Warships Size Comparison: Cruisers

[The_EURL_Guy]

From small to vast—we present the diversity of cruisers!

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[SPIDERBAIT]

"actually been launched"

[YabbaCoe]

Před 10 minutami SPIDERBAIT řekl/a:

"actually been launched"

Not entirely, as we mentioned: laid down, built or launched

[NewHorizons_1]

Perth : I'm lonely, all on my own

Irian, Huanghe, Nueve de Julio : At least you got included

[hellhound666]

does it explain also why supercruisers were nerfed by removing fire prevention skill but fire duration remain at the level of bb's and when the nerf will be compnsated?

[SPIDERBAIT]

12 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Not entirely, as we mentioned: laid down, built or launched

"In World of Warships, the cruiser is a type of multipurpose "all-rounder" warship. With a good balance between firepower, endurance, and speed, they are a pain in the neck for behemoth battleships and sneaky destroyers alike. In this episode, we take a look at ships of this type that have actually been built and launched, and which also feature in World of Warships."

 

Why not just feature everything from each tech tree?

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

1 minute ago, YabbaCoe said:

Not entirely, as we mentioned: laid down, built or launched

You should have made a model of what Stalingrad actually looked like and what it was used for... a Hulk for target practice. A pretty good representation of the state of the game, actually, shove half-finished crap out so it can have some use at least.

 

Also, why were Emden and Prinz Eugen excluded from the list of German ships? Kirov and Molotov were both featured, despite them being the same class, yet the Dresden-class ship Emden, which has a more illustrious and glorious history than the entire Soviet Navy, gets the short end of the stick, huh? I know it's supposed to be a size comparison, but do the Russians really need to compensate THAT hard? The fact that Molotov was 10 cm longer than Kirov is probably due to the dock-workers were drunk, anyway. 

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

1 minute ago, SPIDERBAIT said:

"In World of Warships, the cruiser is a type of multipurpose "all-rounder" warship. With a good balance between firepower, endurance, and speed, they are a pain in the neck for behemoth battleships and sneaky destroyers alike. In this episode, we take a look at ships of this type that have actually been built and launched, and which also feature in World of Warships."

To be fair, Stalingrad was launched. Or rather, what part of her was finished, which was most of the hull. It was used for target practice. They should have named her 'Soviet Soldier', after what they did to their soldiers during WW2. Half-baked and shoved out for target practice for the Germans. 

[SPIDERBAIT]

7 minutes ago, CensorMeDaddyWG said:

You should have made a model of what Stalingrad actually looked like and what it was used for... a Hulk for target practice. A pretty good representation of the state of the game, actually, shove half-finished crap out so it can have some use at least.

 

Also, why were Emden and Prinz Eugen excluded from the list of German ships? Kirov and Molotov were both featured, despite them being the same class, yet the Dresden-class ship Emden, which has a more illustrious and glorious history than the entire Soviet Navy, gets the short end of the stick, huh? I know it's supposed to be a size comparison, but do the Russians really need to compensate THAT hard? The fact that Molotov was 10 cm longer than Kirov is probably due to the dock-workers were drunk, anyway. 

I stand corrected, I never knew the Stalingrad actually made it out of dry dock. You learn something new every day!

[YabbaCoe]

Před 11 minutami NewHorizons_1 řekl/a:

Perth : I'm lonely, all on my own

Irian, Huanghe, Nueve de Julio : At least you got included

Good question with those, I will ask why those weren't included, but maybe it was because they were sisterships to other ships already visible in those lists

 

Před 4 minutami CensorMeDaddyWG řekl/a:

You should have made a model of what Stalingrad actually looked like and what it was used for... a Hulk for target practice. A pretty good representation of the state of the game, actually, shove half-finished crap out so it can have some use at least.

 

Also, why were Emden and Prinz Eugen excluded from the list of German ships? Kirov and Molotov were both featured, despite them being the same class, yet the Dresden-class ship Emden, which has a more illustrious and glorious history than the entire Soviet Navy, gets the short end of the stick, huh? I know it's supposed to be a size comparison, but do the Russians really need to compensate THAT hard? The fact that Molotov was 10 cm longer than Kirov is probably due to the dock-workers were drunk, anyway. 

In these videos we mostly wanted to show the lenght of those ships.  Emden was completely the same as Dresden and Eugen was a sistership to Hipper.

It was like this last time that Bismarck was there, but not Tirpitz etc.

But with Kirov Molotov... good point

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

12 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Good question with those, I will ask why those weren't included, but maybe it was because they were sisterships to other ships already visible in those lists

 

In these videos we mostly wanted to show the lenght of those ships.  Emden was completely the same as Dresden and Eugen was a sistership to Hipper.

It was like this last time that Bismarck was there, but not Tirpitz etc.

But with Kirov Molotov... good point

Molotov was technically a Kirov-class, but she was 10cm longer due to a change to the armor layout or something. Still not enough to warrant their own spot, imho.

 

While Prinz Eugen was an Admiral Hipper Class, she was longer than Admiral Hipper herself. Eugen was 207.7 meters when she launched, and after installation of a Clipper (or Atlantik) Bow, she was 212.5 meters long, while Admiral Hipper was 202.8 and 205.9 befor/after refit respectively. So Prinz Eugen should absolutely be here, on her own. 

 

Also, for completion, Prinz Eugen should also show up as USS Prinz Eugen in the US lineup, as well, since she's a WW2 ship that was launched and sailed under US Flag. 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 7 minutami CensorMeDaddyWG řekl/a:

Molotov was technically a Kirov-class, but she was 10cm longer due to a change to the armor layout or something. Still not enough to warrant their own spot, imho.

 

While Prinz Eugen was an Admiral Hipper Class, she was longer than Admiral Hipper herself. Eugen was 207.7 meters when she launched, and after installation of a Clipper (or Atlantik) Bow, she was 212.5 meters long, while Admiral Hipper was 202.8 and 205.9 befor/after refit respectively. So Prinz Eugen should absolutely be here, on her own. 

Also good point. I will ask about Eugen too.

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

15 minutes ago, SPIDERBAIT said:

I stand corrected, I never knew the Stalingrad actually made it out of dry dock. You learn something new every day!

Well, most of her Hull. She was never completed. Hull was ~70% done, it was more of a floating steel shell than a ship. Instead of scrapping her, like her two sister-ships Moskva and Kronshtadt/Archangelsk (the third was never given a name, so these are speculation) which were significantly behind in construction, the Soviet Union decided to use her for target practice. Stalingrad had no Stern or Bow, it was just the armored middle-section of the ship.  

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

1 minute ago, YabbaCoe said:

Also good point. I will ask about Eugen too.

Thanks. I'm fine if she makes it into the US lineup as USS Prince Eugen, just to enrage the Wehraboos =)

[YabbaCoe]

Před 3 minutami CensorMeDaddyWG řekl/a:

Thanks. I'm fine if she makes it into the US lineup as USS Prince Eugen, just to enrage the Wehraboos =)

Well, I can't promise you any edits of this video, but I will surely pass the points and questions further

[SPIDERBAIT]

5 minutes ago, CensorMeDaddyWG said:

Well, most of her Hull. She was never completed. Hull was ~70% done, it was more of a floating steel shell than a ship. Instead of scrapping her, like her two sister-ships Moskva and Kronshtadt/Archangelsk (the third was never given a name, so these are speculation) which were significantly behind in construction, the Soviet Union decided to use her for target practice. Stalingrad had no Stern or Bow, it was just the armored middle-section of the ship.  

Very interesting, seems like a waste of a lot of steel

[zFireWyvern]

3 hours ago, CensorMeDaddyWG said:

Molotov was technically a Kirov-class, but she was 10cm longer due to a change to the armor layout or something. Still not enough to warrant their own spot, imho.

Not just a change in armour layout (though Molotov and her sister were modified and improved versions of the earlier Kirovs), her entire stern section was replaced with the stern of a Chapayev-class cruiser in 1942 after she was damaged by a torpedo. You can see in this photo, just forward of the fifth aftmost porthole where the Project 68 stern was attached to the Project 26bis hull and doesn't match up quite right. This is also reflected in her in-game model, unique and interesting enough to be included in the video I think.

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There's not really much need to be this petty about it;

3 hours ago, CensorMeDaddyWG said:

The fact that Molotov was 10 cm longer than Kirov is probably due to the dock-workers were drunk, anyway. 

[Aragathor]

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the cruiser is a type of multipurpose "all-rounder" warship

Indeed, it can be easily sunk by torps from a DD as it has no torpedo protection, it can be deleted by a BB broadside as it has no armor, or it can be bombed to death by a CV as it's AA has been nerfed to the ground.

An all-round punching bag of a class.

[BruceRKF]

So what exactly were the criteria for ships to be featured? With the BBs, it was ships launched, now we have ships laid down included as well. Also, why is Lazo here? I realise that she is supposed to represent a Chapayev-class ship if it had been completed before the end of WW2, but none of the Chapayev class ships were called Lazo, so she did not exist.

Don't get me wrong, I like those kind of videos, but some consistency in what is included would be nice (others have already mentioned other discrepancies, e.g. Kirov-Molotov are both there, but not Hipper-Eugen).

And a gameplay-related question that came to my mind again when watching the video: Is it possible to add a hotkey that locks the turrets in their standard position (like in port or before the battles starts). Not only would it make for better screenshots, it would also help if you are not sure where you need to have your turrets pointed for the next engagement and safe you from having to turn them a full 180° or more.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

51 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Indeed, it can be easily sunk by torps from a DD as it has no torpedo protection, it can be deleted by a BB broadside as it has no armor, or it can be bombed to death by a CV as it's AA has been nerfed to the ground.

An all-round punching bag of a class.

" In World of Warships, the cruiser is a type of multipurpose "all-rounder" warship target."

FTFY Wargaming.

[Wicket_Boomber]

Ok where are Polish cruisers ORP Baltyk , ORP Dragon , ORP Konrad ? ;P

[NewHorizons_1]

5 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

Good question with those, I will ask why those weren't included, but maybe it was because they were sisterships to other ships already visible in those lists

Cheers. It just looked a little odd that a cruiser comparison featured one ship on its own, with nothing to compare against.

And then none of the other tech tree lines with few cruisers, were not covered.

Aside from that little anomaly, it was another interesting video, especially as it shows the displacement.

What did stick out though was USS St. Louis - at nearly 11000t she really was built like a brick privvy.

 

[HystericalAccuracy]

Nice, that the ships were put closely together and that the perspective covered many ships at once, so that a size-comparison actually was possible. Well done this time! 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 13 hodinami BruceRKF řekl/a:

So what exactly were the criteria for ships to be featured? With the BBs, it was ships launched, now we have ships laid down included as well. Also, why is Lazo here? I realise that she is supposed to represent a Chapayev-class ship if it had been completed before the end of WW2, but none of the Chapayev class ships were called Lazo, so she did not exist.

Don't get me wrong, I like those kind of videos, but some consistency in what is included would be nice (others have already mentioned other discrepancies, e.g. Kirov-Molotov are both there, but not Hipper-Eugen).

And a gameplay-related question that came to my mind again when watching the video: Is it possible to add a hotkey that locks the turrets in their standard position (like in port or before the battles starts). Not only would it make for better screenshots, it would also help if you are not sure where you need to have your turrets pointed for the next engagement and safe you from having to turn them a full 180° or more.

Understood. We asked for some information about Lazo, too, as we don't know, why it was actually included there. Same with München.

 

Před 11 hodinami Wicket_Boomber řekl/a:

Ok where are Polish cruisers ORP Baltyk , ORP Dragon , ORP Konrad ? ;P

Not in the game.

 

Před 11 hodinami NewHorizons_1 řekl/a:

Cheers. It just looked a little odd that a cruiser comparison featured one ship on its own, with nothing to compare against.

And then none of the other tech tree lines with few cruisers, were not covered.

Aside from that little anomaly, it was another interesting video, especially as it shows the displacement.

What did stick out though was USS St. Louis - at nearly 11000t she really was built like a brick privvy.

 

I am glad, that you like the video. It atleast show how the development went for each nation.

 

Před 9 hodinami VIadoCro řekl/a:

Nice, that the ships were put closely together and that the perspective covered many ships at once, so that a size-comparison actually was possible. Well done this time! 

Thank you. It is the main purpose of this video to really show the size comparison of those ships.

[Wicket_Boomber]

On 5/13/2021 at 10:17 AM, YabbaCoe said:

Understood. We asked for some information about Lazo, too, as we don't know, why it was actually included there. Same with München.

 

Not in the game.

 

I am glad, that you like the video. It atleast show how the development went for each nation.

 

Thank you. It is the main purpose of this video to really show the size comparison of those ships.

Well if ORP Baltyk , ORP Dragon , & ORP Conrad are not in game ... WG need to change that as ... customer have allways right .

 

(BTW ORP Dragon & ORP Conrad was where Danae class RN cruisers ex HMS Dragon & ... HMS Danae so yes one Polish cruiser exist in the game )