KM Coal ships, Max or Pommern

[Chief_Bottle_Washer]

I'm a strict FTP player and now have enough coal to go for the pommern or almost enough for the max-immelmann.    I've ground my way up the KM BB line and just reached GK  (my first Tier 10) and the KM CA line to Hipper, I've played to Tier 7 on the euro and jap DDs and multiple other low tier boats, including the Hosho.   With the new version of captain retraining, I can no longer "go cheap" and take 50% skills and train my Captain by playing random games..   I need a freemium ship to make the jump (especially as the "cheap" option needs 200,000 XP to get my captain trained this time)..   that's not a gap, that's an interplanetary distance!

 

So.. Pommern (which strikes be as a worse FDG) or Max-immelmann..   but I'm not a Carrier main.. in fact I've only got 30 odd games on the Hosho (60% win rate..  but it's only Tier 4.. and I was probably lucky)  point is .. I'm just not switched on by Pommern, it's too much like my FDG but with less punch.   so...  "novice" T10 CV or "average" T9 BB?

[ColonelPete]

16 minutes ago, Chief_Bottle_Washer said:

So.. Pommern (which strikes be as a worse FDG) or Max-immelmann..   but I'm not a Carrier main.. in fact I've only got 30 odd games on the Hosho (60% win rate..  but it's only Tier 4.. and I was probably lucky)  point is .. I'm just not switched on by Pommern, it's too much like my FDG but with less punch.   so...  "novice" T10 CV or "average" T9 BB?

That speaks alot against the CV.

 

You could consider getting more of the mid Tier coal ships to have more options for retraining.

[Chief_Bottle_Washer]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

That speaks alot against the CV.

 

You could consider getting more of the mid Tier coal ships to have more options for retraining.

There aren't any mid tier KM ones..   that's the problem

 

[lafeel]

23 minutes ago, Chief_Bottle_Washer said:

I'm a strict FTP player and now have enough coal to go for the pommern or almost enough for the max-immelmann.    I've ground my way up the KM BB line and just reached GK  (my first Tier 10) and the KM CA line to Hipper, I've played to Tier 7 on the euro and jap DDs and multiple other low tier boats, including the Hosho.   With the new version of captain retraining, I can no longer "go cheap" and take 50% skills and train my Captain by playing random games..   I need a freemium ship to make the jump (especially as the "cheap" option needs 200,000 XP to get my captain trained this time)..   that's not a gap, that's an interplanetary distance!

 

So.. Pommern (which strikes be as a worse FDG) or Max-immelmann..   but I'm not a Carrier main.. in fact I've only got 30 odd games on the Hosho (60% win rate..  but it's only Tier 4.. and I was probably lucky)  point is .. I'm just not switched on by Pommern, it's too much like my FDG but with less punch.   so...  "novice" T10 CV or "average" T9 BB?

Pomm, no question. Don't ask, just do it, you'll thank me later.

[leonport]

24 minutes ago, Chief_Bottle_Washer said:

I'm a strict FTP player and now have enough coal to go for the pommern or almost enough for the max-immelmann.    I've ground my way up the KM BB line and just reached GK  (my first Tier 10) and the KM CA line to Hipper, I've played to Tier 7 on the euro and jap DDs and multiple other low tier boats, including the Hosho.   With the new version of captain retraining, I can no longer "go cheap" and take 50% skills and train my Captain by playing random games..   I need a freemium ship to make the jump (especially as the "cheap" option needs 200,000 XP to get my captain trained this time)..   that's not a gap, that's an interplanetary distance!

 

So.. Pommern (which strikes be as a worse FDG) or Max-immelmann..   but I'm not a Carrier main.. in fact I've only got 30 odd games on the Hosho (60% win rate..  but it's only Tier 4.. and I was probably lucky)  point is .. I'm just not switched on by Pommern, it's too much like my FDG but with less punch.   so...  "novice" T10 CV or "average" T9 BB?

the answer is pommern but i hardly recommend it because its a bad ship that got its core driving thing which was secondaries nerfed 

 

And if you aren'T a very good cv player do not even consider buying max immelman, its a cv with a lot of weaknesses and hard to use strenghs, for your sake don't buy it unless you already decent with cvs, you just gonna suffer in it

[DFens_666]

52 minutes ago, Chief_Bottle_Washer said:

Pommern (which strikes be as a worse FDG)

 

Pommern is better than FDG imo.

Pommern is ok in randoms (there are stronger BBs, but almost none of them are available anymore), strong in ranked, and an absolute beast in smaller modes like 3x3 brawls (if WG decides to make another T9 brawl, but we had a few of those, so i think chances are good that we will get one at some point).

Basicly, the smaller the teams are, the better Pommern becomes. In case you are using secondaries: Just take Aiming system mod in 3rd slot instead of secondary battery...the extra secondary range is not worth the worse dispersion for your mainguns.

[Imsali]

4 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Pommern is better than FDG imo.

Pommern is ok in randoms (there are stronger BBs, but almost none of them are available anymore), strong in ranked, and an absolute beast in smaller modes like 3x3 brawls (if WG decides to make another T9 brawl, but we had a few of those, so i think chances are good that we will get one at some point).

Basicly, the smaller the teams are, the better Pommern becomes. In case you are using secondaries: Just take Aiming system mod in 3rd slot instead of secondary battery...the extra secondary range is not worth the worse dispersion for your mainguns.

 

Compared to the Georgia, it certainly feels lacking im value. In small team situation, I feel like it is easy to control engagements (especially with said Georgia) against Pommern, easy to angle against it and simply avoid allowing them for drive-by.

 

[Wulf_Ace]

1 hour ago, Chief_Bottle_Washer said:

I'm a strict FTP player and now have enough coal to go for the pommern or almost enough for the max-immelmann.    I've ground my way up the KM BB line and just reached GK  (my first Tier 10) and the KM CA line to Hipper, I've played to Tier 7 on the euro and jap DDs and multiple other low tier boats, including the Hosho.   With the new version of captain retraining, I can no longer "go cheap" and take 50% skills and train my Captain by playing random games..   I need a freemium ship to make the jump (especially as the "cheap" option needs 200,000 XP to get my captain trained this time)..   that's not a gap, that's an interplanetary distance!

 

So.. Pommern (which strikes be as a worse FDG) or Max-immelmann..   but I'm not a Carrier main.. in fact I've only got 30 odd games on the Hosho (60% win rate..  but it's only Tier 4.. and I was probably lucky)  point is .. I'm just not switched on by Pommern, it's too much like my FDG but with less punch.   so...  "novice" T10 CV or "average" T9 BB?

what does it mean "strickt" ftp player?

you dont want premium account?

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, Wulf_Ace said:

what does it mean "strickt" ftp player?

you dont want premium account?

 That's what you get out of his question?

 

He probably means he's FREE TO PLAY emphases on free. Which means he'll eat any free premium time thrown his way happy as a bunny eats a carrot, but he won't pay for it I imagine.

 

I don't have Pommern nor Max Immelmann, so I can only point out that carriers are boring to play and BB's with torps are funny as hell :D

 

[lafeel]

1 hour ago, Europizza said:

I don't have Pommern nor Max Immelmann, so I can only point out that carriers are boring to play and BB's with torps are funny as hell :D

 

Considerably less funny, or at least funny in a different way, when you forget a BB has torps and are the one getting torped, though, must be said.

[MementoMori_6030]

Any alternative to a CV is the better choice.

[Miscommunication_dept]

I really enjoy my Immelmann but it's a hard ship to learn even though I have played a fair few carrier battles.

Good CV players do very well in it and it is effective once you learn to use those bombs against destroyers and learn how to stay out of AA while doing so.

Also, it might be the best CV sniper. Of course, that tactic is rarely a good move.

 

Pommern is a strong secondary battleship, i've only played mine a couple of times since the commander rework. 

Secondaries are unfortunately no longer worth speccing in so I'm really not sure I could recommend this ship either.

 

My recommendation would be to wait for the next coal ship. I would only recommend Max Immelmann to a CV player and only Marceau (great fun) apart from that.

[BLUB__BLUB]

I play ~30% CV, 30% BB and 30% cruiser... not sure about Immelmann. 

But for last CB, which was T9, I got myself a Pommern. 

Best ever BB. Kicks any other T9. Really enjoyed it, and it is also great in randoms. 

[Animalul2012]

None! Max if you are into CV sure but if not then pass. Pommern is straight up garbage,crap handling,detection,guns and wonky armor.Why get it? For the annoying secondaries that play the game for you? Well then go for it you will have fun once something with HE dpm starts looking at you.

[Wulf_Ace]

9 hours ago, Europizza said:

 That's what you get out of his question?

 

He probably means he's FREE TO PLAY emphases on free. Which means he'll eat any free premium time thrown his way happy as a bunny eats a carrot, but he won't pay for it I imagine.

 

I don't have Pommern nor Max Immelmann, so I can only point out that carriers are boring to play and BB's with torps are funny as hell :D

 

Did you read his question? he basically answer to his own question through post. He doesnt know how to play CVs and he doesnt like them, and max Immelmann is a bit harder to play then other CVs. He then says he likes BBs, and compare a FDG with pommern?? Just beacouse they are tier 9, dont see any minute of his time on researching his question before coming here. 

When you are not sure what to buy, first look at stats in the game, then look couple of videos and THEN if you cant decide you come and ask. So yeah that the only thing that interest me in his post.

[DFens_666]

7 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

Pommern is straight up garbage,crap handling,detection,guns and wonky armor.Why get it? For the annoying secondaries that play the game for you? Well then go for it you will have fun once something with HE dpm starts looking at you.

 

Do you even have Pommern or are you just saying that because you think thats the way it is?

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

14 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said:

So yeah that the only thing that interest me in his post.

Then my post must have been highly informative to you. You're welcome.  

[Ronchabale]

13 hours ago, Chief_Bottle_Washer said:

. I'm just not switched on by Pommern, it's too much like my FDG but with less punch.   so...  "novice" T10 CV or "average" T9 BB?

Playing a CV (or any other ship as a novice) at tier 10 is a real stupid idea, I seriously hope you dont end up on my team..

 

You already have the GK and FDG, Pommern lacks a bit of "Punch" yeah.. but if if used correctly it can do a lot of damage, it also has torps which can be decisive in brawls, tier 9 matchmaking and premium (credit) advantages are nice too.

Playing GK and being on the losing team (which happens) is a good way to lose credits if you dont have much of a "good" game

I´d say Pommern with its premium "credit advantage perma camo" but thats me and I don´t enjoy playing  CV:s at all for that matter

 

Then again there is the option using the coal to get a "Gunther Lutjens"  special captain for your GK (or FDG) which is a nice power boost

[Bearwall]

13 hours ago, Chief_Bottle_Washer said:

I'm a strict FTP player and now have enough coal to go for the pommern or almost enough for the max-immelmann.    I've ground my way up the KM BB line and just reached GK  (my first Tier 10) and the KM CA line to Hipper, I've played to Tier 7 on the euro and jap DDs and multiple other low tier boats, including the Hosho.   With the new version of captain retraining, I can no longer "go cheap" and take 50% skills and train my Captain by playing random games..   I need a freemium ship to make the jump (especially as the "cheap" option needs 200,000 XP to get my captain trained this time)..   that's not a gap, that's an interplanetary distance!

 

So.. Pommern (which strikes be as a worse FDG) or Max-immelmann..   but I'm not a Carrier main.. in fact I've only got 30 odd games on the Hosho (60% win rate..  but it's only Tier 4.. and I was probably lucky)  point is .. I'm just not switched on by Pommern, it's too much like my FDG but with less punch.   so...  "novice" T10 CV or "average" T9 BB?

Whenever u can pick the most OP class in the game - pick the OP class in the game.. Who cares that everyone else thinks you're a giant jackass? - go for the CV.

[Wulf_Ace]

34 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Then my post must have been highly informative to you. You're welcome.  

yes and no, I am still puzzled by that Strict word.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

1 hour ago, Wulf_Ace said:

yes and no, I am still puzzled by that Strict word.

I am the same. It means I have not paid one cent for the game, ever. Not premium account, no ships, no flags, no doubloons. Free 100% Hence, strictly f2p :)

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

3 hours ago, Bearwall said:

Whenever u can pick the most OP class in the game - pick the OP class in the game.. Who cares that everyone else thinks you're a giant jackass? - go for the CV.

Well if you pick the most OP class in the game, know you will be matched with another of that class on the enemy team.

If you cannot play CV well, you will be a burden to your team and have a terrible win rate.

 

[Animalul2012]

7 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Do you even have Pommern or are you just saying that because you think thats the way it is?

That is the way it is! A damage pinata!

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

That is the way it is! A damage pinata!

 

Nah, i disagree...

[Chief_Bottle_Washer]

Well I'm pleased this has kicked off a discussion rather than a flame war.   The sensible decision is "go for pommern"..     Having accidentally had a TX match (with no capt points... eek!) and seen just what my GK can do at close quarters, but was suprised at the degree of potatoing at Tier 10..  I'm thinking "to hell with it".. and just paying 500dubs to retrain the captain. I have 1600dubs I've accrued for free, that gives me a short term fix, then deciding if I'm going to grind a different line, appreciate I could do with a perma camo, but that's a different problem.