Błyskawica. 6.8 km concealment Is she the worst ...

[Puffin_]

The most powerful destroyer of her time in Europe. https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Błyskawica

I got Błyskawica from Super container.

I do not understand how this DD is balanced.

6.8 km concealment (terrible) Why?

Where is she supposed to be so strong that she get this concealment to balance it out.

Guns are ok but other DD's at T7 have better guns.

Is this the worst T7 Premium ship?

Is there something special about Błyskawica I do not see?

 

[lameoll]

she was one of the strongest dd's back in the day now she is a bit powercrept afaik  Have not played her in a long time tho 

[MementoMori_6030]

Gets a ship from a SC and complains... 

[ColonelPete]

The guns are still great.

You have more DPM than torpboats and hit better at a distance than many gunboats with better DPM. You have to play with your range to get the most out of a gun-duel with an enemy DD.

The big Alpha is also an advantage for hit and runs.

[piritskenyer]

7 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Gets a ship from a SC and complains... 

 

Just because it's a free ship, criticism might be valid.

 

Błyska used to be better, but she was kind of powercrept. She predates the UK, PA, EU, KM and maybe even USSR DD lines, and she was kind of balanced around being able to OWSF, which is now gone. EDIT: And in recent memory, I can think of like 1 buff she received.

[Hugh_Ruka]

a truly Forgotten Ship ... I have played her a few times after I got her ... with a 6 or 7 point captain ... was not great but she has potential ... just not a DD ...

 

[MementoMori_6030]

Aigle has the same concealment, so what?

[RenamedUser_92906789]

I bought her when she came out.

 

WG advertised her as "can fire from stealth" in the store. Once they removed stealth firing she was left in the dust.

 

After years of complaining wg slightly buffed her, but in the meantime more powerful DDs were released.

 

I still have 60%+ WR in her, but those stats are old. Its how WG balances things... with massive lag (if ever), because they still take those early stats into account...

 

She now is a port queen in my acc... even without a captain (I moved the captain to Halland where now its torp specced).

 

 

[doerhoff_damian]

she has the worst Concealment at Tier 7 together with the Minsk but she does get 7 Guns with a decent Reload.

Other DDs might have better Concealment but less Firepower or they have no smoke like the french or the pan-eu dd line.

Some dds also can´t stealth Torp unlke Blyska.

This might not be the greatest DD at Tier 7 but she performs OK for a Gunboat with usable Torps

[fumtu]

38 minutes ago, piritskenyer said:

She predates the UK, PA, EU, KM and maybe even USSR DD lines, and she was kind of balanced around being able to OWSF, which is now gone.

 

Soviet DDs predate Blyska by two months. Soviet DDs were relased in October 2015 while Blyska arrived on 25th December 2015.

 

38 minutes ago, piritskenyer said:

And in recent memory, I can think of like 1 buff she received.

 

Yup, only one buff, a half second to gun reload and that is all.

[Aragathor]

1 hour ago, Puffin_ said:

I do not understand how this DD is balanced.

Like most older ships she isn't balanced. Global nerfs have hit many premiums over time and WG is not willing to correct it in any way.

They are firmly focused on delivering as many new premiums as possible.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

I bouight her when she came out, becasue of the stealth fire capability. As usual, WG molested my favorite ship 'globally hurrrdurrr', like they did my precious Atlanta. A nerf is a nerf, gl0bally, locally, universally. Whenever you buy premium ships expect them to be nerfed to bits kids.

[ThePurpleSmurf]

27 minutes ago, doerhoff_damian said:

she has the worst Concealment at Tier 7 together with the Minsk but she does get 7 Guns with a decent Reload.

Other DDs might have better Concealment but less Firepower or they have no smoke like the french or the pan-eu dd line.

Some dds also can´t stealth Torp unlke Blyska.

This might not be the greatest DD at Tier 7 but she performs OK for a Gunboat with usable Torps

She has a lot of problems like, horrible handling (huge ship, slow rudder) which makes her an easy target for CVs and fast shells. To use all guns you have to broadside. The gun setup is trash, 3 in the front and 4 in the back. Torps (6) are very slow and don't deal exactly high damage. And worst of all things, extremely slow turret traverse speed (18 seconds) that is worse than some cruisers have up to tier 8 or maybe even 9. This makes it pretty much impossible to maneuver and use the guns, let alone use all guns, because they are almost never on target. The ship had one strength back then and this was stealth firing and this is how she was advertised. After they removed it from the game, her only strong point was gone and what remained are all the downsides. The ship is just not good compared to other ships she meets at her tier.

[piritskenyer]

2 hours ago, fumtu said:

 

Soviet DDs predate Blyska by two months. Soviet DDs were relased in October 2015 while Blyska arrived on 25th December 2015.

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Yep, I wasn't sure, but thanks for setting the record straight.

 

2 hours ago, fumtu said:

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Yup, only one buff, a half second to gun reload and that is all.

 

When I was typing my reply, I was going to say "one serious buff" but then I remembered that it was .5 seconds and I struck the word "serious"...

[cobruh]

22 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Gets a ship from a SC and complains... 

Had to pay for her back in the day...

Same suffering as with the old german DDs: sluggish, easy to hit, and only half the firepower of the new equivalents.

 

Power creep and terrible balancing is the name of the game for WG. They are just greedy and completely out of touch...

They intentionally create bad balance because they know theres always enough people who will gobble up anything for any price, just so they can win and feel good about it.

Never understood how people can be proud of winning a rigged game, but it seems most people are like that.

[Spartan_Renegade]

She was supposedly one of the best hybrid gunboats at her tier, now I don't think there is anything noteworthy about her...at least that's how I felt the last time I took her out for a spin. She's good enough to help you complete operations but I would not trust her in a duel against other DDs....even IJN DDs that are usually marketed as torp boats have better guns tier for tier.  Try the French DD line if you want good guns, they take some time getting used to but they're a lot more fun when you get them to do surgical strikes! 

[ColonelPete]

13 minutes ago, cobruh said:

Same suffering as with the old german DDs: sluggish, easy to hit, and only half the firepower of the new equivalents.

There is no Tier VII DD with double her firepower, not even close.

4 minutes ago, SpartanRenegade said:

Try the French DD line if you want good guns, they take some time getting used to but they're a lot more fun when you get them to do surgical strikes! 

Vauquelin has 1k more Base HE DPM and 2k more Base AP DPM. That is less than 2% difference.

 

[Procrastes]

The Blyskawica is not a bad ship.

 

Her high shell speed and flat shell trajectory can provide an unexpected edge in medium-range gunfights, as at least one French destroyer has learned to its detriment. And her gun placement with 2x2 gun turrets on the aft deck is ideal for a running battle with her kiting away from her opponent - somehing she can do very well, since she's still one of the fastest ships in the game.

 

She's been badly power-crept, especially with the arrival of such ships as the Haida and the Jervis. But I feel she would need only a wee buff to be competitive again - a small concealment buff, perhaps, and a good boost to her AA values. The latter, while perhaps of little real value these days, would be especially fitting in view of her operational history. *

 

She's also one of the best-looking ships in the game, which goes a fairly long way in my book.

 

 

* On the night of 4–5 May 1942, Błyskawica was instrumental in defending the Isle of Wight town of East Cowes from an air raid by 160 German bombers. The ship was undergoing an emergency refit at the J. Samuel White yard where she had been built and, on the night of the raid, fired repeated rounds at the German bombers from outside the harbour; her guns became so hot they had to be doused with water from the River Medina. Extra ammunition had to be ferried over from Portsmouth. This forced the bombers to stay high, making it difficult for them to target properly. The ship also laid down a smokescreen hiding Cowes from sight. The town and the shipyard were badly damaged, but it is generally considered that without this defensive action, it would have been far worse. (Quoted from Wikipedia.)

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

The Blyskawica is not a bad ship.

 

Her high shell speed and flat shell trajectory can provide an unexpoected edge in medium-range gunfights, as at least one French destroyer has learned to its detriment. And her gun placement with 2x2 gun turrets on the aft deck is ideal for a running battle with her kiting away from her opponent - somehing she can do very well, since she's still one of the fastest ships in the game.

 

She's been badly power-crept, especially with the arrival of such ships as the Haida and the Jervis. But I feel she would need only a wee buff to be competitive again - a small concealment buff, perhaps, and a good boost to her AA values. The latter, while perhaps of little real value these days, would be especially fitting in view of her operational history. *

 

She's also one of the best-looking ships in the game, which goes a fairly long way in my book.

 

 

* On the night of 4–5 May 1942, Błyskawica was instrumental in defending the Isle of Wight town of East Cowes from an air raid by 160 German bombers. The ship was undergoing an emergency refit at the J. Samuel White yard where she had been built and, on the night of the raid, fired repeated rounds at the German bombers from outside the harbour; her guns became so hot they had to be doused with water from the River Medina. Extra ammunition had to be ferried over from Portsmouth. This forced the bombers to stay high, making it difficult for them to target properly. The ship also laid down a smokescreen hiding Cowes from sight. The town and the shipyard were badly damaged, but it is generally considered that without this defensive action, it would have been far worse. (Quoted from Wikipedia.)

That was with the 8x102mm setup. She did not have the 120mm guns anymore.

[tocqueville8]

23 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Aigle has the same concealment, so what? 

But the Aigle is one tier lower, so less likely to face DDs with the concealment module.

 

On 5/2/2021 at 7:58 PM, Puffin_ said:

Is this the worst T7 Premium ship?

I dunno, I don't have enough to judge.

She's still my most played DD, mostly because at one point she was my highest tier premium, tied with the Nelson.

 

Imho her concealment isn't the problem, in fact I did okay with her with a 7.5 km concealment, before I understood how CE should be taken on about 90% of the ships in the game.

 

Her gun power, compounded by the good shell arcs, is considerable, but her AA could be better and I reckon they should give her a small heal, since it became so common for newer DDs. Also, the Demolition Expert nerf hurt her a bit.

 

TL;DR she could use a buff or two, but she's a very decent ship.

[johncl]

Like any DD know what and when to fight and when and what to run from

[cobruh]

41 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

There is no Tier VII DD with double her firepower, not even close.

Vauquelin? 15s Reload booster for 60.000 potential HE dmg in 15 seconds.

Compared to your 29k. Just saying

 

Not even taking battle conditions into account like less hp, less guns (so more dps loss per missed shell) etc.

[Procrastes]

34 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That was with the 8x102mm setup. She did not have the 120mm guns anymore.

You don't say? Thanks for letting me know; I had no idea! 

 

What difference would it have made if she'd had the 120 mm guns at East Cowes?

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 17 Minuten, tocqueville8 sagte:

But the Aigle is one tier lower, so less likely to face DDs with the concealment module.

Aigle regularly faces T5 DDs with 5.4km concealment, which is over 20% less.

[cobruh]

On 5/2/2021 at 7:58 PM, Puffin_ said:

Is this the worst T7 Premium ship?

Is there something special about Błyskawica I do not see?

-comes close at least

-no, its just very mediocre and one of the many power-creep victims