Waterline: What's Happening Next?

[The_EURL_Guy]

Submarines, the return of the Dockyard, a new ship branch, a temporary game mode, and a new nation!

Read it on the portal

[Spy_30]

All great except Submarines. Subs are designed to use stealth and patience and its not good gaming in my opinion.

[leonport]

tf is a universal 128mm artellery? is that a new mechanic?

[YabbaCoe]

Před 1 minutou leonport řekl/a:

tf is a universal 128mm artellery? is that a new mechanic?

For the announcement in Waterline, we have used the calibre size used in the blueprints for these designs. The actual calibre of these guns is indeed 1mm bigger, which will be reflected in the specifications and descriptions of the guns in the game client. Those guns will be dualpurpose...

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

3 minutes ago, leonport said:

tf is a universal 128mm artellery? is that a new mechanic?

I think it means Dual-Purpose Artillery, so the Secondary Battery will also act as AA...? 

[AngryDragon70]

if submarines are there i will uninstall instantly.

same for clanmemembers.

 

why not fix the game?

its a disaster already.

make it worse.

 

bah bah bah. all that 30+ yo staff of WG company should be banned for life from every gaminh community.

 

what a joke.

 

it shows once again how much this company cares for its players.

not at all.

 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 2 minutami AngryDragon70 řekl/a:

if submarines are there i will uninstall instantly.

same for clanmemembers.

 

why not fix the game?

its a disaster already.

make it worse.

 

bah bah bah. all that 30+ yo staff of WG company should be banned for life from every gaminh community.

 

what a joke

 

As I am exactly 30yo, I would like to know, why I should be banned for life from gaming community? What for?

[HawkEyes__]

1 minute ago, AngryDragon70 said:

if submarines are there i will uninstall instantly.

same for clanmemembers.

 

why not fix the game?

its a disaster already.

make it worse.

 

bah bah bah. all that 30+ yo staff of WG company should be banned for life from every gaminh community.

 

what a joke

 

Oho..take it easy. Look at the whole movie, there is coming more news like super battle ships mode..

[leonport]

5 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

For the announcement in Waterline, we have used the calibre size used in the blueprints for these designs. The actual calibre of these guns is indeed 1mm bigger, which will be reflected in the specifications and descriptions of the guns in the game client. Those guns will be dualpurpose...

g.k already has 128mm dual purpuse guns, does that mean h44 will have the same secondary as g.k?

[YabbaCoe]

Před 2 minutami leonport řekl/a:

g.k already has 128mm dual purpuse guns, does that mean h44 will have the same secondary as g.k?

Well, I don't have exact numbers of number of those guns, but yes, it should be basically same guns used on H44 as it is on GK.

[AngryDragon70]

10 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

As I am exactly 30yo, I would like to know, why I should be banned for life from gaming community? What for?

 

all WG staff i said, not 1 person or you only.

 

after reading all that posts? all that comments on what is good or wrong with this game.

all that suggestions, and this / your company is not doing anything with it?

the disaster functionalties introduced and completely ignored by WG?

 

and you wonder why i say this?

 

[kenny212]

just remove the idea of submarines already, and the super battleships part...we all remember last time they introduced a new game mode with something new...and what happened to these vessels....their being introduced now in fact....submarines....just wait, it's another cash grab and you can bet your /%/# that there will be a russian one aswell.

[AngryDragon70]

14 minutes ago, HawkEyes__ said:

Oho..take it easy. Look at the whole movie, there is coming more news like super battle ships mode..

 

and still a crap MM, crap radar / hydro, crap CV play etc etc?

a malfunctioning radar / hydro fucntionality with the current perma spot CV should not be allowed to introduce other gameplay or whatever until balanced out.

this will make it more worse (if thats possible).

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

Submarines:

Yeah. This sounds... weird. Especially the extremely limited Battery time... 5 minutes on lower tiers... so your Sub is essentially a crappy destroyer the moment there's a CV. And the battery is expended faster when detected...? Why? Should be faster when the ship is actually hit. Or you add the possibility to slowly recharge the Battery while the ship's surfaced through the Diesel, you know, like it actually worked, but add a chance that Batteries are damaged as a module. You know. Like it actually worked. Linearily vanishing subs... needs to be balanced, but sounds good. A new kind of torpedo... again with the gimmicks. Homing torps weren't enough? Let's see what you've cooked up. 

 

Art department carrying as usual, nothing to say there. 

 

Testing them in ranked because you cannot interest enough people in joining the PTS, maybe you should consider giving people slightly better rewards for testing your game for free? Just an idea. Ranked is a toxic shitshow as it is, throwing some nuclear fuel in there will not net you the results you need. You'll be forcing people to playtest subs, and that's going to lead to a lot of frustration. Rather offer good incentives in the PTS phase. I'm not talking thousands of dubloons, but a ducking commemorative flag? Really? Yay. 

 

Also: 

"Adding a new class to the game is a serious step that requires detailed preparation and many testing stages."

 

O ducking rly. To bad that mindset wasn't around when you released CVs. 

 

Super Battleships.

 

Pass. Play many games to get to play one game was a terrible way to do it in Asymetric battles, and it remains terrible now. Grind through what's basically random battles to get to play one game where most likely, you'll be stuck with a bad team and have 0 fun in your trophy game, I'm not going to do that. Best of luck to those who do, and have a lot of fun. 

 

As for 'These are ships that hypothetically could exist if naval doctrine had historically continued the trend of using artillery ships'

 

Isn't that all but one Tier 10 and almost all Tier 9 Battleships already? Except for Missouri, Iowa, Musashi and Yamato, all other planned BBs were scrapped due to the rise of CVs (or nations just giving up on naval warfare, like Germany, or not having a navy to speak off to begin with, like the Soviet Union.) Japan were the only ones to follow through with BB designs, and the result was Yamato, and we all know how that ended... 

 

Adjustment Firing. 

 

This warrents to be reacted to in detail. 

 

"Players will need to plan their actions and positioning in battle in advance, which will make gameplay more interesting and varied"

 

Are you joking? This is, 100%, what the actual gameplay is about. This is the fundamental principle of WoWs. How about you fix the lock-on bugs and entire salvos landing short/going wide, so that proper positioning/mispositioning is rewarded/punished properly? 

 

Attack Aricraft Changes

 

Yeah, art department carrying as usual. Good job. A decent idea as well. It only took 3 years to admit that Surfaceship/CV interaction is effing busted, but hey, at least DDs now get... something. 

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

14 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Well, I don't have exact numbers of number of those guns, but yes, it should be basically same guns used on H44 as it is on GK.

Then why is it presented as a new feature...? You'll also probably want to pick another name than Hannover... most people will associate that with the city, not the famous royal house. 

[kenny212]

i would like for it to be noted also that there is only a few games that have managed to make subs work in their games, one of them being Battlestations from the company Eidos Hungary, maybe you should talk to someone like them and get some help from them....

but in all honesty, considering the inbalance in WoWS already, i would still like for submarines to be removed entirely from any past, current, future plans for WoWS.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 4 minutami AngryDragon70 řekl/a:

 

all WG staff i said, not 1 person or you only.

 

after reading all that posts? all that comments on what is good or wrong with this game.

all that suggestions, and this / your company is not doing anything with it?

the disaster functionalties introduced and completely ignored by WG?

 

and you wonder why i say this?

 

Well, I am taking the blame as 30yo WG Staff representative.

You mean after reading those articles, what is going to appear in the game?

We always collect suggestions and after that deciding what to do with them. Some of those already made it to the game and some most likely will make it to the game later.

We are not ignoring anything and which disaster functionality you have in mind?

 

Před 3 minutami kenny212 řekl/a:

just remove the idea of submarines already, and the super battleships part...we all remember last time they introduced a new game mode with something new...and what happened to these vessels....their being introduced now in fact....submarines....just wait, it's another cash grab and you can bet your /%/# that there will be a russian one aswell.

Which "new game mode with something new" introduced you have in mind?

Well, it is most likely there will be russian submarines, as historicaly Soviet Union had quite a lot of them.

[kenny212]

and yet again you miss the point, i was talking about super battleships when it comes to the russians and new game mode, they never had super battleships, and yes the soviet union had alot of submarines, but most of them were an utter failure aswell, just like most of their navy.

i doubt what i wrote there was so confusing to read.

[Maris_Piper]

Another Cluster of Wargaming Brain Farts, They are Like Nukes Really you see them coming, You know they are going to you over, And you can do Nothing to Stop Them, So Just Enjoy The Carnage 

[kenny212]

[Hanse77SWE]

Subs: NO!!! I guess many will skip ranked just because of that. Many of the "old guard" doesn't want subs and will leave and I doubt new players will make up for it. If WG want it so bad, make a separate game for them. Call it "World of Warships : Cold War" and make CVs and subs the main ships.

[imoenbg1]

8 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Which "new game mode with something new" introduced you have in mind?

Well, it is most likely there will be russian submarines, as historicaly Soviet Union had quite a lot of them.

 

Yea, close to the number of battleships the Soviet Union had...

 

And the most famous cruisers, which are outright ridiculous.

 

Submarines are....probably the worst idea to come from WG. And that says a lot considering the CVs and commander rework.

 

Just give them their goddamn freaking historical speed and let the matter rest.

 

I would looooooove to see their fans with 5 knots cruising underwater speed.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 11 minutami CensorMeDaddyWG řekl/a:

Submarines:

Yeah. This sounds... weird. Especially the extremely limited Battery time... 5 minutes on lower tiers... so your Sub is essentially a crappy destroyer the moment there's a CV. And the battery is expended faster when detected...? Why? Should be faster when the ship is actually hit. Or you add the possibility to slowly recharge the Battery while the ship's surfaced through the Diesel, you know, like it actually worked, but add a chance that Batteries are damaged as a module. You know. Like it actually worked. Linearily vanishing subs... needs to be balanced, but sounds good. A new kind of torpedo... again with the gimmicks. Homing torps weren't enough? Let's see what you've cooked up. 

 

Art department carrying as usual, nothing to say there. 

 

Testing them in ranked because you cannot interest enough people in joining the PTS, maybe you should consider giving people slightly better rewards for testing your game for free? Just an idea. Ranked is a toxic shitshow as it is, throwing some nuclear fuel in there will not net you the results you need. You'll be forcing people to playtest subs, and that's going to lead to a lot of frustration. Rather offer good incentives in the PTS phase. I'm not talking thousands of dubloons, but a ducking commemorative flag? Really? Yay. 

 

Also: 

"Adding a new class to the game is a serious step that requires detailed preparation and many testing stages."

 

O ducking rly. To bad that mindset wasn't around when you released CVs. 

 

Super Battleships.

 

Pass. Play many games to get to play one game was a terrible way to do it in Asymetric battles, and it remains terrible now. Grind through what's basically random battles to get to play one game where most likely, you'll be stuck with a bad team and have 0 fun in your trophy game, I'm not going to do that. Best of luck to those who do, and have a lot of fun. 

 

As for 'These are ships that hypothetically could exist if naval doctrine had historically continued the trend of using artillery ships'

 

Isn't that all but one Tier 10 and almost all Tier 9 Battleships already? Except for Missouri, Iowa, Musashi and Yamato, all other planned BBs were scrapped due to the rise of CVs (or nations just giving up on naval warfare, like Germany, or not having a navy to speak off to begin with, like the Soviet Union.) Japan were the only ones to follow through with BB designs, and the result was Yamato, and we all know how that ended... 

 

Adjustment Firing. 

 

This warrents to be reacted to in detail. 

 

"Players will need to plan their actions and positioning in battle in advance, which will make gameplay more interesting and varied"

 

Are you joking? This is, 100%, what the actual gameplay is about. This is the fundamental principle of WoWs. How about you fix the lock-on bugs and entire salvos landing short/going wide, so that proper positioning/mispositioning is rewarded/punished properly? 

 

Attack Aricraft Changes

 

Yeah, art department carrying as usual. Good job. A decent idea as well. It only took 3 years to admit that Surfaceship/CV interaction is effing busted, but hey, at least DDs now get... something. 

With Subs, some changes needed to be done. Also they will first be tested on special PT server and after that they would be moved to Ranked battles first. But still it can take some time for that PT testing.

 

Regarding Superbattleships, yes, some of current BBs are paper ones, but those are actually following blueprints and plans, basically pushing the development of artilery further.

 

Adjustment firing: Yes, this is what the current gameplay is about, so in this special mode it can be tested to pay more attention to that, as you would be rewarded for playing that right.

 

 

Před 11 minutami CensorMeDaddyWG řekl/a:

Then why is it presented as a new feature...? You'll also probably want to pick another name than Hannover... most people will associate that with the city, not the famous royal house. 

It was mostly the stress on the "universal" wording. And yes, my appologies, I should use the name Hannover...

 

Před 4 minutami kenny212 řekl/a:

and yet again you miss the point, i was talking about super battleships when it comes to the russians and new game mode, they never had super battleships, and yes the soviet union had alot of submarines, but most of them were an utter failure aswell, just like most of their navy.

i doubt what i wrote there was so confusing to read.

So far only Satsuma and Hannover were announced as Superbattleships, there is no mention, that there should be russian superbattleship.

With soviet submarines, not entirely.. they managed to sink some ships and were operating quite a lot. Still most likely one of the three biggest Submarine nation...

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

3 minutes ago, imoenbg1 said:

 

Yea, close to the number of battleships the Soviet Union had...

 

And the most famous cruisers, which are outright ridiculous.

 

Submarines are....probably the worst idea to come from WG. And that says a lot considering the CVs and commander rework.

 

Just give them their goddamn freaking historical speed and let the matter rest.

 

I would looooooove to see their fans with 5 knots cruising underwater speed.

The Soviet Union actually build a fair number of submarines. Most were horrible and only borderline working, but as opposed to the other soviet tech trees at least there's a solid foundation for soviet submarines based somewhat in reality. They built 88 Shchuka-Class, 56 S-Class and 12 K-Class submarines. 

[imoenbg1]

yes they did..... However as you pointed out they were all horrible.

 

Wanna bet how they will be represented in the game??

 

Oh, and lets not forget the Soviets had carriers as well. Wonder when they will be implemented and what kind of nuclear arsenal will they have :)