like T61.

 

So which DD from the armoury would you recommend to get first?

[ThePurpleSmurf]

4 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

So which DD from the armoury would you recommend to get first?

Haida will be removed next patch, so if you want her get her asap. She is also the perhaps best T7 DD. Loyang is not worth it anymore. It used to be very strong, but it got power crept hard and is far from where it once was. Orkan is a mini Smaland, but by far not as strong. I don't have her, but she seem to be okay from what i've seen.

[Hugh_Ruka]

Haida

 

a. it is getting removed

b. it is really strong for its tier

 

I have the Loyang but have not played in ages, so cannot tell you how it performs now. As for the Orkan, it looks like a good premium.

[Tanaka_15]

In t7 i would say Haida, dont have orkan but it is Lithining with no smoke, much worse torps but with radar so im unsure if the trade is ok. But rember it is still t7, so you will face mosty t9 ships.. 

[lameoll]

Haida by far especialy because its gonna be removed

[KillStealBoss]

I have the Orkan played like 100 battles on her. She's fine but in some situations it's hopeless especially against a CV that is determined to kill you - not having a smoke and the AA is mediocre at best is... Not good. Haida and Loyang have smoke at least. Also you need to pick your fights wisely on it and play it carefully at the start of the game. 

Loyang is still ok but not super unique as it was in the past with his hydro. 

Haida is very strong on T7 but people tend to focus her so don't rush too much forward to catch the DD. She's the only T7 DD that has no issue being uptiered. 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Haida is the most interesting and probably the strongest tier-for-tier.

 

Orkan is not great, decent dpm but poor torps and a worse heal than tech tree makes it underwhelming.

 

Loyang is still strong for smoke hydro shenanigans.

[arttuperkunas]

Haida is great, and not even that hard to play (despite what some reviews might say). You can do decently in it just by relying on the god-tier concealment (for T7). This is not to say that it doesn't have a high skill ceiling, but imo the skill floor isn't really that high either - unless you're a torpedo fetishist who doesn't know how to use the guns on your DD, or for some reason you're one of those people who doesn't understand how DD consumables work (as consumable management is key to good Haida play, in addition to vision management).

[GulvkluderGuld]

 

Haida better than T-61 or Z-39?

[totally_potato]

2 hours ago, Camperdown said:

Hi!

I am a DD main and would like to buy a nice premium. I like low detection generalist DDs to contest caps and hunt enemy DDs. Lightning is my favourite, in ranked I also play Daring a lot. I have and like T61.

 

So which DD from the armoury would you recommend to get first?

Just get Haida ASAP before 10.5 or you'll regret it

Loyang ain't worth it anymore. Yes she has German hydro. But her gunpower has been powercrept to the ground. She literally has Benham firepower with Benham reload and worser range. Her health is also similar to Benham. And Benham is a torp boat and she can't fight any non japanese DDs (I meant the Shima line) because of her guns being lackluster and bad HP. Yes its a tier difference but both face tier 7-10. And her torps are slow with long range or fast with short range. Honestly if you want a Hydro DD there are some fair options of Hydro DDs. You can play Siliwangi which has way better guns than Lo yang thanks to her ballistics. Yes she has deep water torps and can't hit DDs but the guns comparison wise are better so that's the trade off. HSF Harekaze II is pretty terrible if you gunboat with her. But if you play the close range hydro torp boat playstyle (its quite the unique experience and works quite well in randoms) then she can work. Her guns are situationally very powerful and you can catch cruiser off guard with cits and torps. She is terrible in competitive but an ok pick for randoms especially if you want to try something new. If you want a normal DD with Hydro get Z-23 which isn't premium but put her permanent camo and she earns as much as a premium. She recently got her guns changed and while its completely fantasy now those guns gave her a good boost in gunpower which is what she needed for a long time. So 5 guns with German HE which is amazing against BBs, pretty good against cruisers and okish against DDs. She has German AP that slap broadsides quite well for some meaty 2-4K dmg with even 6k volleys on the average DD you face. She has good stealth at 6.2km (comparatively no it doesn't have better stealth than many Tier 8s but considering that the normal competition is T6, 7, 9 and 10 along with tier 8 and the fact that many DDs at T6 and 7 don't have good stealth to begin with, so the conceal is fairly good and workable, and god knows why ppl complain about it). Yes she doesn't have sub 6km conceal but she'd be a bit too powerful imo if she had that. He has a slightly worser hydro than the rest but 5km Hydro is very powerful and nothing to be shameful of. I have caught many players off guard with this hydro and surprisingly not on others coz Z-23 without hydro is a decent DD while the rest are kinda balanced around hydro so some of the players who maybe aware of what some exclusive ships bring to the table while they may not be aware of what some tech trees bring. Still all the hydros of T8 catch ppl off guard, and ig its just me but I catch ppl off guard way more in Z-23 (Ig I play its more that's why). And Z-23 has good torps. Fast reload, fairly hard hitting against T6-8, and pretty good range, and their speed is good as well. So there are your options for a hydro DDs. Z-35 is also an ok ship. Short range but fast torps, very very good guns with good range but very very american like ballistics at long range and she has british smoke aka the best smoke in the game. But if you have Z-23 you don't need Z-35 unless you badly need a premium

 

Orkan is good. She is a lightning without one set of torps for a Radar. Like there are only two Radar DDs at T8 and its Hsienyang and Orkan. So comparatively Orkan has worser maneuverability characteristics (2 knots slower, 0.2 second slower rudder and 20m worser TC), slightly worser stealth with 200 less HP compared to Hsienyang (keep in mind I am comparing Orkan with Jersy and Hsienyang with Quan Rong, and most Pan Asian DDs have the pan asian unique commander with enhanced survivability so expect it to have it) and deep water torps. Orkan has better DPM and fire chance even with the Pan asian enhanced Pyrotechnician mounted, better survivability overall thnx to having a heal, and Fast torps that can hit DDs fairly regularly as well as cruiser, but DT does have the advantage against BBs. Orkan is worth getting, as it is a good cap contester, and can put up a fair fight against cruiser with he torps and guns. She is crap against BBs and that's where Hsienyang shines. 

 

TLDR get Haida and Orkan, don't get Lo Yang, gring yourself the German DDs line instead, or if you want a hydro premium DD get Siliwangi. HSF harekaze only if you want to try a new approach to playing a torp boat and a DD in general

[NavalComedian]

Recently got Haida myself , played mostly ranked , she's a beast if you take advantage of her concealment 5.7km with CE , that's most likely the best at tr7 , crawling smoke is also nice since most ppl torp behind you but she has hydro anyway 3.5km so mostly defensive . Guns are good too 3x2-120mm with ok ballistics ( easy to use if you got usn guns under control ) . Her torp alpha is lacking , don't yolo rush a BB unless it's lower tier or already lost a good chunk of its HP . Another dissatvantage is the unique tree captain so either buy a 10 pointer or make one with elite exp .

Can't talk about the others as I don't own them .

[RenfieldSyndrome]

If Lightning is your favorite DD why dont you go for Cossack

[GulvkluderGuld]

1 hour ago, totally_potato said:

TLDR get Haida and Orkan, don't get Lo Yang, gring yourself the German DDs line instead, or if you want a hydro premium DD get Siliwangi. HSF harekaze only if you want to try a new approach to playing a torp boat and a DD in general

I hope you mean Harekaze II, the one still available that WG can nerf at their leisure.

 

The original Harekaze with 100 mm akizuki guns is stupid powerful and one of my all time favorite picks.

Comparable to Cossack and Lightning in stealth and almost in gunpower, but with much better torpedoes and semi-decent AA, it can hold it's own vs all classes.

 

Another option is Asashio which is also getting removed.

Only got mine recently, but I can testify to that one being both fun and strong with our never-ending BB meta.

[N00Boo7]

I was in same situation, i chosed loyang, very happy with it.

[Setterus]

I'm enjoying z-39 for now. Not god concealment like haida at 5.7, but is the only t7 that can equip a concealment module from T8(6.1km) and also t8 hydro, very good guns and  not mention torps that have great reload, hit hard and are 8.5km range. 

Think about that also. 

Orkan is nice too. Had some Gr8 games on it

[Takethatyoubeast]

I’ve got Haida and Orkan and love them both

 

Very different ships and play-style but as Haida is going, I’d get that providing you have at least a 10 point Commonwealth commander 

[Verblonde]

5 hours ago, Camperdown said:

So which DD from the armoury would you recommend to get first?

IMO:

• Haida first; she's very good, fun to play, and about to be removed from sale. She isn't easy mode, and you do need your allies to shoot what you spot (with only one torp launcher, you have to be very skilled with single launch torps to get large damage numbers from fatties fast enough), but she's a fantastic anti-DD boat. Bonus points for being real. Fit coal hydro and smoke mods.
• Loyang second; although most people know about the hydro/smoke  trick (fit a coal hydro mod too), it's still pretty powerful. Good for hunting DDs. I personally run the YOLO torp option, as they're fast enough to occasionally actually hit things with.
• Orkan third, although not by much. I like Orkan a lot, although whether you'll like her or not will depend entirely on whether you can make use of the radar - she can be a monstrous DD hunter, although (compared to Lightning) you're giving up a lot of torp firepower and smoke (although you do get a healing potion too, it's not a 'zombie' one). You want a radar coal mod. She's sometimes thought of as (kind of) a T8 Smaland; in some respects that's not too far from the truth, but be aware that - even tier-for-tier - her AA is emphatically not Smaland levels, so caution is required when dealing with planes.

It's worth emphasising that Haida really wants at least a ten point captain (the others too, come to that, but they both have matching silver lines), so if you don't have one already (for Perth, say, or the Vampires) you'll have to blow some doubloons or resources. As with many DDs, higher point captains are very helpful in all these ships' cases...

[Camperdown]

Hi everyone, thanks for your suggestions! 

Unfortunately, I don't have the gold now to buy Haida  so it will probably be Orkan in a few months.

[Strapps]

1 hour ago, Camperdown said:

Hi everyone, thanks for your suggestions! 

Unfortunately, I don't have the gold now to buy Haida  so it will probably be Orkan in a few months.

That's a shame because as a result of your question and the responses in this thread I decided to take the plunge and grab a Haida before the end. Initial impressions are that I'm delighted.

 

 

What's more, all of those battles were played with an 8-point commander as I didn't have the necessary captain xp to give him CE (saving my free xp to grab a Nelson). I got there in 5 battles with a combination of premium account and a bunch of special flags that I save for occasions such as this. And only the last battle was top tier without a radar on the enemy team.

 

Fantastic ship, absolute little terror. 

[Camperdown]

When is Haida removed from the armoury? With the next coupon in 23 days I may be able to buy her, so if she only disappears after that, I may still be good 

[totally_potato]

20 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

I hope you mean Harekaze II, the one still available that WG can nerf at their leisure.

 

The original Harekaze with 100 mm akizuki guns is stupid powerful and one of my all time favorite picks.

Comparable to Cossack and Lightning in stealth and almost in gunpower, but with much better torpedoes and semi-decent AA, it can hold it's own vs all classes.

 

Another option is Asashio which is also getting removed.

Only got mine recently, but I can testify to that one being both fun and strong with our never-ending BB meta.

He said Lo Yang. I think he wants for the Hydro. It has Benham fire power with lower range, So hydro is its only saving grace.

So I gave a couple of options for Hydro DDs since Lo Yang is trash now imo. Z-23 is much better, Z-35 is a gunboat, HSF Harekaze ii gives a new playstyle which works quite well in Randoms and I quite like with some 150mm guns to catch cruisers occasionally. So I recommended it if he wants something new. Siliwangi if he doesn't like any of the following.

[N00Boo7]

Haida will be removed with 10.5 update. I was thinking to get it too, but in competitive, i never had problems vs HAIDA's ( or i didnt face a real competent captain in it) like i had vs Loyang. In tier 7 competitive for me Z39 worked much better. Also need to invest in the captain, witch i cant share with many ships.

[N00Boo7]

33 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

He said Lo Yang. I think he wants for the Hydro. It has Benham fire power with lower range, So hydro is its only saving grace.

So I gave a couple of options for Hydro DDs since Lo Yang is trash now imo. Z-23 is much better, Z-35 is a gunboat, HSF Harekaze ii gives a new playstyle which works quite well in Randoms and I quite like with some 150mm guns to catch cruisers occasionally. So I recommended it if he wants something new. Siliwangi if he doesn't like any of the following.

U will be amazed  how many players don't know to counter play Loyang,  i took it recently  and after 50 battles i still have above  76% win rate in it. By far my most succesfull DD.  

[Procrastes]

23 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Haida better than T-61 or Z-39?

The Haida is the best at what she does, namely hunting and killing other destroyers. This is something she does better than any other destroyer of her tier. The T-61 on the other hand is probably the best all-rounder at her tier, having an excellent torpedo  armament, access to hydro and overall good stats otherwise. As for the Z-39, I've never really managed to get those 150 mm guns to work for me, but I suspect this is a matter of personal skill and play style rather than a weakness of the ship itself.

 

To sum it up: The Haida and the T-61 are both at the top of their respective class, but their strengths are in very different areas and so they don't compare well against each other. My advice would be to get them both. The Z-39, on the other hand, does not really stand out in any category in my book.

[totally_potato]

2 hours ago, N00Boo7 said:

U will be amazed  how many players don't know to counter play Loyang,  i took it recently  and after 50 battles i still have above  76% win rate in it. By far my most succesfull DD.  

Yeah but what you do in Lo yang, you do better in Siliwangi or Z-23.