Ise - should I be worried?

[arttuperkunas]

As background, I have never run into the Tone or Ise, so I have no personal experience of them. This is why I am a little bit nervous when I saw the Ise announced, as just as a concept hybrid CVs sounds like a terrible idea.

 

What are your experiences with torpedo Ise? Does it provide a lot of spotting/unfair easy crossfires like real carriers? What is the net effect when you have both hybrids and real carriers in a match? How much does it change the match dynamic?

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, arttuperkunas said:

What is the net effect when you have both hybrids and real carriers in a match? How much does it change the match dynamic? 

 

Hf against a division with a CV and hybrid(s)

Hybrid spots DD, real CV [edited] it to death. Or just crosstorp. Works ofc with any other ship aswell. Sounds like phun, just one more reason to not come back to wows

 

I guess people had too much fun playing midtiers, thats not allowed!

[arttuperkunas]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Hf against a division with a CV and hybrid(s)

Hybrid spots DD, real CV [edited] it to death. Or just crosstorp. Works ofc with any other ship aswell. Sounds like phun, just one more reason to not come back to wows

 

I guess people had too much fun playing midtiers, thats not allowed!

I mainly play DDs at midtiers right now, which is why I am so nervous about this.

 

Do you have personal experience of them, or are these logical inferences?

[N00Boo7]

Got sunk by an ISE the other day in my tier 6 DD, after i escaped normal CV attack..

[Adm_Andre]

I need that Tone for coal  pls gib

[MementoMori_6030]

If I understand WG's MM correctly, you may now have to deal with up to 6 plane squadrons at the same time in a battle, because there can be up to 6 CV/BB - and with all new ships, you are likely to run into swarms of Ises.

"Just dodge" might require to dodge certain tiers now.

[22cm]

18 minutes ago, Adm_Andre said:

I need that Tone for coal  pls gib

Lol. Fool, is for money for sure. 

[DFens_666]

36 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

Do you have personal experience of them, or are these logical inferences? 

 

Didnt happen to me, ive seen/hear it happen when they were in testing.

Thats why there was talk about division restrictions back then, but apparently WG just doesnt give a [edited] - as always... Hybrid should have the same rules as a CV, so one max, and cant div with another CV.

[arttuperkunas]

3 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Didnt happen to me, ive seen/hear it happen when they were in testing.

Thats why there was talk about division restrictions back then, but apparently WG just doesnt give a [edited] - as always... Hybrid should have the same rules as a CV, so one max, and cant div with another CV.

That is, quite frankly, insane.

 

Can @YabbaCoe or other WG employee confirm whether Ise has a. restricted number of slots per team or b. division restrictions? Or is it possible to have, say, 2 Ises and a CV in a division? Because let's be real, that is totally going to happen if it's possible.

 

If there are no restrictions, then grats, you guys will have ruined T5-8 MM in the same way that T4 MM is ruined right now (i.e. 2 CV games).

[bobtherterrible]

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Presumably there'll be some auto firing of the main battery while the player is playing at biggles?

 

I mean we know that CV players can't do ship and planes at the same time, so hwo is this gonna work?

[GarrusBrutus]

26 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

Or is it possible to have, say, 2 Ises and a CV in a division? Because let's be real, that is totally going to happen if it's possible.

Oh yeah, I'd totally spend my dubs on that. That is so next level game breaking.

Imagine clubbing on helpless T5 BBs with triple CV squads, crosstorping them and coordinating attacks to abuse his DCP usage. Game breaking.

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

Hybrid spots DD, real CV [edited] it to death. Or just crosstorp. Works ofc with any other ship aswell. Sounds like phun, just one more reason to not come back to wows

Assuming the hybrids aren't restricted, then that's everything stealthy unplayable in the relevant tiers for the duration; that's assuming the hybrids' planes work in a broadly similar way to regular CV ones.

 

As always, the real threat from planes isn't really the damage (although the return of cross-dropping, if the hybrids get torp bombers, will be 'fun' to deal with), but rather the spotting...

 

 

[invicta2012]

20 minutes ago, bobtherterrible said:

 

I mean we know that CV players can't do ship and planes at the same time, so hwo is this gonna work?

Like it does on the new Dutch cruisers. You can phone in for an airstrike on a specific location. If they haven't made Ise and Tone work this way, they should - the idea of more player controllable planes in the game is very, very silly. 

[N00Boo7]

Funny how the old Captain skills could allow having CV and BB skills  in same time, and now u can't. So.. when u fly the plains on ISE, u use CV  page of captain skills, and when u are using the ship u use the BB page?! 

[tocqueville8]

55 minutes ago, Adm_Andre said:

I need that Tone for coal  pls gib

Every time I see a Tone, I'll be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHKEXsaBFBQ

[Onsterfelijke]

The hybride are very weak as they don't have the right commander skills. They can do both badly (oke they can fly the planes)

[Wulf_Ace]

1 hour ago, arttuperkunas said:

As background, I have never run into the Tone or Ise, so I have no personal experience of them. This is why I am a little bit nervous when I saw the Ise announced, as just as a concept hybrid CVs sounds like a terrible idea.

 

What are your experiences with torpedo Ise? Does it provide a lot of spotting/unfair easy crossfires like real carriers? What is the net effect when you have both hybrids and real carriers in a match? How much does it change the match dynamic?

another cash grabbing ship. since he will be sold for doublons.

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

45 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

That is, quite frankly, insane.

 

Can @YabbaCoe or other WG employee confirm whether Ise has a. restricted number of slots per team or b. division restrictions? Or is it possible to have, say, 2 Ises and a CV in a division? Because let's be real, that is totally going to happen if it's possible.

 

If there are no restrictions, then grats, you guys will have ruined T5-8 MM in the same way that T4 MM is ruined right now (i.e. 2 CV games).

Name a single instance where WG has limited the number of ships in a div, CBs aside. 

[MementoMori_6030]

This is not a div issue, but a MM one. With Ise being a BB and the regularity of 6 BB games, you can expect that games will be swamped by a new premium BB for the time being, div or not, in addition to CV.

[DFens_666]

6 minutes ago, CensorMeDaddyWG said:

Name a single instance where WG has limited the number of ships in a div, CBs aside. 

 

CVs are limited to 1?

Thus restricting CVs+Hybrids to 1 aswell wouldnt be that far fetched.

 

22 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Assuming the hybrids aren't restricted, then that's everything stealthy unplayable in the relevant tiers for the duration; that's assuming the hybrids' planes work in a broadly similar way to regular CV ones. 

 

As always, the real threat from planes isn't really the damage (although the return of cross-dropping, if the hybrids get torp bombers, will be 'fun' to deal with), but rather the spotting...

 

They are a 1:1 copy of CV planes. Work the same way.

I really see a huge problem for DDs here, where the only viable escape will be to smoke up. Even a mediocre CV player together with a hybrid player, can spot a DD so rockets can strike it. And with the miserable DD AA on midtiers, spotting is basicly infinite...

[Verblonde]

23 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

They are a 1:1 copy of CV planes. Work the same way.

I really see a huge problem for DDs here, where the only viable escape will be to smoke up. Even a mediocre CV player together with a hybrid player, can spot a DD so rockets can strike it. And with the miserable DD AA on midtiers, spotting is basicly infinite...

Well, that sucks; I guess someone important at WG caught the person responsible for DDs in bed with his wife, and beloved pet poodle (Fifi). Again.

 

There is no-way WG can't see this coming from orbit, so presumably they've decided that stealth play is too complicated for their 'volume' consumers to deal with...?

[Camperdown]

How do you strike with planes and shoot your guns at the same time in a hybrid?

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 1 Minute, Verblonde sagte:

Well, that sucks; I guess someone important at WG caught the person responsible for DDs in bed with his wife, and beloved pet poodle (Fifi). Again.

It might be rather an attempt to increase plane player population.

[MementoMori_6030]

Gerade eben, Camperdown sagte:

How do you strike with planes and shoot your guns at the same time in a hybrid?

You don't. Presumably you play like CV, switching between manual and autopilot.

[Camperdown]

Just now, MementoMori_6030 said:

You don't. Presumably you play like CV, switching between manual and autopilot.

Odd. But if you play them as CV they should be treated as CV in MM.