Wow wg after you killed siegfried you basically want to make a SECONDARY CRUISER IN TIER X?

[leonport]

 

so these secondaries will have better accuracy than gz and more sap dpm than OHIO's he dpm(meanwhile siegfried crying in the corner)

 

This ship is the first in the line of the "Secondary powercreep" that is comming

 

This cruiser with its current stats will have the best secondary in the game and secondary bbs can't even dream of beating it even if they fully build into secondaries

its sap dpm currently is 192 500 for its 152mm and 225 000 for its 90mm and 90mm secondaries have 26mm pen and 152mm have 42mm pen just in comparison to the "secondary ships"

 

shikishima 418 000 

Ohio 308 571

grober kurfurst 279 400

Alsace:435 000

graf zeppelin:366 704

 

NAPOLI:417 500

wow this thing has more dpm than gz and similar pen while having better accuracy, who would have thought the time comes when gz secondary will be only 2nd best secondary in the game and remember gz secondary is so good that people make meme divs where dds smoke up the gz and let its secondaries destroy the enemy NOW napoli is a super cruiser with great concelament high survivability and a build in smoke this "SECONDARY" is basically a second main armament at close range that you don't even have to press alt+lef mouse button to kill DDS at their range good game mechanic right?

 

You destroyed secondary builds with captain rework and now you are trying to make ships that have so good base secondary values they do not even need to build into secondaries to have better secondaries than the ships that fully build into secondaries and were originally marketed as GOOD Secondary ships

 

 

THE MEMES THAT WERE SAYING WG WILL RELEASE NEW SHIPS WITH GZ SECONDARY ACCURACY IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING LOL

 

discousting wargaming ,FIX SECONDARIES!

 

[Gwynbleidd11]

Another whinny thread about secondaries by leonport? 

[159Hunter]

1 minute ago, Gwynbleidd11 said:

Another whinny thread about secondaries by leonport? 

Another useless comment by a CV apologist

[hellhound666]

7 minutes ago, leonport said:

 

so these secondaries will have better accuracy than gz and more sap dpm than OHIO's he dpm(meanwhile siegfried crying in the corner)

 

This ship is the first in the line of the "Secondary powercreep" that is comming

 

This cruiser with its current stats will have the best secondary in the game and secondary bbs can't even dream of beating it even if they fully build into secondaries

 

You destroyed secondary builds with captain rework and now you are trying to make ships that have so good base secondary values they do not even need to build into secondaries to have better secondaries than the ships that fully build into secondaries and were originally marketed as GOOD Secondary ships

 

 

 

discousting wargaming ,FIX SECONDARIES!

 

the reason why siegfried was fcked ... to sell napoli 

[leonport]

5 minutes ago, Gwynbleidd11 said:

Another whinny thread about secondaries by leonport? 

pointing out how dumb wg is recently is considered "whinning"?

[hellhound666]

1 minute ago, leonport said:

pointing out how dumb wg is recently is considered "whinning"?

this recently have lasted since the research bureau or whatever it was called in the beginning ...

[Aragathor]

7 minutes ago, hellhound666 said:

the reason why siegfried was fcked ... to sell napoli 

Create a problem, sell the solution, screw over customers. The WG way.

[leonport]

Just now, Aragathor said:

Create a problem, sell the solution, screw over customers. The WG way.

i guess secondaries will be balanced 1 year after napoli gets released so that people who want working secondaries will have to grind for it discousting wg

[Procrastes]

13 minutes ago, leonport said:

pointing out how dumb wg is recently is considered "whinning"?

I'm no expert on equestrian matters, but isn't "whinny" a sound occasionally emitted by horses in order to convey information? 

 

Joking aside, if the Napoli is supposed to be a premium ship, this would seem to support the theories put forth elsewhere on this forum that Wargaming has chosen to not give sliver line Italian battlership SAP secondaries in order to boost the sale of premium ships that are equipped with SAP secondaries. Or do I get this wrong?

 

How big a difference having SAP secondaries will actually mean is something I guess we are about to find out. Let's just hope it won't mean that all non-SAP secondary built ships will get shafted, right...?

[Profilus]

24 minutes ago, hellhound666 said:

the reason why siegfried was fcked ... to sell napoli 

Then nerf Napoli and sell new ship. Profit. And people will fall for it for sure.

[Animalul2012]

It is a garbage ship anyway that will do nothing against BB and just annoy some cruisers and DD with it SAP secondaries. It has armor? what good at when your guns are garbage?

[MementoMori_6030]

Can I get my 2ndary Gorizia back, pls? New cruiser skills, maybe? 

[leonport]

4 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

It is a garbage ship anyway that will do nothing against BB and just annoy some cruisers and DD with it SAP secondaries. It has armor? what good at when your guns are garbage?

man gz secondary can kill bbs and this thing has better secondaries than gz with smoke generator and a main gun, this thing will melt anything in secondary range

[YILDIRIM39]

25 dakika önce, Aragathor dedi:

Bir problem yarat, çözümü sat, müşterileri alt et. WG yöntemi.

You are quite right

[Animalul2012]

9 minutes ago, leonport said:

man gz secondary can kill bbs and this thing has better secondaries than gz with smoke generator and a main gun, this thing will melt anything in secondary range

Yeah im very sure that those SAP secondaries will do damage against a Yamato,GK,kremlin,stalin,moskva,petro,des moines thing that are covered in 27-50 mm of armor yeah...ricochets and shatters everywhere.

[MementoMori_6030]

As a sidenote, it was not WG who killed Siegfried. It was Hagen von Tronje. 

[leonport]

Just now, Animalul2012 said:

Yeah im very sure that those SAP secondaries will do damage against a Yamato,GK,kremlin,stalin,moskva,petro,des moines thing that are covered in 27-50 mm of armor yeah...ricochets and shatters everywhere.

you don't fight them, unlike normal secondary ships this ship has smoke concelament and mobility to avoid these ships 

also des moines is a bad example because des moines will actually melt under these secondaries because the 150mm secondaries in this ship has 42mm pen 

anything besides like russian super cruisers and heavily armored bbs will suffer a lot from napoli secondary fire

[Cippalippus]

49 minutes ago, Gwynbleidd11 said:

Another whinny thread about secondaries by leonport? 

*checks stats* hmm, nice opinion bro

[Procrastes]

10 minutes ago, leonport said:

anything besides like russian super cruisers and heavily armored bbs will suffer a lot from napoli secondary fire

Are you implying that WG is about to release a ship that will be strong against most targets other than Russian ones...?

'Faith, sirrah - I am sure they would do no such thing...!

[bEtHeNs]

This is a bipolar behaviour with the secondaries design. We have gone down, now we go up. 

This ship will be retired due to popularity and performance aswell as Kidd will be in some time from now.

[Prophecy82]

IIRC Napoli has also armor that doesnt get overmatched by 45x mm Guns....

As a freak-ship that it is, it would fit perfectly into RB. 

 

While I agree with the OP (since I got Sigfried for the memes), Sigfried is still a strong ship and a Monster if hightier. Still, I do miss the memes.

[Procrastes]

For the record, I still retain my full secondary builds for all my German battleships as well as for the Massachusetts and the Georgia. I will not let them go quietly into the night. The arrival of a new top tier meme-darling won't change that, especially if it is labeled with the new "nerfable/mayfly" tag.

[leonport]

2 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

For the record, I still retain my full secondary builds for all my German battleships as well as for the Massachusetts and the Georgia. I will not let them go quietly into the night. The arrival of a new top tier meme-darling won't change that, especially if it is labeled with the new "nerfable/mayfly" tag.

if wg release this before siegfried and other secondaries that were totally usable before the rework gets re-buffed im uninstalling

[DFens_666]

36 minutes ago, leonport said:

also des moines is a bad example because des moines will actually melt under these secondaries because the 150mm secondaries in this ship has 42mm pen 

 

Its still SAP not HE, so angle matters even if it would have 200mm pen. Bismarck guns have up to 750mm pen and they always bounce on a DM bow...

And if my math is correct, the 90mm secondary guns will have 25 or 26mm penetration, so they basicly shatter on everything which isnt a DD or one of those lighter CLs like Mino and Smolensk. With improved dispersion, chances of hitting the superstructure also becomes smaller, which means more shatters for the smaller guns.

Interesting would also be the angles from the secondaries, if you have to show broadside to use em, especially the larger ones, then having good armor doesnt matter too much because you will get citadelled.

 

3 minutes ago, leonport said:

if wg release this before siegfried and other secondaries that were totally usable before the rework gets re-buffed im uninstalling

 

Well, havent you learned anything from WG? Nerf something, release something new to fix the issue = profit. Only it has becomes worse nowadays.

[Procrastes]

8 minutes ago, leonport said:

if wg release this before siegfried and other secondaries that were totally usable before the rework gets re-buffed im uninstalling

You will hardly be the only one. Still, my advice would be to wait and see what the actual impact on the game will be. 

 

Whatever else they may do, SAP secondaries won't start any fires - and that's a pretty big part of the damage output of most secondaries.