Best tier 8 battleship for a new player

[ArmedPenguin75]

So i am a relatively new player and a huge battleship fanatic, and i want a tier 8 premium to accelerate research for tech trees (American, Italian and French trees) and i feel like i need a higher tier premium to achieve that the fastest, i have a few options and i am not sure which one to pick? The options are: Vanguard, Tirpitz, Alabama, Gascogne, Roma and Lenin. I am asking you because there is no test option for premium ships and i do not know their strenghts?

 

Any help is appreciated, thanks.

[ColonelPete]

Depends on how new you are.

What is your highest Battleship Tier and on which Tier do you feel comfortable?

[ArmedPenguin75]

7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Depends on how new you are.

What is your highest Battleship Tier and on which Tier do you feel comfortable?

My highest battleship is the T6 Dunkerque (but highest tier in general will be CA New Orleans in a couple of battles), but for the past 15(ish) battles i kept getting uptiered, which makes me think i should get a T8 and keep researching other nations, so basically i really need a ship that can get me lots of FXP

[Pururut]

22 minutes ago, ArmedPenguin75 said:

I am asking you because there is no test option for premium ships and i do not know their strenghts?

Invest some time in WoWS wiki and Youtube then. The information you are looking for is out there. Wiki for reading game mechanics and Youtube for obtaining a second hand perspective on how the game plays in higher tiers compared to mid and low. 

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, ArmedPenguin75 said:

My highest battleship is the T6 Dunkerque (but highest tier in general will be CA New Orleans in a couple of battles), but for the past 15(ish) battles i kept getting uptiered, which makes me think i should get a T8 and keep researching other nations, so basically i really need a ship that can get me lots of FXP

Then Tier VIII is not for you, as Tier VIII gets uptiered to Tier X.

 

And the difference in Free XP is not that big compared to Tier VI and in general the Free XP gain for new players is not suffcient to research whole nations. It is better to play them.

 

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

Why simply its the Tirpitz of course. Not the best, but a ton of fun- which is why any newbie looking for a tier 8 BB ends up buying it. IT HAS TORPEDOS!

[SPIDERBAIT]

Lenin is perfect, especially if your newish. extremely strong frontal armour will help you even when uptiered, massive side citadel will teach you quickly about not showing broadside.

[Miscommunication]

3 hours ago, ArmedPenguin75 said:

So i am a relatively new player and a huge battleship fanatic, and i want a tier 8 premium to accelerate research for tech trees (American, Italian and French trees) and i feel like i need a higher tier premium to achieve that the fastest, i have a few options and i am not sure which one to pick? The options are: Vanguard, Tirpitz, Alabama, Gascogne, Roma and Lenin. I am asking you because there is no test option for premium ships and i do not know their strenghts?

 

Any help is appreciated, thanks.

I've just looked at your stats - please do not buy a T8 ship yet, as you don't have the required experience or skill level to potentially play in T10 games (you only have 80 battles in the game currently, aside from Co-op ones which don't count).

 

31 of your 50 battleship battles have come in the T6 Dunkerque, and judging by your stats you're really not doing great in it (15k average damage per game, 45% W/R). This is fine, it just indicates that you need to go back to basics and learn to play the ship class, rather than jumping straight into a higher tier premium.

 

You've played no games in any T3 battleship, so that's where I'd indicate you start. If you want to grind the US BB line, then go ahead and buy the South Carolina, and rather than free-exping straight to T4/5, you need to grind it properly which will also help you pick up the basic skills that you need to do well.

 

You should then continue grinding till at least T7/8 before you even start to think about buying a T8 premium. If you want a low-tier US BB to help you grind captains, then I'd suggest maybe taking a look at USS Texas once you've reached the New York, as they are very similar ships and Texas is pretty strong as a medium/top tier BB.

 

If you build the foundations by learning to play the ships properly it will really help you long term, causing you to be a better player which in turn will help you have more fun

 

I don't mind doing a few games in division with you if you feel it'd help you, just send me a DM here.

[gabberworld]

Richelieu

 

and then comes

 

Monarch

 

those are my best, but everyone plays differently

[tocqueville8]

4 hours ago, ArmedPenguin75 said:

i want a tier 8 premium to accelerate research for tech trees

You mean to grind credits? How would playing a premium accelerate research?

 

Also, how did you only do 15k average in the Dunkerque? 1 CV game, zero damage? 3k average damage in the Montecuccoli?!?

 

Forget premiums, you're not leading your targets!

[Bad_Players_Are_Toxic]

4 hours ago, ArmedPenguin75 said:

My highest battleship is the T6 Dunkerque

 

https://wows-numbers.com/player/577608703,ArmedPenguin75/ <---- that's you.

 

80 battles and this is your logic?

 

I look forward to you buying a ship you have no idea how to play while you're still a terrible player.

 

I look forward to running into you in my tier 10 and devastating you as you're a terrible player.

 

I just want to take this time to say thankyou for all the easy XP i'll farm from you without doing any damage to me in return due to you being a terrible and new player.

 

 

On a slightly serious note. Never buy a premium higher tiered than you've played. You have no idea about radar's, overmatch, tactics, OP Research Bureau ships etc.

 

You'll go from learning a few things and doing a bit of damage > Doing literally nothing, learning even less and just ruining your teams enjoyment of the battle.

 

If you WANT to be that selfish player, fair enough. I return you to my first 3 comments.

[gabberworld]

41 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

You mean to grind credits?

 

 

if he plans get tier 8  bb because of that then its really bad idea as you can get credit in tier 6 as well

[S_h_i_v_a]

You were already told why you should NOT buy a T8 BB.

 

But if you want to exercise your right to decide for yourself: there are 2 ways to help you:

1. chck the stats on the Wikia, because not all BBs are used the same way.

    https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Lenin

    https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Gascogne

   They have different guns, reload times, ranges, armors, AA, sone even have torps. 

2. chck youtube. Simple digit "WoWs + Shipname + review" and you find lot of videos.

   https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wows+tirpitz+review+     

 

NOTE: i'm not telling you to spend money. But if you want to, this is the way.

 

[ArmedPenguin75]

On 5/12/2021 at 4:05 AM, ArmedPenguin75 said:

So i am a relatively new player and a huge battleship fanatic, and i want a tier 8 premium to accelerate research for tech trees (American, Italian and French trees) and i feel like i need a higher tier premium to achieve that the fastest, i have a few options and i am not sure which one to pick? The options are: Vanguard, Tirpitz, Alabama, Gascogne, Roma and Lenin. I am asking you because there is no test option for premium ships and i do not know their strenghts?

 

Any help is appreciated, thanks.

OKAY so, with yalls help, i decided to buy Lenin or Tirpitz.. BUT hold up.... i swear i wont use it until i reach the t8 soviet or getman bb, i wouldnt buy it if it wasnt for the fact it WILL get pulled from the store soon

[ArmedPenguin75]

1 minute ago, ArmedPenguin75 said:

OKAY so, with yalls help, i decided to buy Lenin or Tirpitz.. BUT hold up.... i swear i wont use it until i reach the t8 soviet or getman bb, i wouldnt buy it if it wasnt for the fact it WILL get pulled from the store soon

also one more question, is there any good person on youtube that makes guides that are still relevant after the cv and commander rework?

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, ArmedPenguin75 said:

OKAY so, with yalls help, i decided to buy Lenin or Tirpitz.. BUT hold up.... i swear i wont use it until i reach the t8 soviet or getman bb, i wouldnt buy it if it wasnt for the fact it WILL get pulled from the store soon

If you're worried about missing out, you needn't worry about Tirpitz - as far as I know, she isn't going anywhere. Lenin is being removed though.

 

The Dev Blog (and the usual news items, of course) isn't a bad place to keep an eye on this sort of thing: https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/140

 

BTW if you want to learn, it's a good idea to join a clan which has members willing to teach (on voice comms, for maximum efficiency); it'll also give you some economic bonuses if they have a developed base.

[totally_potato]

On 5/12/2021 at 4:35 PM, ArmedPenguin75 said:

So i am a relatively new player and a huge battleship fanatic, and i want a tier 8 premium to accelerate research for tech trees (American, Italian and French trees) and i feel like i need a higher tier premium to achieve that the fastest, i have a few options and i am not sure which one to pick? The options are: Vanguard, Tirpitz, Alabama, Gascogne, Roma and Lenin. I am asking you because there is no test option for premium ships and i do not know their strengths?

 

Any help is appreciated, thanks.

actually I think Lenin is getting removed in 10.5, so I suggest you buy that. 

Its a good package. 

Soviet Nelson 

It has three forward turrets, good armor but exposed cit, some good AP but trash HE (not that you'll use HE in a soviet BB ofc), soviet damage cons (very fast reload so it can be a lifesaver, but unlike other nations, its limited), good firing angles, fairly good stealth.

It'll teach you some classic BB values. I'd really suggest getting it coz its a good BB and its being removed. 

Any other BB? Depends on what you want. You want a sniper, go Champagne although I really hate it. You want a brawler, go Tirpitz. You want a good close to mid range fighter, go Roma. Want a T8 warspite experience? Go vanguard. Massa is an all round good BB. Want a BB that can kind of snipe and kind of Brawl? Go Kii. There are quite a few options available. Alabama is a different NC, so you can go for that, and is a fairly good captain trainer for American BBs. Gascogne is trash. It has the fast heals but that's it. I'd rather play a Richelieu than a Gascogne.

 

There those are my opinions

 

[totally_potato]

On 5/12/2021 at 9:12 PM, But_Can_You_Meme said:

80 battles and this is your logic?

 

I look forward to you buying a ship you have no idea how to play while you're still a terrible player.

 

I look forward to running into you in my tier 10 and devastating you as you're a terrible player.

 

I just want to take this time to say thankyou for all the easy XP i'll farm from you without doing any damage to me in return due to you being a terrible and new player.

So you expect new players to be unicums

On a serious note, you could have been a bit nice

[totally_potato]

On 5/12/2021 at 4:35 PM, ArmedPenguin75 said:

Any help is appreciated, thanks.

I gave you a list of my opinions. And by all means, go and buy the Lenin. But you gotta learn the basics

I think the German BBs or Soviet BBs can you teach you that while still having fun. Nassau and Knyaz and T3 are literally the best T3 BBs, so i suggest you play them first and learn the basics. You can buy a Lenin, but I'd say first go to T10 in a tech tree grind, then play Lenin. I'd say play the soviet BBs first. All are tough when you angle correctly, but you get punished for bad plays and that'll teach you BB gameplay. Also a well played Soviet BB does more for the team than any other well played BB imo.

Basic build:-

[Bad_Players_Are_Toxic]

11 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

So you expect new players to be unicums

Where did i say that?

 

I simply stated that i look forward to killing him risk free. If he's wanting to play at a level he has no knowledge of or or skill for, i will simply enjoy farming him while he has no idea what's happening lol

 

16 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

On a serious note, you could have been a bit nice

He wants to buy a ship he has no idea how to play, at a level he has no idea how to play at. Against ships he doesn't even know. IN A TEAM BASED GAME.

 

He's a toxic individual. I was nicer than he deserves 

[Bad_Players_Are_Toxic]

4 hours ago, ArmedPenguin75 said:

OKAY so, with yalls help, i decided to buy Lenin or Tirpitz.. BUT hold up.... i swear i wont use it until i reach the t8 soviet or getman bb, i wouldnt buy it if it wasnt for the fact it WILL get pulled from the store soon

If this is what you do then buying the Lenin is the only option. It's the one being removed.

 

For YT video's and guides check out - PotatoQuality, Flamu, Flambass and Aeroon. IChase has some guides but the most detailed guides are from LittleWhiteMouse.

 

LWM has a section in the forums and on YT.

[Verblonde]

30 minutes ago, But_Can_You_Meme said:

He's a toxic individual. I was nicer than he deserves 

Toxic is possibly a trifle harsh? This smells to me like the classic 'newbie buying a too high tier premium without knowing what to do with it' thing that we see pretty much every week, and a lot of us have done ourselves at one time or another (the IS-6 on my NA WOT account was mine).

 

On the up-side, this one found the forum and asked sensible questions; that's a big improvement on some of the unfortunate specimens I see in game...?

[ArmedPenguin75]

dont [edited]argue it aint what i made this post for

[Verblonde]

17 minutes ago, ArmedPenguin75 said:

dont [edited]argue it aint what i made this post for

Ah, you must be new here...?

 

[Bad_Players_Are_Toxic]

19 hours ago, ArmedPenguin75 said:

dont [edited]argue it aint what i made this post for

There is no argument. Just a discussion. Give it time in the game, you'll see a REAL argument in no time lol

 

There are literally thousands of battles ruined everyday by new players buying tier 8 and 9's and then doing nothing in them. You may get a lot more sh*t than you expect when you start playing your nice shiney new toy.

 

I may be curt or blunt but i mean no offence. I just don't sugar coat. Others though, once you get into battles WILL mean to upset you or bait a reasction.

 

20 hours ago, Verblonde said:

On the up-side, this one found the forum and asked sensible questions; that's a big improvement on some of the unfortunate specimens I see in game...?

 

I agree he's at least making an effort.

 

20 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Toxic is possibly a trifle harsh? This smells to me like the classic 'newbie buying a too high tier premium without knowing what to do with it' thing that we see pretty much every week, and a lot of us have done ourselves at one time or another (the IS-6 on my NA WOT account was mine).

 

Classic, yes. Common, yes. Done it myself, never.

 

He will cause toxic gameplay. That's is the reasoning behind the usage. He may be a nice person irl but his effect on gameplay and his teammates will only be toxic.

 

In the end it's his right as a customer to buy whatever he wishes. We can only hope i am wrong and he is not a future ''typical WOWS player''.

 

I look forward to being proven wrong