[KLAN] KapteinSabeltann Players 232 posts 10,034 battles Report post #1 Posted May 6, 2021 ... I just don't understand some of the new players. I had just had another awful game, nothing new. At least I did ok-ish. But I was looking at my team after trying to figure out how it is possible to play this bad and most of the team was sub 50% players, but that is almost the norm now. I will end up there myself soon enough I can't carry this meta, I don't understand the new players and I've about dropped 2% of my WR since my peak - which is a LOT with 8k plus games. At least now all my graphs are pointing down, previously everything was going up but winrate. But to the point: Looking at the players I saw this one guy in a Musashi, and he has 77 total games played, with a WR of 41.56. And I was thinking how, WHY, does he have a Musashi? So I looked at his ships and he has: Muashi Kaga Thunderer Jean Bart Saipan Indomitable Benham Friesland Massachusetts Erich Loewenhardt Graf Zeppelin Kronstadt. I just, why? With 77 games played? Most of them only played 1 game or so. I understand this is a WG dream customer and I'm totally not. But why when you don't even play the ships. How is it fun to throw so much money at a game you hardly ever play (acct from 2020), and are consistently (if 77 games is enough to deduct anything from) bad at. Why not learn it then buy high tier premiums. I mean I can afford buying any and all premiums WG has released but I would't dream of it. To find a point to this post: Why spend so much money on a game you hardly play only to end up losing most of your games and I would presume have a bad time. I just, I don't know, clearly my mind does not work in the same way as some of these players. Clearly what he does with his money is his business, I'd wish he would get a little bit better at it before playing T9/10 so not to ruin the experience for others but clearly that's not my decision. His ship list just blew my mind is all. I've not done the math but that must be close to €1000 worth of ships? At least 500. 15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totally_potato Players 2,533 posts Report post #2 Posted May 6, 2021 I am surprised that you made a forum about this. This is the new trend that WG is catering to One day we will have a player with 100% WR and has all the premium ships, but only has one game in one of them. Coz why not 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #3 Posted May 6, 2021 You went down 1.48% points from your peak, 1.18% points when you count your solo games. Considering you peaked pretty early in your WoWs carreer, it looks more like you were a bit too lucky in the beginning. 12 minutes ago, KapteinSabeltann said: To find a point to this post: Why spend so much money on a game you hardly play only to end up losing most of your games and I would presume have a bad time. Co-Op player.... 4 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #4 Posted May 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, KapteinSabeltann said: His ship list just blew my mind is all. I've not done the math but that must be close to €1000 worth of ships? At least 500. Must be way more, because he couldnt just buy Musashi/Benham and some others. He had to spend significant amounts of cash on XMas crates. Which means, he had to get ALL of the ships available in that containers, so he could get the super rare premiums like Musashi/Benham. That also means, he has >hundred of ships in port, and he hasnt even played most of them. I have no idea what the drop rate for ships is on a large amount of Santa crates, but id guess he would have needed to buy like 400? Forget how much they cost, but i think that will give a good estimate, if you know the price, just go from there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLAN] KapteinSabeltann Players 232 posts 10,034 battles Report post #5 Posted May 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: That also means, he has >hundred of ships in port, and he hasnt even played most of them. I honestly don't know cause he didn't have a lot of regular ships. Guess he sold them off? I used the ingame view to see his ships and most of them were premiums. The shiplist was not much longer than what I listed out here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #6 Posted May 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, KapteinSabeltann said: Looking at the players I saw this one guy in a Musashi, and he has 77 total games played, with a WR of 41.56. Not bad at all. I have seen some that have a WR of 30% in a CV and multiple-thousands of games. This dude is actually doing relatively well. Count your blessings.... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RossijskijAxisFlot Players 683 posts 4,171 battles Report post #7 Posted May 6, 2021 Proprio ora, BLUB__BLUB ha scritto: Not bad at all. I have seen some that have a WR of 30% in a CV and multiple-thousands of games. This dude is actually doing relatively well. Count your blessings.... must be a Bot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #8 Posted May 6, 2021 1 minute ago, KommodorevonKlein said: must be a Bot Nah he was actually calling me creative names and swearing... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RossijskijAxisFlot Players 683 posts 4,171 battles Report post #9 Posted May 6, 2021 I see guys with <17k average damage... how is this possible ?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #10 Posted May 6, 2021 Just now, KommodorevonKlein said: I see guys with <17k average damage... how is this possible ?! Well I'd be happy if that was my average in Tallin.... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CATCH] CensorMeDaddyWG Beta Tester 390 posts 10,408 battles Report post #11 Posted May 6, 2021 Clanmate recently posted a screenshot from a profile with -780 kills by fire or flooding. A player who has commited 780 teamkills at least, and the account is still active. You've seen nothing. 1 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #12 Posted May 6, 2021 Why? Here's why. "Vroom, vroom! Whoosh... BOOM"! Cool game in my Uber Musashi. I'm bored now, I'll go play with my Porsche. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,664 battles Report post #13 Posted May 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: I have no idea what the drop rate for ships is on a large amount of Santa crates FWIW I think it was about 1 in 10 (any ship) for the middle crates, and about double that for the biggest... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #14 Posted May 6, 2021 27 minutes ago, KapteinSabeltann said: Looking at the players I saw this one guy in a Musashi, and he has 77 total games played, with a WR of 41.56. And I was thinking how, WHY, does he have a Musashi? So I looked at his ships and he has: Where did you look for his stats? Could they have been reset or hidden and only recently started recording? Just saying, has everything he's ever done been recorded there? Did you check his coop play stats? Not needing to outsmart bots might lead to trying to fight players like bots if they're not used to anything else AND with a misplaced expectation that you'd maneouvre and fire as poorly as bots, which could lead to frustration on his end. I've actually come across people who thought Coop was the only game mode during Beta, so if nobody told him and he never changed it before... There were also people who thought they were only losing because they were fighting as low tiers (blame their tools, not themselves), so skipping all low tiers should in their logic make them instantly be good players... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PORT] VonBroich [PORT] Beta Tester, Players 422 posts 54,748 battles Report post #15 Posted May 6, 2021 They have probably been farming free XP in operations. Which would explain some of the ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #16 Posted May 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, CensorMeDaddyWG said: Clanmate recently posted a screenshot from a profile with -780 kills by fire or flooding. A player who has commited 780 teamkills at least, and the account is still active. You've seen nothing. Must be old since you cant get DoTs on teammates anymore for quite some time. And back then, teamkilling was also easier. Not to excuse this behaviour or WGs inability to ban someone like that, but these days he probably wouldnt be able to do that anymore. Or lets just hope it was some sort of bug and he didnt actually have that many teamkills.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLAN] KapteinSabeltann Players 232 posts 10,034 battles Report post #17 Posted May 6, 2021 30 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: You went down 1.48% points from your peak, 1.18% points when you count your solo games. Considering you peaked pretty early in your WoWs carreer, it looks more like you were a bit too lucky in the beginning. Co-Op player.... It wasn't early, I don't think 6k games in is early: I peaked at t9 by using the Fletcher. WR for that ship alone was IIRC close to 68% It just stopped but I believe we've had this discussion before. As I said my wins just ended. I still believe there is a weighted MM. Nothing changed. No changes to the fletcher, no invisifire change, no radar change, no cv change no powercreep I just could not win anymore. I actually stumbled over a screenshot I made back then cause I was upset but didnt see the point of a sht-post but I can two pics to this post just to show you. None of the screenshots are cherry picked they are a string of games. NOT all of them losses. And I was trying - I was trying hard but it didn't matter at all. If it's interesting to anyone look at that compared to my current experience. It's not like I've had a stroke or something although I might get one soon playing. This is a derail of the thread but I just wanted to hightlight that I'm not making stuff up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gekkehenkie50 Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 675 posts 5,845 battles Report post #18 Posted May 6, 2021 43 minutes ago, KapteinSabeltann said: ... I just don't understand some of the new players. I had just had another awful game, nothing new. At least I did ok-ish. But I was looking at my team after trying to figure out how it is possible to play this bad and most of the team was sub 50% players, but that is almost the norm now. I will end up there myself soon enough I can't carry this meta, I don't understand the new players and I've about dropped 2% of my WR since my peak - which is a LOT with 8k plus games. At least now all my graphs are pointing down, previously everything was going up but winrate. But to the point: Totally get what ya mean; ever since dead-eye, teams seem to have dropped a solid ~5% in WR carry wise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #19 Posted May 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, gekkehenkie50 said: Totally get what ya mean; ever since dead-eye, teams seem to have dropped a solid ~5% in WR carry wise 50% is not the average. This is because: - higher WR players are usually the ones staying longer. They are doing well, and learning. - there is a large contigent of low WR players, they leave and get replaced. As such, the total mathematical WR average at any given time may be 50% but it is not the average WR of an average player. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SYD] Molly_Delaney Players 1,200 posts 4,600 battles Report post #20 Posted May 6, 2021 27 minutes ago, KommodorevonKlein said: I see guys with <17k average damage... how is this possible ?! Well, I've only got 16,915 average damage..... in Mikasa... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #21 Posted May 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Molly_Delaney said: Well, I've only got 16,915 average damage..... in Mikasa... Quite sure that was BEFORE they nerfed secondaries.... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Nov_A Beta Tester 1,292 posts 13,123 battles Report post #22 Posted May 6, 2021 So far I have played 28 ships in randoms, 13 of them are non-tech tree ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-E] FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor Players 3,532 posts 29,234 battles Report post #23 Posted May 6, 2021 Vor 43 Minuten, BLUB__BLUB sagte: Nah he was actually calling me creative names and swearing... Bwahahahaha I was in that game, playing the Benham that bathed him in a sea of torps. https://replayswows.com/replay/129901#stats (not quite the replay I sent to Jingles this fine day.) Seriously though you should SO have completely deleted me that time behind the island when I was just 4 km away. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #24 Posted May 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said: Bwahahahaha I was in that game, playing the Benham that bathed him in a sea of torps. https://replayswows.com/replay/129901#stats Well at the moment he has... go check... BTW I think you meant the OP but not me, so I'll @KapteinSabeltann notify him here. I have seen worse though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #25 Posted May 6, 2021 30 minutes ago, KapteinSabeltann said: It wasn't early, I don't think 6k games in is early: You peaked in early 2017 and reached around 6000 battles in 2019... I would guess you had no more than 4000 battles at your peak, probably around 3000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
