No flags for achievements?!

[Myrmix]

Is there a bug in 10.4. where you don't get flags for achievements like "Confederate" or "Dreadnaught" anymore?

Haven't gotten any since the patch.

 

Anyone else experiencing this problem or am I missing some kind of chest?

[lafeel]

It's not a bug, it was in the patch notes. You no longer get flags for achievements.

 

 

Guys don't get angry at me, I'm not the one who made the change, don't even approve OF it. Just you need to read the notes.

[bobtherterrible]

It's a new feature

apparently you get them some other way but i've yet to work out how that is

[invicta2012]

You get missions! So that you play more! Work harder for your flags, comrades, the productivity quotas demand it! 

[Aetius85]

3 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

You get missions! So that you play more! Work harder for your flags, comrades, the productivity quotas demand it! 

You get a static set of missions, so it's no more important if you do 1,10,100 achievements each day! Same mission for all!

 

[invicta2012]

2 minutes ago, Aetius85 said:

You get a static set of missions, so it's no more important if you do 1,10,100 achievements each day! Same mission for all!

There is no need to reward hard work when everyone is hard working, comrade! 

[GulvkluderGuld]

You just have to grind thousands og baseXP points for 1 container each. 

 

Oh and if you earn the achievement again next day and havn't done the previous mission chain, i'm pretty sure all WG has to show you is a big middle finger.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 16 Minuten, invicta2012 sagte:

There is no need to reward hard work when everyone is hard working, comrade! 

Still no achievements in coop, so I'm not missing any rewards... 

[Myrmix]

Really?!

I mean it wouldn't have hurt them in the slightest to just add the missions on top.

No, someone had to make the decision and remove it.

 

Seriously, [edited]that specific guy who made the decision. Profit-mentality makes me sick. I miss the days where games were made for fun and not for money.

[Humorpalanta]

4 minutes ago, Myrmix said:

Really?!

I mean it wouldn't have hurt them in the slightest to just add the missions on top.

No, someone had to make the decision and remove it.

 

Seriously, [edited]that specific guy who made the decision. Profit-mentality makes me sick. I miss the days where games were made for fun and not for money.

What profit? It is not your money. It is OUR money.

 

[Spartan_Renegade]

 

5 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said:

What profit? It is not your money. It is OUR money.

 

 

[Myrmix]

Ironic that a russian company is such a capitalist pig..

[Kr1gsG4ldr]

29 minuti fa, Myrmix ha scritto:

Really?!

I mean it wouldn't have hurt them in the slightest to just add the missions on top.

No, someone had to make the decision and remove it.

 

Seriously, [edited]that specific guy who made the decision. Profit-mentality makes me sick. I miss the days where games were made for fun and not for money.

Totally agree, i think the last game made because developers had love and passion for what they we're doing is the old Fallout New Vegas.

Of course, that game had multiple problems when published like bugs or quests breaking, but it's because the guys of Obsidian had too short time for familarize with the game engine, because the deadline on the development was too unfair and too short, indeed i remember that they said that if they had more time the game would've been even more bigger and without all that problems mentioned before, so sad that they haven't the opportunity.

But it's a masterpiece even so, if you guys have played the game you know perfectly well of what i'm talking, you can touch with your hands that behind every texture, script, asset and the storytelling of that game there is a huge work made with heart and passion.

Because war.......

War never changes.......

 

 

 

[Verblonde]

6 minutes ago, LordInvader98k said:

Fallout New Vegas.

One of my favourite games - still a regular escape when WG are being especially 'if they were an ice-cream flavour, they'd be Pralines & Richard'...

[Corocotta15]

I dont like at all this change. It's against the basis of any sport.

[Myrmix]

The WoWs team was really motivated in the first years and the community's input seemed valued. But I guess now it's just a money making machine like WoT.

 

On the other hand, we do see how quickly a game gets dropped if there is some kind of competition. Probably not lucrative enough to try and battle it out with Warthunder vs WoP.

Some competition would do wonders for their price and grind politics in WoT and WoWs I bet.

(I mean, seriously? Ships for the price of 2 AAA games?! I like vodka too, but guys...)

 

[Aragathor]

53 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Still no achievements in coop, so I'm not missing any rewards... 

Well, the new mission includes every regular mode. Which means that COOP players, players in Ops, players in brawls, get flags.

 

Which means that an average potato, that only completes one mission per week, will get 4x standard flag boxes (3x 2500xp, 1x 5000xp) and 1x special box (4x 7500xp) per week.

In a month that's 16x flag boxes and 4x special boxes. Seeing as we didn't have a regular source of special signals or signals like Sierra Bravo, I see it as a net win.

 

The average guy profits. The only people that lose are the veterans. But not really, as they can just buy flags in armory for silver (just bought 100 Juliet Yankee Bissotwo with spare change).

I'm a harsh critic of WG, but this ain't a hill to fight on.

[Myrmix]

1 minute ago, Aragathor said:

Well, the new mission includes every regular mode. Which means that COOP players, players in Ops, players in brawls, get flags.

 

Which means that an average potato, that only completes one mission per week, will get 4x standard flag boxes (3x 2500xp, 1x 5000xp) and 1x special box (4x 7500xp) per week.

In a month that's 16x flag boxes and 4x special boxes. Seeing as we didn't have a regular source of special signals or signals like Sierra Bravo, I see it as a net win.

 

The average guy profits. The only people that lose are the veterans. But not really, as they can just buy flags in armory for silver.

I'm a harsh critic of WG, but this ain't a hill to fight on.

 

I like that they added this possibility. But there was no good reason to remove the flag reward by achievements. Just have both.

And sorry, but if I've learned anything about gaming in 15 years, then that you have to fight on every hill and inch you have, because modern gaming companies WILL try to take it.

[Carandraug]

6 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Well, the new mission includes every regular mode. Which means that COOP players, players in Ops, players in brawls, get flags.

 

Which means that an average potato, that only completes one mission per week, will get 4x standard flag boxes (3x 2500xp, 1x 5000xp) and 1x special box (4x 7500xp) per week.

In a month that's 16x flag boxes and 4x special boxes. Seeing as we didn't have a regular source of special signals or signals like Sierra Bravo, I see it as a net win.

 

The average guy profits. The only people that lose are the veterans. But not really, as they can just buy flags in armory for silver (just bought 100 Juliet Yankee Bissotwo with spare change).

I'm a harsh critic of WG, but this ain't a hill to fight on.

I heavily disagree. Even average guy loses, because you will be getting totally random stuff with nothing really guaranteed. Im currently working on some rough math estimations for the change and i will post it later. But the only ones with net win are Coop players, who never step foot into PvP battles.

 

But that biggest loss is for the game in general, because you lost yet another "sense of pride and accomplishment". The achievements are now absolutely meaningless and the whole UI change is pointless, cos nobody cares. They just removed an incentive of proper play and rewarded mediocrity with yet another participation trophy. It's absolutely boneheaded and idiotic move.

[Aragathor]

19 minutes ago, Myrmix said:

I like that they added this possibility. But there was no good reason to remove the flag reward by achievements. Just have both.

Yes, but then they would be breaking the system for skilled players and creating a situation where some people just swim in flags.

Instead they decided to level the field and require player engagement in the form of playing battles. Suddenly everyone can get flags. So maybe they'd play a battle or two more, if they get a special signals box out of it.

It sucks for the guy that could jump into one battle and come out with 50 assorted flags. But that guy most likely has ships the average potato won't ever play.

 

19 minutes ago, Myrmix said:

And sorry, but if I've learned anything about gaming in 15 years, then that you have to fight on every hill and inch you have, because modern gaming companies WILL try to take it.

I've been playing for over 30 years. So?

Not every change is bad, some require adjustments.

But I believe this isn't a bad change in the long run. Hell, now maybe we can get new achievements, for things like tanked damage or spotting.

 

12 minutes ago, Carandraug said:

Even average guy loses, because you will be getting totally random stuff with nothing really guaranteed.

The RNG of the box is a fair point.

 

12 minutes ago, Carandraug said:

But the only ones with net win are Coop players, who never step foot into PvP battles.

Arag says hi. I'm a mostly coop player and I'm not ashamed of it.

 

12 minutes ago, Carandraug said:

But that biggest loss is for the game in general, because you lost yet another "sense of pride and accomplishment".

Right, which means that instead of getting 10x flags once a week the average player gets a steady source of flags.

And he still gets an achievement he can be happy about.

 

12 minutes ago, Carandraug said:

The achievements are now absolutely meaningless and the whole UI change is pointless, cos nobody cares.

Just because you don't care about something if it doesn't come with a reward, doesn't mean that others do too.

 

12 minutes ago, Carandraug said:

They just removed an incentive of proper play and rewarded mediocrity with yet another participation trophy.

As if the average player played to obtain achievements. And they won't be getting the max reward here either.

People who can play well will be stacking those boxes.

 

 

[Myrmix]

Really @Aragathor?

Don't you see how they put effort into removing a reward system, while they just could have kept both?

Leveling the playing field of who exactly?

 

I bet you are the kind of guy who finds out that his colleaque is payed more and walks to his boss to demand that he is payed less, so you both are equally underpaid.

[Carandraug]

Just now, Aragathor said:

Yes, but then they would be breaking the system for skilled players and creating a situation where some people just swim in flags.

Instead they decided to level the field and require player engagement in the form of playing battles. Suddenly everyone can get flags. So maybe they'd play a battle or two more, if they get a special signals out of it.

It sucks for the guy that could jump into one battle and come out with 50 assorted flags. But that guy most likely has ships the average potato won't ever play.

 

I've been playing for over 30 years. So?

Not every change is bad, some require adjustments.

But I believe this isn't a bad change in the long run. Hell, now maybe we can get new achievements, for things like tanked damage or spotting.

 

The RNG of the box is a fair point.

 

Arag says hi. I'm a mostly coop player and I'm not ashamed of it.

 

Right, which means that instead of getting 10x flags once a week the average player gets a steady source of flags.

And he still gets an achievement he can be happy about.

 

Just because you don't care about something if it doesn't come with a reward, doesn't mean that others do too.

 

As if the average player played to obtain achievements. And they won't be getting the max reward here either.

People who can play well will be stacking those boxes.

 

 

Nothing wrong in being a pure Coop player. But that's a very tiny minority of the player base and while i think it's a good idea to give them a source of flags, it's a terrible idea to do that by gutting the whole achievement system and punishing all others. There is ZERO reason to remove all rewards from the achievements. In case they think people are stacking up too much flags (which is not true for majority of players), they could simply cut the achievement flag gains, instead of removing it altogether. Getting ANYTHING with a reward works better than meaningless "yay you win, like all others, do you feel special now ?". And once again no, you won't be "stacking the boxes", in the end even the average player will be gaining LESS flags than before. Because that's the point of the change, nobody ever was complaining about the achievement system before. But it's part of the operation "drain players resources more & force them to spend". It's not a quality of life change, its a pure greed change.

[ColonelPete]

And the masses finally notice...

[Profilus]

20 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

As if the average player played to obtain achievements. And they won't be getting the max reward here either.

People who can play well will be stacking those boxes.

So far it seems to me, that whatever the amount of achievements u get, u still get 1 set of missions daily. So i dont know how better players can stack those boxes over those who get 1 achievement daily.

[ImperialAdmiral]

Reading is truly a very difficult skill these days...