Getting really Pig Sick of these two problems

[Cyclops_]

as title.

 

1/ CV players with TX CV with 44% wr overall and bring in to random a Max Imm with 27% wr in it and screw the team over.

 

2/ Constantly when i play T8 always end up in a TX battle.

 

Rant over.

 

[MrWastee]

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/71210-the-carry-harder-thread/

[Cyclops_]

7 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/71210-the-carry-harder-thread/

It did not help that a 3 man division from your clan was on the other side :-(

 

Will send screen shot by pm

[MrWastee]

6 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said:

It did not help that a 3 man division from your clan was on the other side :-(

 

Will send screen shot by pm

tbh, i'm about to join em soon .... i'm sry dude

 

*nvm, they're gone 4 now REEEEE

[bobtherterrible]

1 hour ago, Cyclops_ said:

as title.

 

1/ CV players with TX CV with 44% wr overall and bring in to random a Max Imm with 27% wr in it and screw the team over.

 

2/ Constantly when i play T8 always end up in a TX battle.

 

Rant over.

 

Yeah this is one of the reasons that T8 sucks I think.

 

Was very sad when I got Bismark unlocked and hated it because of this.

T7 is where its at.

[Prophecy82]

Had no more problems with T8 then any other Tier. Blowouts and Mongs exist... at any Tier. 

Bad CVs gimping the own team on the other hand.... yea. 

Skillbased MM for CVs then? 

I know of a few guys who would wait for ages then. 

[Nibenay78]

3 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

1/ CV players with TX CV with 44% wr overall and bring in to random a Max Imm with 27% wr in it and screw the team over.

 

But given that CVs are fine and balanced, having a useless one shouldn't impact more than having a useless other ship..right?? 

[Cyclops_]

4 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

 

But given that CVs are fine and balanced, having a useless one shouldn't impact more than having a useless other ship..right?? 

Eeerrrr No,  if you have a bad CV player you really are on the back foot from the start.

[Nibenay78]

Just now, Cyclops_ said:

Eeerrrr No,  if you have a bad CV player you really are on the back foot from the start.

Obvious sarcasm should be obvious.

 

But indeed it is so with these fine and balanced ships.

[inkedsoulz]

38 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

Had no more problems with T8 then any other Tier. Blowouts and Mongs exist... at any Tier. 

Bad CVs gimping the own team on the other hand.... yea. 

Skillbased MM for CVs then? 

I know of a few guys who would wait for ages then. 

 

You can play cv urself, that way u can make sure that the cv in ur team is not a mong.

[CherryWood]

Seriously, I actually counted the games yesterday and there was 6 games I played that were decided from the start just because one CV decided to actually scout and play to the class (ridiculous) strengths and the other did not. To give one player in random non-skillwise MM so much influence on the match is just atrocious! And no, there were not a fun challenging matches...

 

But Im not sure about the T8 issue, the other team have T8 too so why that's a problem? Ships like Bart that definitelly belong to tier higher maybe, but otherwise...

[Prophecy82]

21 minutes ago, inkedsoulz said:

 

You can play cv urself, that way u can make sure that the cv in ur team is not a mong.

 

I can. But after 3 Battles in a row my brain starts melting due to dumb gameplay...

[lup3s]

4 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

1/ CV players with TX CV with 44% wr overall and bring in to random a Max Imm with 27% wr in it and screw the team over.

 

braindead class attracts braindead players

[Alteisen]

2 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

braindead class attracts braindead players

I see that's the reason why there are so many bad Smolensks, Thunderers and Smalands.

[lup3s]

Just now, Alteisen said:

I see that's the reason why there are so many bad Smolensks, Thunderers and Smalands.

 

There are many bad players in every ship (class) - though none can have the impact the CV class has.

 

Also calling it "CV" is way too much credit for most, "malfunctioning airfield" would apply better.

[Miscommunication_dept]

5 hours ago, bobtherterrible said:

Yeah this is one of the reasons that T8 sucks I think.

 

Was very sad when I got Bismark unlocked and hated it because of this.

T7 is where its at.

T7 is far worse than T8 now.

[Lootboxer]

6 hours ago, gopher31 said:

T7 is far worse than T8 now.

This. I like t8 as I have a chance vs T10 but most of t7 are a food for all those special OP T9s plus overmatch threshold. 

[shlimo]

19 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

2/ Constantly when i play T8 always end up in a TX battle

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/update-087-french-destroyers-part-2/#game-mechanics

 

this works for me quite well. :)

[BLUB__BLUB]

21 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

1/ CV players with TX CV with 44% wr overall and bring in to random a Max Imm with 27% wr in it and screw the team over.

Eh, when I play those "malfunctioning airfields" usually one, two or three of the following things happen:

 

1. they start spamming all over the map and require spotting everywhere, forgetting that they also have DDs;

2. they expect you to delete all the enemy DDs, no matter if they are all Hallands and you are in a T8 CV;

3. they forget that they have radar cruisers... 

 

4: On top of that, then you get some that hang back in their T8 cruisers, and even shoot at you.

Because they want you to spot for them even if they can't hit anything as everything is further that they could shoot.

And yes then you end up in the top 3 of the losing team. Enemy CV wins, even though he is almost bottom of the pile.

 

Tell me why CVs shouldn't just not give a damn and just farm whatever XP they can get.
Probably because you're on of the 1-2-3 above, and have perfect understanding of number 4? 

 

[viceadmiral123]

22 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

as title.

 

1/ CV players with TX CV with 44% wr overall and bring in to random a Max Imm with 27% wr in it and screw the team over.

 

2/ Constantly when i play T8 always end up in a TX battle.

 

Rant over.

 

Planes and uptiered is recipe for 3k+ bxp reward.

Otherwise autopilot to center of map and alt-tab, come back in 5min to play some other ship.

[bobtherterrible]

8 hours ago, DariusJacek said:

This. I like t8 as I have a chance vs T10 but most of t7 are a food for all those special OP T9s plus overmatch threshold. 

Meh, I've enjoyed all teh T7 BBs (apart from the stressball which I can't get to work) 

 

T8 BBs have all been horrible (well this is only he Bismark and Monarch)

 

 

Please tell me there's a T8 Tech tree ship out there that doesn't suck...............

[bobtherterrible]

I think part of the problem is that some of these botes get reputations:

 

Monarch? That's rubbish, let's all shoot at the easy kill

 

Bismark? Makes a pretty bonfire, let's raze it with HE

 

The other thing is that at T7 you meet maybe T8 CVs, maybe T6 CVs.

 

At T8 you nearly always meet T8 CVs and sometimes T10 CVs

 

All adds to the fun packed experience ;-)

[Cyclops_]

1 hour ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Eh, when I play those "malfunctioning airfields" usually one, two or three of the following things happen:

 

1. they start spamming all over the map and require spotting everywhere, forgetting that they also have DDs;

2. they expect you to delete all the enemy DDs, no matter if they are all Hallands and you are in a T8 CV;

3. they forget that they have radar cruisers... 

 

4: On top of that, then you get some that hang back in their T8 cruisers, and even shoot at you.

Because they want you to spot for them even if they can't hit anything as everything is further that they could shoot.

And yes then you end up in the top 3 of the losing team. Enemy CV wins, even though he is almost bottom of the pile.

 

Tell me why CVs shouldn't just not give a damn and just farm whatever XP they can get.
Probably because you're on of the 1-2-3 above, and have perfect understanding of number 4? 

 

 

Dear BLUB_BLUB, your CV credentials are not in question at all and I agree with your comments, But  I am on about as i quoted a useless CV player who insists on getting a TX CV and INSISTS on playing Random games ONLY in it and screwing his team over as he can not learn how to play it and probably never will.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said:

 

Dear BLUB_BLUB, your CV credentials are not in question at all and I agree with your comments, But  I am on about as i quoted a useless CV player who insists on getting a TX CV and INSISTS on playing Random games ONLY in it and screwing his team over as he can not learn how to play it and probably never will.

 

... to the delight of the enemy team.

 

Just think, if the MM were to match both teams with hopeless CV's, everyone would win!

 

As for having a T8 in a T10 battle, as long as it isn't a cruiser I don't personally have any problems with this as long as you got a team that you can depend on. If you haven't got that team, it makes zero difference what tier you are playing, so the issue is not with the tier difference but with team performance, IMO. Just yesterday, I was bravely facing off Yamato in my Masachusetsu. I survived!

 

Because I had team mates who took care of the Yamato.

 

At least I helped.

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just now, Cyclops_ said:

Dear BLUB_BLUB, your CV credentials are not in question at all and I agree with your comments, But  I am on about as i quoted a useless CV player who insists on getting a TX CV and INSISTS on playing Random games ONLY in it and screwing his team over as he can not learn how to play it and probably never will.

But also I am not at all unicum, just a bit savvy. 

Have a look at my solo WR and when in division - aks yourself how the difference exists.
This is because when in a div I have teammates that actually shoot the DD that I am spotting, for instance.

However, you get teams these days that I cannot even save in a division AND with FDR. 

The WR still suffers. But even if you win, it is usually a ROFLSTOMP - and you can't farm any damage.

I have tried to see what is the SOLO difference, hunting DDs for the team or just farming damage. 

Well:

- if you hunt DDs you get no damage but just a slightly better WR and you bleed credits...

- if you just farm BBs (or do whatever else the used CV does best) you get fat damage, earn lots of credits, and WR stays ~same...

 

Low damage and a WR of ~40% doesn't automatically mean he is totally numb. He also lacks teammates.

It also means that WeeGee have made a one-trick-pony: German CVs usually cannot kill DDs very well. 
Same as FDR (can't hit DD for crap, but at least he can keep a DD spotted into eternity... at the cost of his damage...).
 

What I mean is that players expect a CV to win the match for them, which they often cannot do alone.

Which is exactly what the playerbase wanted. They wanted CVs nerfed. Example: CV spot/kill that DD (T8 german Cv vs Halland, yeah right)
It is a case of WeeGee giving what was asked, and then they still moan - if the "asked for" CV is on their side. 

 

So: yes that Immelmann is not gonna spot DDs (average result: he cannot kill them anyway) - and he has flimsy planes.
What he should do is farm the (deadeye Thunderer...) BBs  at the rear, which is what he is best at.

That also means the DDs and radar cruiser actually have to do their jobs, and in my experience they usually DO NOT. 

IF I am in a division THEN WE usually manage to do it FOR THEM but a solo CV player has to be VERY GOOD to pull that off.

 

And that is also (IMO) why some CVs get that WR. It is NOT because they do not do their jobs. 

It is, at least partly, due to the rest of the team going "that CV has to do it", or else "our CV suck" and so on. 

 

That said I have seen T10 CVs indeed that have < 25%WR... but usually similar on the surface ships... yeah those are just BAD.