[EURO] Lemasive Players 506 posts 12,499 battles Report post #1 Posted May 1, 2021 It would be nice if WG actually tried to make all ships somewhat competitive, but balance is maybe so important because 98% of the players just want to collect new ships and leave them in port? Inb4 some muppet says, that all ships are equally competitive, it just depends on the player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #2 Posted May 1, 2021 But that is exactly what they have been trying to do, with varying degrees of success to be fair, since release.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #3 Posted May 1, 2021 WG balances ships only for randoms... and it doesnt even work properly for that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EURO] Lemasive Players 506 posts 12,499 battles Report post #4 Posted May 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, lafeel said: But that is exactly what they have been trying to do, with varying degrees of success to be fair, since release.. No they don't, it's not about real balance it's about selling your product with new and better things. WG has never tried to balance anything, what they do is offer OP ships/tanks often as prem and when they are so popular everyone can see how OP they are the nerf them to oblivion and then make a new ship/tank they can sell. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #5 Posted May 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lemasive said: WG has never tried to balance anything, what they do is offer OP ships/tanks often as prem and when they are so popular everyone can see how OP they are the nerf them to oblivion and then make a new ship/tank they can sell. So weak ships were never improved and strong ships were never made weaker? Riiight.... Do you really know what is going on in the game or are just here to make "Boom" "Boom"? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EURO] Lemasive Players 506 posts 12,499 battles Report post #6 Posted May 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: So weak ships were never improved and strong ships were never made weaker? Riiight.... Do you really know what is going on in the game or are just here to make "Boom" "Boom"? Here we go This guy thinks all ships are balanced obviously, no line is better or stronger. All ships are constantly competitive. If you don't think so, why even open your mouth? Edit : If you think it's about making ships strong or weak, we can already assume you don't care about balance. A balanced game seeks to make all the components competitive. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,557 battles Report post #7 Posted May 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, Lemasive said: No they don't, it's not about real balance it's about selling your product with new and better things. WG has never tried to balance anything, what they do is offer OP ships/tanks often as prem and when they are so popular everyone can see how OP they are the nerf them to oblivion and then make a new ship/tank they can sell. ... and despite that being obvious, everyone sticks around and keeps buying. Can you blame WG for making money off of all those whales? I'd do the same. This is a game marketed towards rich, old, naval enthousiasts with a gambling habit. They are the biggest cash cows who happen to not give a f*ck about game balance or competetive gameplay. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EURO] Lemasive Players 506 posts 12,499 battles Report post #8 Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said: ... and despite that being obvious, everyone sticks around and keeps buying. Can you blame WG for making money off of all those whales? I'd do the same. This is a game marketed towards rich, old, naval enthousiasts with a gambling habit. They are the biggest cash cows who happen to not give a f*ck about game balance or competetive gameplay. Obviously I can blame them for not having a principle of making a good balanced game, I can only assume that they don't have any pride but just want to cash in. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #9 Posted May 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, Lemasive said: Here we go This guy thinks all ships are balanced obviously, no line is better or stronger. All ships are constantly competitive. I did not write that... I suggest to read what I wrote and not read what you want to imagine... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EURO] Lemasive Players 506 posts 12,499 battles Report post #10 Posted May 1, 2021 1 minute ago, ColonelPete said: I did not write that... I suggest to read what I wrote and not read what you want to imagine... Are all ships competitive, or even close? Yes or no? If no, then never speak again WG-fanboy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ITA] Kr1gsG4ldr Players 194 posts 13,285 battles Report post #11 Posted May 1, 2021 It's always the same, balancing, balancing and balancing...... It reminds all that endless discussions in LOL about champions like Leona, Lux, Janna, Katarina and others that were too op and you could only hope that who was playing them was a noob. After all that discussions nothing changes, or better, was changed the way about how put runes or spells or other bullshits like some nerf to some minor champion that nobody was playing because out of meta just for kidding all the players. Different game, different game publisher, but always the same politic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #12 Posted May 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, Lemasive said: Are all ships competitive, or even close? Yes or no? If no, then never speak again WG-fanboy. If all ships were equal there would be no balance changes... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF] Cyclops_ Players 2,108 posts 36,213 battles Report post #13 Posted May 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, Lemasive said: Are all ships competitive, or even close? Yes or no? If no, then never speak again WG-fanboy. What is with all the personal insults fella?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Redcap375 Players 4,371 posts 15,295 battles Report post #14 Posted May 1, 2021 40 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said: ... and despite that being obvious, everyone sticks around and keeps buying. Can you blame WG for making money off of all those whales? I'd do the same. This is a game marketed towards rich, old, naval enthousiasts with a gambling habit. They are the biggest cash cows who happen to not give a f*ck about game balance or competetive gameplay. This ^^ Come to peace with it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EURO] Lemasive Players 506 posts 12,499 battles Report post #15 Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: If all ships were equal there would be no balance changes... It clearly says COMPETITIVE, are you unaware of what that means? Bad faith actor, as I knew you were from the start. Be gone 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EURO] Lemasive Players 506 posts 12,499 battles Report post #16 Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said: What is with all the personal insults fella?? Yet he started to insult me, and you said nothing. Clear bias and personal corruption. be gone 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #17 Posted May 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Lemasive said: It clearly says COMPETITIVE, are you unaware of what that means? Bad faith actor, as I knew you were from the start. Be gone It is not my problem that you do not understand my posts and interpret them in a way that fits your bias. You are ignoring 5+ years full of balance changes and that WG still changes ships regularly, which would not be necessary if all ships were equal/competitive/balanced (whatever you want to call it). 6 minutes ago, Lemasive said: Yet he started to insult me, and you said nothing. Clear bias and personal corruption. be gone Where did I insult you? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bEtHeNs Players 289 posts Report post #18 Posted May 1, 2021 It is obvious that they constantly work in the balance of the ships, old and new ones, and the new features as they are introduced, which is always an unfinished work per se. Of course, some changes on the ships or the new features do not please everybody, me for example. But I think it is a more fair description of what is going on. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #19 Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, bEtHeNs said: It is obvious that they constantly work in the balance of the ships, old and new ones, and the new features as they are introduced, which is always and unfinished work per se. Of course, some changes on the ships or the new features do not please everybody, me for example. But I think it is a more fare description of what is going on. A never ending juggling act, with live chain saws, comes to mind.. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SodaBubbles Players 1,553 posts 1,028 battles Report post #20 Posted May 1, 2021 They usually do a pretty good job of balancing ships, except for the Russian ones. The real problem is the two tier spread + the restricted T4 MM. Because of that, and the uneven number of players across tiers, T7-8 spend 70-75% of their time uptiered at least one tier, meaning that they are usually inferiors. WG can't balance for the MM, apparently, it would make T7-8 ships too strong on the rare occasions they are actually top tier. T5s are in an even worse position. Luckily the CV plague has caused T5s to be pulled down to T5 and T4 matches more often, probably the only good thing about CVs. What we need is a more informative MM that asks players to switch to different tiers depending on where ships are needed, etc. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #21 Posted May 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, SodaBubbles said: What we need is a more informative MM that asks players to switch to different tiers depending on where ships are needed, etc. Easier said than implemented me thinks.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #22 Posted May 2, 2021 Another player for the colonels top tier troll posts. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,868 posts Report post #23 Posted May 2, 2021 Yeah, good luck making all ships competitive and making them completely overpowered in randoms as a result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RODS] Ronchabale Players 3,002 posts 10,002 battles Report post #24 Posted May 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Lemasive said: It would be nice if WG actually tried to make all ships somewhat competitive, but balance is maybe so important because 98% of the players just want to collect new ships and leave them in port? Inb4 some muppet says, that all ships are equally competitive, it just depends on the player. The ships are far more balanced than the player base.. With the MM being what it is and not taking any notice to player skill it doesn´t really matter how much you balance the ships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ATRA] Srle_Vigilante Weekend Tester 1,233 posts 10,342 battles Report post #25 Posted May 2, 2021 Ah... the 2 sides of the same coin. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
