musashi crap unplayable turret traverse again?

[a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s]

i just got back in the game after an eight-month break and i found this [edited]:  10s more for 180˚ turn time! old yamamoto expert marksman was nerf with retarded garbage commander rework or wtf? before that crap update my musashi with yamamoto have 56.7 now is [edited]66.2!  yamato before commander rework: 49.9s 180˚ turn time (yamamoto without legendary module). now is 55.2. so, wtf  happened?

 

 

 

 

[HystericalAccuracy]

1 hour ago, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s said:

10s more for 180˚ turn time! old yamamoto expert marksman

Yes, that is how it is now. No, no one knows why. Ask WG, but they won´t answer.

 

The old EM had °/s which helped slow turrets more than the fast ones and was more logical - so it had to go, naturally. But we got a pile of dumb stuff captains rework which no one everyone was asking for 

[a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s]

 

what a [edited]. rip musashi. i'm not going back to garbage 70s turret traverse. thx a lot wg! you are so great

[ColonelPete]

Yes, she is so weak...

Spoiler

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20210424/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

 

[HystericalAccuracy]

1 hour ago, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s said:

i'm not going back to garbage 70s turret traverse. thx a lot wg! you are so great

haha you think that is bad? How about losing 20% of the gun-range on several premium ships, some which were bought for cash?

Flint

Krasny Krim

Emden

prolly more, who cares, it´s just cruisers

[Bear__Necessities]

Yeah, She's a REAL struggle theses days......

 

[BlackYeti]

While I agree the new turret traverse is a pain, Musashi is still the best t9 BB, hands down.

[a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s]

guys, it's not about power, damage, wr bla bla bla, i dont give a [edited]. is about (for me) 70s  it's not fun at all. i  played a lot with trash turret yamato/musashi and  i don't want to go back of this s**t. i just want to thank wg for great improve game and i will be back to play again in 10 years

 

[Bear__Necessities]

8 minutes ago, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s said:

guys, it's not about power, damage, wr bla bla bla, i dont give a [edited]. is about (for me) 70s  it's not fun at all. i  played a lot with trash turret yamato/musashi and  i don't want to go back

 

You said it's unplayable. We've simply and easily shown you it is. Not our problem you didn't like the answer. 

[a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s]

FOR ME (im to bored of this [edited] game anyway) is unplayable.

 

i returned in wows after long break, i wanted to play some game without broken retarded cvs, ranked t9 with eventually t8 cv looks acceptable, but when i saw that mess eternity turret traverse... no thx, wg, no more [edited] for me

 

[Procrastes]

On 4/28/2021 at 9:11 PM, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s said:

guys, it's not about power, damage, wr bla bla bla, i dont give a [edited]. is about (for me) 70s  it's not fun at all. i  played a lot with trash turret yamato/musashi and  i don't want to go back. i just want to thank wg for great improve game and

I can see why 70 seconds of door-to-door turret traverse would be a bit of a drag.

 

As Captain VladoCro mentioned in post #2 above, Wargaming has changed most or even all skill based buffs of this kind from giving straight bonuses to giving relative ones. This basically means that skills such as Expert Marksman now give considerably smaller buffs to ships that are weak in the relevant area (and thus in more need of a buff), and stronger buffs to ships that are already strong in that area (and thus in less need of a buff). Why Wargaming thought this to be a good idea remains a mystery, or if anyone out there knows about it they didn't tell me.

 

If you want to let Wargaming know your thoughts and feelings about this, by all means go right ahead. You are sure to find a lot of sympathy on this forum if you make a civil pitch for an overhaul of the reworked skill system in this regard, although perhaps less so if you try to pitch the idea that the Musashi herself is in need of a buff. She's still one of the strongest ships in the game.

 

Best of luck!

[HystericalAccuracy]

1 hour ago, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s said:

guys, it's not about power, damage, wr bla bla bla, i dont give a [edited]. is about (for me) 70s  it's not fun at all.

Now that I think about it... When I bought Warspite she had 90 seconds turret traverse. Now that was a pain...

 

And @Procrastes worded it better than me, thanks 

[Procrastes]

5 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

Now that I think about it... When I bought Warspite she had 90 seconds turret traverse. Now that was a pain...

So it was. With her comparatively tight turning radius, it was basically faster to just turn the whole Grand Old Lady around than to rotate her turrets...!

[Cirno9999]

you can always sell it for creds xD

[a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s]

@Procrastes: i expect nothing from wg, nothing good. so, i will not waste my time with them. and i did not ask for musashi buff, i just didn't know what was with this stupid nerf.

 

@VIadoCro: ya, but warspite  is british. just try kemlin turret traverse! :P

 

 

 

 

[Odo_Toothless]

Mounted Main battery Mod 2 + Yamamoto = 57,6s. +7% accuracy is lost, but at least you can react to changing battle situation.

[a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s]

or just play kremlin! :D

[Hades_warrior]

Yea lets make musashi more noob friendly in Ranked so they can even easier delete cruisers 

Yamato as far as I know is unchanged. In fact my Yamato turret traverse is faster than ever.

[lafeel]

Hate to break it to you @a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s but Musashi was not changed, it's the skill itself that was changed.

[Odo_Toothless]

7 minutes ago, Hades_warrior said:

Yea lets make musashi more noob friendly in Ranked so they can even easier delete cruisers 

Problem with turret traverse after rework hitted hard many DD too, so ex. former OP Gremy is unplayable to me. The same is Fushun, Anshan etc. (they can't do any manuveurs when firing guns), so the problem is far beyond this BB.

[lafeel]

Just now, Odo_Toothless said:

Problem with turret traverse after rework hitted hard many DD too, so ex. former OP Gremy is unplayable to me. The same is Fushun, Anshan etc, so the problem is far beyond this BB.

It makes sense though that the faster your turret traverse, the more the skill affects it. The old skill, a flat bonus, made considerably less sense.

[Odo_Toothless]

11 minutes ago, lafeel said:

It makes sense though that the faster your turret traverse, the more the skill affects it. The old skill, a flat bonus, made considerably less sense.

Maybe it makes sense but from game perspective, but reality is the ships which had very fast turret traverse (most recent ones) and really don't need this perk can have now even faster turret traverse and some old ones with long one was hard nerfed.

 

If WG made an adjustement to those ships at once, there will be any hassle about that, but as we see it is not the case. Is ex. Anshan OP ship - of course not, so why I have port queen in port now? Post queen bought long ago in premium shop for cash.

[a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s]

2 hours ago, Hades_warrior said:

Yea lets make musashi more noob friendly in Ranked so they can even easier delete cruisers 

Yamato as far as I know is unchanged. In fact my Yamato turret traverse is faster than ever.

 

i wanted to try alaska, but not so many cruisers to delete in ranked anyway. some 60bbs and 10 cruisers (im not a only bb player, i play cruisers and dds as well)

 

my yamato lose 5s turret speed (my old yamato build was 49,9 -without use main battery mod 2 - , actual yamato same build have 55,2s)

 

 

2 hours ago, lafeel said:

Hate to break it to you @a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s but Musashi was not changed, it's the skill itself that was changed.

 

i asked that in first post, you didn't break anything

 

 

4 hours ago, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s said:

i just got back in the game after an eight-month break and i found this [edited]:  10s more for 180˚ turn time! old yamamoto expert marksman was nerf with retarded garbage commander rework or wtf? before that crap update my musashi with yamamoto have 56.7 now is [edited]66.2!  yamato before commander rework: 49.9s 180˚ turn time (yamamoto without legendary module). now is 55.2. so, wtf  happened?

 

 

 

 

[Trench4nt]

Okay, let me highligt the important stuff:

Vor 3 Stunden, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s sagte:

i just got back in the game after an eight-month break and i found this [edited]:  10s more for 180˚ turn time! old yamamoto expert marksman was nerf with retarded garbage commander rework or wtf? before that crap update my musashi with yamamoto have 56.7 now is [edited]66.2! 

Vor 3 Stunden, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s sagte:

 

what a [edited]. rip musashi. i'm not going back to garbage 70s turret traverse. thx a lot wg! you are so great

Vor 2 Stunden, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s sagte:

guys, it's not about power, damage, wr bla bla bla, i dont give a [edited]. is about (for me) 70s  it's not fun at all. i  played a lot with trash turret yamato/musashi and  i don't want to go back of this s**t. i just want to thank wg for great improve game and i will be back to play again in 10 years

Vor 2 Stunden, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s sagte:

FOR ME (im to bored of this [edited] game anyway) is unplayable.

i returned in wows after long break, i wanted to play some game without broken retarded cvs, ranked t9 with eventually t8 cv looks acceptable, but when i saw that mess eternity turret traverse... no thx, wg, no more [edited] for me

Vor 2 Stunden, a_p_u_l_e_i_u_s sagte:

@Procrastes: i expect nothing from wg, nothing good. so, i will not waste my time with them. and i did not ask for musashi buff, i just didn't know what was with this stupid nerf.

 

Maybe you should practice a bit more tolerance in life? 

[HystericalAccuracy]

3 hours ago, Procrastes said:

it was basically faster to just turn the whole Grand Old Lady around than to rotate her turrets...!

which I learned fast and do this till this very day with every ship I play, even in DDs... some traditions need to be cultivated