wargaming you cant be serious now Balance Changes for old Premium Ships its coming

[KamiKatze_Streamer]

If deemed necessary, balance changes may be applied to Kirov.

 

I ask myself how can that be, I have the kirov for a long time and there was not this passage / change now retroactively simply change the conditions will now happen with the other old ships?

 

if so I'm out I already have 450 ships in port but I do not do that to me that retroactively changes are made ...

[YILDIRIM39]

I do not know this, but they should not do it.

because they didn't tell you when you bought it, in this case I don't think they have such a right

[MementoMori_6030]

I find the entire game so horribly unbalanced and mindlessly patched together that I do not care if they change individual ships. Those are minor details of a major dung pile.

[ColonelPete]

23 minutes ago, KamiKatze_Streamer said:

If deemed necessary, balance changes may be applied to Kirov.

 

I ask myself how can that be, I have the kirov for a long time and there was not this passage / change now retroactively simply change the conditions will now happen with the other old ships?

 

if so I'm out I already have 450 ships in port but I do not do that to me that retroactively changes are made ...

1. Kirov was a techtree ship, they could always be changed
2. Then Kirov was a coal ship, they could always be changed
3. ToS: "we ... can update or change Virtual Goods available for purchase at any time"

[ReapingKnight]

The only way they could make changes to the existing premiums would be to put them on sale again with that update ToS then people would then know but it would be a bit of a **** move.

[Aragathor]

Just now, ReapingKnight said:

The only way they could make changes to the existing premiums would be to put them on sale again with that update ToS then people would then know but it would be a bit of a **** move.

But it would only apply to newly sold ships. Old owners would not be affected.

 

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, ReapingKnight said:

The only way they could make changes to the existing premiums would be to put them on sale again with that update ToS then people would then know but it would be a bit of a **** move.

The ToS apply since 2016, probably longer.

[josykay]

3 hours ago, KamiKatze_Streamer said:

If deemed necessary, balance changes may be applied to Kirov.

 

I ask myself how can that be, I have the kirov for a long time and there was not this passage / change now retroactively simply change the conditions will now happen with the other old ships?

 

if so I'm out I already have 450 ships in port but I do not do that to me that retroactively changes are made ...

Kirov was never sold for money though if i remember correctly. It was a techtree ship, which you then kept after it became a "premium", and then was available for Coal.

I think, those, which were never sold, like Kirov, Vampire, Iwaki, Arkansas etc. should have nerfs applied if necessary. Overpowered ships are just not healthy for the game, and the argument, that a customer having the product, he /she has paid cash for taken away can not be used there.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Don’t spend money on WOWS.

 

The simplest solution. I’ve now been cold turkey for more than a month. It feels good.

[Maris_Piper]

2 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Don’t spend money on WOWS.

 

The simplest solution. I’ve now been cold turkey for more than a month. It feels good.

Age of Empire's is doing it for me, It's been one kick in the ba!!s from WG after another for me so I'm just watching the  up's unfold and playing a little Co-Op 

[KamiKatze_Streamer]

Vor 57 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:

The ToS apply since 2016, probably longer.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, KamiKatze_Streamer said:

 

Does not change the ToS.

[Animalul2012]

Sure go ahead nerf premiums,nerf reward ships so coal,steel,RP because devauled, result=no more clan wars because screw steel what good at? coal? well time to spend it on something else besides ships, RP? HAHAHHAHA GET OUT OF HERE.  New premium that is actually good? Nah,it will get nerfed and become a port queen,so a waste of money. 

They will try,do it and then they will be replaced by WOT premium tank team probably,where a permium does not even get nerfed trough global changes.

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

Sure go ahead nerf premiums,nerf reward ships so coal,steel,RP because devauled, result=no more clan wars because screw steel what good at? coal? well time to spend it on something else besides ships, RP? HAHAHHAHA GET OUT OF HERE.  New premium that is actually good? Nah,it will get nerfed and become a port queen,so a waste of money. 

They will try,do it and then they will be replaced by WOT premium tank team probably,where a permium does not even get nerfed trough global changes.

 

If enough people buy OP ships despite them getting nerfed a few months later, and then repeat the process over and over, then we have to walk away from it, because clearly, its not meant for us. If there are enough cashcows, who will go along with getting milked by WG, then we cant win this arguement anyway, because whether we like it or not, we are the minority then.

[Miscommunication_dept]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Does not change the ToS.

It is still reasonable to assume that WG would continue their practice of not nerfing premium ships. 
Their TOS covers them legally  but as a customer, you would also take into account current practice and certain statements made when considering a purchase.

If these practices change the customer has a right to be annoyed but AFAIK no legal right to challenge due to the TOS and EULA.

 

WG can turn off their servers tomorrow if they want to. We would have no legal right to request refunds. 
 

However, if we believed WG would shut down their servers at short notice, it would surely be foolish to make further purchases.

 

I am very interested to see if customer spending habits change in the next few months. 

[viceadmiral123]

2 hours ago, KamiKatze_Streamer said:

Balance Changes for old Premium Ships its coming

It's about time.

[Verblonde]

5 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

If there are enough cashcows, who will go along with getting milked by WG

I think WG should be very careful here; I'm probably one of the worst whales active on the forum at the moment, and if WG got into the cycle of releasing OP ships, then nerfing them, then repeating, I would probably stop spending entirely/almost entirely.

 

I don't know how typical I am, but my thought process is along the following lines:

• If my ship is going to be nerfed, I should play it a lot to get value from it before that happens, so I would feel pressured to play the game regardless of whether I want to at a given moment; that feels like work, and I dislike that idea.
• Less selfishly, I feel such an approach isn't ethical, so my conscience would give me s**t if I actively supported it.
• Crucially though, I would rather win because I managed to suck less than usual, rather than because I threw money at the screen (where's the fun/challenge in that?). Wins become meaningless if you get them in blatantly OP ships.

I'm probably pearl-clutching here, and enough people will happily buy into the OP-nerf-OP-nerf cycle to make it viable, but I still think it's potentially dangerous from a commercial standpoint...

[ColonelPete]

9 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

If these practices change the customer has a right to be annoyed but AFAIK no legal right to challenge due to the TOS and EULA.

Customers have the right to be annoyed about anything, even free stuff.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 hours ago, josykay said:

Kirov was never sold for money though if i remember correctly. It was a techtree ship, which you then kept after it became a "premium", and then was available for Coal.

I think, those, which were never sold, like Kirov, Vampire, Iwaki, Arkansas etc. should have nerfs applied if necessary. Overpowered ships are just not healthy for the game, and the argument, that a customer having the object, he /she has paid cash for taking away can not be used there.

 

Correct, IIRC. We got it free when they changed the tech tree.

[HassenderZerhacker]

3 hours ago, KamiKatze_Streamer said:

If deemed necessary, balance changes may be applied to Kirov.

 

I ask myself how can that be, I have the kirov for a long time and there was not this passage / change now retroactively simply change the conditions will now happen with the other old ships?

 

if so I'm out I already have 450 ships in port but I do not do that to me that retroactively changes are made ...

 

I don't thin WG can make the changes retroactively. how would they change the outcomes of the battles you played with these ships?

[Fat_Maniac]

3 hours ago, YILDIRIM39 said:

I do not know this, but they should not do it.

because they didn't tell you when you bought it, in this case I don't think they have such a right

But they did tell you and they do have the right. The terms and conditions in the EULA have always said, WG reserve the right to remove or change all content at any time at their discretion.

 

It might not be best customer satisfaction to do it, but they can if they want too.

[Cippalippus]

This, but with a positive tone.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

5 minutes ago, Cippalippus said:

This, but with a positive tone.

 

Positive tone?

[Verblonde]

11 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said:

It might not be best customer satisfaction to do it, but they can if they want too.

This is at the heart of the matter:

• I don't know how EULAs interact with consumer law (a lot of waivers aren't worth the paper they're written on), but the customer satisfaction thing is crucial here - retrospectively making older premiums nerfable will annoy a lot of people, regardless of whether or not it's legal.
• Regarding legality, it's a bit moot anyway - is anyone really going to spend a lot of money on lawyers over a few pixels?
• In terms of real consequences, such a retrospective change would probably have a couple of consequences: for a start, the existing customers would probably start spending less; as a result of that, to keep their income flowing WG would need to compensate for any loss with sales to new customers. It's generally more expensive to acquire new customers than retain old ones (I was in a conference talk on exactly this general subject a couple of days ago), so WG will have to work a lot harder just to stand still, in financial terms.

TL;DR just because WG can do this, it doesn't mean they should. I'm not talking about squishy feel-good stuff here, but hard commercial reality - my personal view is that making old premiums nerfable would be foolish from a pure money perspective.

[Cippalippus]

13 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Positive tone?

How is balancing old, broken and overpowered ships bad for the game?