Hey WG i cant spot ant IT BBs? Why?

[_Conan_Librarian_]

No IT BBs in game at all. I wonder why another new line suck? Why you wasted time and resources for IT BBs? Same thing with Vermont line. Great dev team and decision making WG. You beat even EA. Cant w8 for submarines or another line with smoke.

Pathetic

[tocqueville8]

Well they're fairly new lines, so most people you find playing BBs at high tiers will be playing something else...because they *have* something else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

(but yeah I don't like them, either)

 

[_Conan_Librarian_]

5 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

Well they're fairly new lines, so most people you find playing BBs at high tiers will be playing something else...because they *have* something else

Well, they suck for most ppl, short range, horrible dispersion, looong reload, low HP pool, bad concealment (Roma got great, why rest IT got bad?), worst AA , useless secondary armament (even with IFHE you wont pen most targets)

[tocqueville8]

Yeah I'm not good enough to make them work.

 

I grinded the Caracciolo and got the Veneto, but I'm finding it *much* more pleasant to regrind the Amagi for RB points: more guns, bigger caliber, better reload, better dispersion.

I can forgive a lot to a BB if she's got good gunnery, and these ones don't.

 

The smoke is much less useful than on cruisers due to the huge firing penalty; the AA and hp pool don't look to smart; and I'd happily sacrifice some turret traverse for accuracy and/or range.

[El2aZeR]

I see them fairly frequently at least in mid tiers tbh.

[ColonelPete]

3 hours ago, _Conan_Librarian_ said:

No IT BBs in game at all. I wonder why another new line suck? Why you wasted time and resources for IT BBs? Same thing with Vermont line. Great dev team and decision making WG. You beat even EA. Cant w8 for submarines or another line with smoke.

Pathetic

Francesco is the most played ship in the game in the past two months...

[Communist_Loli]

I don't know what tier you're talking about but I've been seeing them every game soooo.....

[159Hunter]

They are not weak, I quite like the way that line turned out. Sure, some sigma changes left and right, but WG did just that.

So all in all, a pretty balanced line.

[totally_potato]

6 hours ago, _Conan_Librarian_ said:

No IT BBs in game at all. I wonder why another new line suck? Why you wasted time and resources for IT BBs? Same thing with Vermont line. Great dev team and decision making WG. You beat even EA. Cant w8 for submarines or another line with smoke.

Pathetic

I don't know why ppl thinks this new line sucks but it doesn't. Heck I think its good. Dante sucks a bit, Cavour can perfectly work, Andrea is okish, F.C and Veneto are getting accuracy buffs which should solve their main issue, but they are fairly good ships atleast F.C is. V.V sucks a bit compared to Roma, but that smoke is damn useful. Lepanto is a great ship. Regular 10-15k salvos. The number of shells makes up for the accuracy. C.C is amazing in my book. Good armor, smoke, 360 gun turrets, freaking 16 guns, SAP alpha that makes me cry coz its so high even if 8-9 shells hit.

The problem is the range but I can work with it, plus Luigi exists. 16 AP shells on broadside cruiser just devs them out of the water. And you don't have than much of a problem with overmatch coz you do a fair amount of damage against angled targets. I won't be surprised to see a C.C in competitive.

[arttuperkunas]

I see Francesco and Andrea Doria more or less all the time. Veneto isn't that common, Lepanto you see quite a lot as well.

[Spartan_Renegade]

They were everywhere in ranked, some of them were even flaunting their Roman camouflage  

[MementoMori_6030]

My first game today, and that is a pretty normal example.

Where are you looking for the ITA BB? T1?

[SV_Kompresor]

3 minutes ago, SpartanRenegade said:

They were everywhere in ranked, some of them were even flaunting their Roman camouflage  

That's probably because people (including) me are grinding them there, because we don't find them random worthy....

[Miscommunication_dept]

I see a few but they aren't amazing. Both tier 8 and 9 are ok while the tier 10 is actually quite good.

 

 

[ghostbuster_]

8 hours ago, _Conan_Librarian_ said:

Well, they suck for most ppl, short range, horrible dispersion, looong reload, low HP pool, bad concealment (Roma got great, why rest IT got bad?), worst AA , useless secondary armament (even with IFHE you wont pen most targets)

Concealment is not bad. But other than that, yeah, you are right.

[Aragathor]

I finished the Veneto and Lepanto grinds in ranked. Now I own the Colombo, and in my clan I'm the only one.

Time will tell if the RM BBs will become more popular.

[Ubertron_X]

4 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

They are not weak, I quite like the way that line turned out. Sure, some sigma changes left and right, but WG did just that.

So all in all, a pretty balanced line.

The problem being that their specialty SAP ammunition - probably because of the bad sigma - currently seems to be a huge liability, at least as far as my own experiences are concerned. Tried a couple of games using SAP only, aiming for superstructures or lightly armoured targets mostly, tried a couple of games using AP only and tried a couple of games with situational use of SAP in case a lightly armoured and juicy target showed up. Still got the most consistent games using AP only which raises the question why Italian BBs have SAP in the first place as it does not help versus DDs and you also can't spam it onto superstructures as often and accurate like the Italian cruisers can. And even when the perfect opportunity does present itself (SAP loaded vs light cruiser broadside at low range) the guns and ammunition often seem to fail to get the job done, at least at a consistent rate.

[Miscommunication_dept]

I'd say actually just be happy they didn't release in a state of being too powerful!

 

With soviet battleships and the soviet cruiser split, we saw so many as they were just so powerful.

 

Several nerfs later they are still very powerful.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

The new German DDs are also garbage.

Nobody at WG plays the game anymore.

[tocqueville8]

39 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

The number of shells makes up for the accuracy

On most tiers, yes, but not on T7 and T8.

 

IMHO the Caracciolo's gunnery is fine, as she can overmatch same-tier BBs with AP, but the Veneto doesn't even get that.

Her barrel count is nothing special, her accuracy and reload are sub-par and she has very few options against bow-tanking BBs, which are common at high tiers.

The smoke is objectively less useful than on cruisers: your firing penalty is much bigger than your concealment, so if you're caught overextending you can't smoke up, turn AND fire while staying undetected. Stealth secondaries could be occasionally powerful, but even with IFHE they don't pen much...

[Figment]

5 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

On most tiers, yes, but not on T7 and T8.

 

IMHO the Caracciolo's gunnery is fine, as she can overmatch same-tier BBs with AP, but the Veneto doesn't even get that.

Her barrel count is nothing special, her accuracy and reload are sub-par and she has very few options against bow-tanking BBs, which are common at high tiers.

The smoke is objectively less useful than on cruisers: your firing penalty is much bigger than your concealment, so if you're caught overextending you can't smoke up, turn AND fire while staying undetected. Stealth secondaries could be occasionally powerful, but even with IFHE they don't pen much...

Where do you aim on a ship nose tanking?

 

I try to get enough angle to fire around their turrets through the top section of the ship.

[Gwynbleidd11]

I see a lot of them in randoms and ranked. I'd say they are currently most popular BB line and what I tried they are unique and very strong.

 

 

[tocqueville8]

15 minutes ago, Figment said:

Where do you aim on a ship nose tanking?

 

I try to get enough angle to fire around their turrets through the top section of the ship.

If you can overmatch, AP on the nose.

 

Otherwise, AP on the superstructure, but if they have big turrets (Kremlin, let's say) it's often better to go for HE on the superstructure, then the nose, to cause 2 permafires.

 

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[Jethro_Grey]

Oh, a 'buff ITA BBs' thread in disguise.

 

I haven't had a single random game in the past weeks without ITA BBs, heck in a lot of ranked battles they pop up.

 

What is a rare sight however are the new German fishing boats. I wonder why nobody is playing those as their performance characteristics allow them to catch more fishes as any other line, which equals lots of credits (if you survive and sell the catch in port). 

 

Oh wait, the game is about combat, not fishing. Maybe an oversight by WGs balans committee? 

[Redcap375]

OK, I've not not been a fan of either the new US BB line or the Italian one.  The US is slow as sin and reloads like an old man and the Italian ones have SAP (give or take) again longish reload, horrable accuracy and short range. 

 

They don't set the world on fire do they? Personally I think the New US line is better (hits like a truck full of hards things) but they are still sub-par, IMHO. 

 

Now that's not to say they are really really bad, which they are not.. Its just they aren't that strong either. If you wanna say it, they are balanced? 

 

Is that the problem? We have been spoilt on all these other strong broken ships that playing these new ones just don't cut the mustard?

 

So can we blame WG (I know) on these new lines? Yes we can blame them on some of the other very strong lines and premium ships, but they might be getting it now?

 

Im in a good mood so giving them  much more credit then they deserve here, but just a thought? 

 

The last 3 lines have been balanced? Or as close as they can be I suppose.