Waterline: What's Happening Next?

[stuurboord]

Nice to see that the Netherlands is added to WOWs with there beautifull ships.

I am also verry happy to hear tha the Subs are doing there entry.

 

Thx for the stream and please go on with your good work guys.

 

Regards

Stuurboord

 

[AngryDragon70]

24 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Well, I am taking the blame as 30yo WG Staff representative.

You mean after reading those articles, what is going to appear in the game?

We always collect suggestions and after that deciding what to do with them. Some of those already made it to the game and some most likely will make it to the game later.

We are not ignoring anything and which disaster functionality you have in mind?

 

Which "new game mode with something new" introduced you have in mind?

Well, it is most likely there will be russian submarines, as historicaly Soviet Union had quite a lot of them.

 

really.....

well.... as a WG Staff representative im sure you can find the "top 3" on this forum where people are complaining about, made suggestions for etc etc.

im pretty sure it will be the same over and over again.

 

but hey, forget it! your answers just say enough.

 

and as you can read in this thread: people are very happy with subs etc. just like they are with cv meta, radar and mm.

 

awesome company it is.

[Pururut]

Looking forward to the submarines thought I do hope detection by radar only applies when the submarine is on the surface and when the periscope is active. As far for the new type of torpedo... based on my experience with GWX 3.0 I assume it will either be an electric torpedo with no wake which can translate to very low detection range or FaT torpedoes with preconfigurable ladder pattern or simply the addition of magnetic fuse. I dont know if I would be okay with magnetic fuse but the remainder are fair game.

 

The addition of rocket plane warning is nice but the delay between machine gun fire and rockets should be increased a bit more. I dont see the point of giving Dutch cruisers planes but whatever. Wargamings game, Wargamings decisions. 

 

That being said I hope Wargaming rethinks the adjusted firing concept. Super battleships mean more overmatch and that means less cruisers which in return gives way to more destroyers and a lot more battleships. Add super battleships if you must but please keep the accuracy of that class low especially with distance. Personally I am a bad player and the overmatch and accuracy in upper tiers made me give up on cruisers and battleships. If both are going to be added, than revise AP peneration mechanics.

 

This last bit wont be popular with some but frankly it must be said. Please push forward with submarines. I will reference World of Tanks: Blitz as I usually do as that game tried ATGMs which was something brand new and was shut off by the playerbase not willing to adapt even though it was such a promising change which could have shifted the balance. If old timers are unable to accept the change, so be it. As the Turkish saying goes;  Ya devlet başa ya kuzgun leşe. Go ham or go home would be an approximate translation though it definitely doesnt retain the seriousness of the original. Oh well.

[imoenbg1]

7 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

So far only Satsuma and Hannover were announced as Superbattleships, there is no mention, that there should be russian superbattleship.

With soviet submarines, not entirely.. they managed to sink some ships and were operating quite a lot. Still most likely one of the three biggest Submarine nation... 

 

Lets count together - USA, that is one. IJN that is two. Germany that is three. I believe Britain had better submarines even, but dont count me on that.

 

Most definitely top three.....

[ZaalKoris_vas_QwibQwib]

So WG really doing this sub madness. Of course I have no intention to participate.

 

At least waited for announcement that CVs will be as they should with regard to subs. CVs made subs shat their pants and run in fear. In WG version CV is completely oblivious to existence of underwater parasites. But I don't expect much now. We have now torpedoes which approach speed of light (while historically up to year 2021, 99% of torpedoes never exceed(ed) 40 kts), why not CVs which cannot deal with subs. Now only take hydro from German ships and should be all fine and dandy. The moment I've seen that homed torpedo will ignore all TDS of any ship, the sub idea was dead and buried.

 

Super BBs kind of what a lot of people expected for a long time. At first new temp-mode and then actual Tier 11+ in game. Of course Soviet one will be made of solid neutronium and equipped with 10 super lasers like Death Star. That's prospective milk-cow in next 6-12 months because there is not much new left to add realistically.

 

While I'm very positive about Netherland kruisers I'm already worried about De Zeven Provinciën being a Dockyard ship. That in itself means it'll be battered into submission by ST.

 

Thing which I don't like about NL line is that air drop whatever. Can you imagine 4-5 NL cruisers working together as a sort of carpet bombing task force? 4-5 reasonably skilled players can literally flatten wide area and even DD will not escape if they know where it hides. I'm sure parking DM, Salems and rest of that lot will love them dearly too. 

[USNavy_12]

That Damocles sword of submarines into the game still hovering over our heads. Might be the reason why I did not spend any money since they were teasered. Well, 90% of the changes since the stupid CV rework were horrible anyway. What a pity that this downward spiral just does not stop. You had a really good game and I am missing it.

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

11 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

With Subs, some changes needed to be done. Also they will first be tested on special PT server and after that they would be moved to Ranked battles first. But still it can take some time for that PT testing.

 

Regarding Superbattleships, yes, some of current BBs are paper ones, but those are actually following blueprints and plans, basically pushing the development of artilery further.

 

Adjustment firing: Yes, this is what the current gameplay is about, so in this special mode it can be tested to pay more attention to that, as you would be rewarded for playing that right.

 

 

It was mostly the stress on the "universal" wording. And yes, my appologies, I should use the name Hannover...

 

 

There's also significant changes that needed to be done with CVs when they were released, but nothing happened, they were released in a horrible state, and are still in it, if less so than when released. 

 

It's faster to list the high-tier (9+X) BBs that actually existed as opposed to those that didn't. Missouri, Iowa, Musashi, Yamato, Jean Bart. So please don't say 'some'. That's 5 out of 32 (30 if one excludes Bajie and Wujing as 'event' ships), so 1/6th of all high-tier BBs actually sailed. The rest are all based on plans that were scrapped, due to CVs becoming the dominant factor in naval warfare, or lack of funds. Still, you could easily classify all TierX BBs as Super-Battleships, because only the Japanese actually followed through with the BB design. Yamato is exactly that, a BB that was finished despite the rapid rise of CVs. 

 

So why not fix the bugs with the game instead of finding new gimmicks to reward players for doing what should be rewarding in the first place?

 

And you misunderstood me with Hannover. I'm fine with you calling it H-44. My issue is that when you name a ship 'Hannover', people will think you mean it's named after the town of Hannover, when German Battleships used to be named after great people. But Hannover is also the name of an old royal house, and I assume the ship is supposed to be named after one of them. I'd suggest you pick another great naval persona to name the ship after to avoid confusion. 

[ZaalKoris_vas_QwibQwib]

2 minutes ago, imoenbg1 said:

 

Lets count together - USA, that is one. IJN that is two. Germany that is three. I believe Britain had better submarines even, but dont count me on that.

 

Most definitely top three.....

For subs:

 

1. USN

2. Kriegsmarine

3. USSR

4. Royal Navy

5. IJN

6. Regia Marina 

[S_h_i_v_a]

As long as submarines are a separate game mode, i'm good with that. 

Would like a lot that CVs get a separate game mode too. 

 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 8 minutami stuurboord řekl/a:

Nice to see that the Netherlands is added to WOWs with there beautifull ships.

I am also verry happy to hear tha the Subs are doing there entry.

 

Thx for the stream and please go on with your good work guys.

 

Regards

Stuurboord

 

I am glad, that you are looking forward for Dutch ships a well next dockyard ship will be a Dutch one, too.

 

 

Před 7 minutami imoenbg1 řekl/a:

 

Lets count together - USA, that is one. IJN that is two. Germany that is three. I believe Britain had better submarines even, but dont count me on that.

 

Most definitely top three.....

 

Před 1 minutou ZaalKoris_vas_QwibQwib řekl/a:

For subs:

 

1. USN

2. Kriegsmarine

3. USSR

4. Royal Navy

5. IJN

6. Regia Marina 

Thank you for this. I was about to mention, that IJN subs definitely were not as numerous as Soviet ones.

[bEtHeNs]

And when is this all expected to happen?

If I understood correctly that air carpet bombing attack is special for some dutch ships, is it?

[kenny212]

24 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

With Subs, some changes needed to be done. Also they will first be tested on special PT server and after that they would be moved to Ranked battles first. But still it can take some time for that PT testing.

 

Regarding Superbattleships, yes, some of current BBs are paper ones, but those are actually following blueprints and plans, basically pushing the development of artilery further.

 

Adjustment firing: Yes, this is what the current gameplay is about, so in this special mode it can be tested to pay more attention to that, as you would be rewarded for playing that right.

 

 

It was mostly the stress on the "universal" wording. And yes, my appologies, I should use the name Hannover...

 

So far only Satsuma and Hannover were announced as Superbattleships, there is no mention, that there should be russian superbattleship.

With soviet submarines, not entirely.. they managed to sink some ships and were operating quite a lot. Still most likely one of the three biggest Submarine nation...

the soviet submarines were not designed as ocean going submarines, they were coastal, are you going to take this into consideration or is the Bias you are even now clearly showing, going to still be a thing in the game?

and they were among the biggest submarine fleets yes, but most of these subs were out of action most of the time.

[Wulf_Ace]

Players: we dont want subamarines

WG: we are giving you submarines

Players: we dont want any more fictional russian ships

WG: we are giving you more russian ships, russian submarinesss

Players: we want gameplay and balance changes

WG: we are giving you super battleships, to even more increase the nubmers of BBs in the game.Since current lobby wait time of 150 BBs 20 CA and 10 DD is to small in numbers of BBs.We are smart gaming company.

 

Yes wargaming you are idi_ts.

[ZeuSueZ1337]

Unpopular opinion: I'm looking forward to the subs being added (no joke)

And I still have problems wrapping my head around the animosity towards subs being introduced.

More and more I lean towards the OG promise "nO wE wIlL nEvEr AdD sUbS, PrOmIsE" Well, guess what fellas; like Dylan once sang "For the times they are a-changin'"

Now I do in fact recognize the possibility of a major cluster f*** bc of insufficient testing etc. both by the player pool and by the developers. Thus creating a "CV rework" 2.0 outcome but from my perspective its like pushing on the sea. WG (and admittedly I'm biased cuz also myself) have their heart set on implementing this class into the game and leaves you with two options: part ways with the game or embrace it best you can.

I for one hope the subs could turn out to become a CV-killer/CV-threat, thus forcing the CV to help locate the sub rather than annihilate the surface ships with no interruptions.

[BruceRKF]

Submarines: still a no for me. I just have not seen anything that convinces me that they fit the gameplay style of WoWs at all.

Super Battleships: Why? By giving them the spotlight, you essentially make BBs even more popular, while BB overpopulation is already a massive problem. More BBs than cruisers or destroyers in a game has been the norm for years.

Dutch nation is fine, as long as they do NOT get a full BB or CV tech tree at any point. There is only so much WG fiction I can take.

[mel1111]

I am sure you guys are very excited about all those changes, but I am quite sure the current players will not like all you are announcing. There was a time where WOWS was concentrating on WW2 battles with the ships which actually were in WW2.

Nowadays things move away from that day by day and all kinds of non existing things come to the game, which are not very much liked by the players. So maybe a good thing to do a poll under actual active players what they like and what they do not.

The way this goes now will make the game less popular with a lot of players who now play all kinds of other games, as I can see clearly when I log in to Discord or Steam. They play all kinds of things but not WOWS. They only come back for Clan battles and for the rest they hang out elsewhere. If THAT is what you intend to happen, then by all means keep going the way you do. Most players rate your enlisting project for new players as the proof you are quite aware of people leaving and are desperately trying to find new money makers.

Just look at your PT server. The last months there are hardly 300 people playing on that server, because a lot of people do not give a damn about those tests. You will do what you want anyway and criticism is not appreciated by you.

Anyway I am writing this in good faith in order to try to make the game nice for everyone.

Good luck MEL

[hellhound666]

but where is the notice of compensation of nerfed premium ships?

[Raptor_Leader]

FINNALY subs will be aded in live server, the wait was starting to be long 

 

I can't wait to rekt team in ranked battle with this silent monster 

[AraAra_My_Ass_Is_Blasted]

I am shocked by the announcement of subs going into Ranked. You have a test version of the game for that, and yet your only solution is to bring them to Ranked?

 

I kno why you took this decision, not enough players that go in the test version, but instead of fixing the issue (by rewarding the players more or TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THEIR FEEDBACK) you will just create more reluctance against submarines because you forced those who don't want to test them into testing them.

 

But oh well, you aren't gonna change your mind anyway, we're talking to a wall so whatever.

[Markvs72]

What about some new coal ships? 

 

 

[Tall_Toot]

 

I know, lets take a straightforward game with pieces of differing characteristics like chess. Make them look a bit like real things.

 

Then keep adding new pieces, that break all the rules of the original game, because we need to for some fiscally dubious reason.

 

Then add some magic flying hammers. And underwater spaghetti monsters or something.

 

I know, add lasers. And Super lasers with sausages on top. Everybody loves those.

 

Then keep going until nobody who started out playing understands what the smeg is going on any more, and has moved on, but is still making money because some of the pieces still look a bit like real things, have a national flag on them, and are being bought by new players who have yet to fully appreciate the sheer marketing skills involved.

 

 

 

You're welcome, I'll get me coat.

[CaptainKreutzer]

I'm not sure if i should be mad or not...

 

We have waited for Large gun German battleship for long time, like 3 years probably and first one we are getting is locked behind event.

 

So question is, Will we get big gun German BB as a separate premium?

[YabbaCoe]

Před 46 minutami bEtHeNs řekl/a:

And when is this all expected to happen?

If I understood correctly that air carpet bombing attack is special for some dutch ships, is it?

As we have plenty things announced with this Waterline video, those will be also different dates for each event/feature.

 

With Airstrike, yes, it will be a special gimmick for Dutch cruisers.

[imoenbg1]

Can I request a refund and account deletion the second your submarines hit the live servers????

 

 

[Zilv3rvloot]

1 hour ago, ZaalKoris_vas_QwibQwib said:

For subs:

 

1. USN

2. Kriegsmarine

3. USSR

4. Royal Navy

5. IJN

6. Regia Marina 

You had left out the Dutch (and French) submarines.....in fact compared to the soon to be introduced surface vessels it was probably the most effective service branch of the Dutch Navy during WWII. 

 

The forgotten 8th submarine fleet

We saw already the US, British, Japanese, Italian, French, Soviet and German submarines fleets, but there was one more is size and quality that matched them, especially given their battle records: The Dutch Netherlands fleet. Of course, the country fell in May 1940 but the Dutch East Indies at the time concentrated the major part of the Dutch maritime might. Outside cruisers and destroyers, the local defence here revolved around minelayers and submarines, the latter acting as a deterrent. Of the 22 in service in 1939, four coastal models only were kept in Dutch waters. When the ABDA squadron was all but annihilated and later the remnants of the Dutch surface fleet, Submarines were still there, and they will continue to take part in the operations in the Pacific until August 1945, hunting down the IJN over a vast area and accumulating an enviable kill board. In short, if not a droplet in the USN submarine warfare in the Pacific, their action was remarkable, ongoing for the whole duration of the war and costed the Japanese much. These 20 submarines boxed well above their weight.